Mikey Douglas was outstanding at point, especially his last 2 years, and replacing him has been difficult. I do believe he would have worked wonderfully with this current group of Broncos. I like Klein but he is young. I've never seen Richie in that role, except as possible backup point guard.
Looking at the roster there is really no one except those two to fill the roll. Since Jarods natural position is point, I would leave him there, start him, and if he struggles too much on occasion bring in AR to spell him.

Too much focus on the pg, it's an easy one to slip into, like blaming the qb when a pic is thrown, it's not always that simple.

Ohhhhh no, here come the guys with the stats......

(12-31-2012 03:21 PM)EA3 Wrote:  3. I really think Richie is at PG only because Klein isn't quite ready. He isn't a true PG. 6 turnovers in 28 mins is a rough outing. He had some unforced errors that concern me. NC state was not pressuring us very much on D.

I believe Hawk likes AR at this spot. He is good with the ball in his hands. He isnt afraid to make a mistake therefore he is a playmaker.
Like Klien he is just an above average athlete, there is is achilles heel.

The problem is at this moment Hawk wants the O run through and through. Fine. But in every game where they play against better athletes those athletes deny or misdirect ball movement.

I hope that the PG role moves from custodial to entreprenural.

I dont think for a moment that either AR or JK are selfish, but I would turn them and others loose when it comes to taking what the D gives them. In fact, I have seen JK on a couple occassions see the opening and get inside off the bounce. All good.

Now the D wing has to account to help on the drive and not just deny the wing. If continues to deny our PG runs it to the rack. If he slides over to help the wing steps in or fades to the corner to catch the incoming assist.

I would like the same green light for Perry and Tava. Nate, maybe. He still runs through red and yellow lights too often.

(12-31-2012 03:40 PM)Broncoboogie Wrote:  Mikey Douglas was outstanding at point, especially his last 2 years, and replacing him has been difficult.

IMO - Douglas ran Coach Hawkins chosen half court offense well, unfortunately he consistently brought the ball slowly down court. He rarely threw an outlet pass to any open team mates across midcourt which made the Broncos much easier to defend.

Different set. With this MD would have ruled and as gbl said, very entreprenural. Kind of SMART like.

(12-31-2012 04:19 PM)gobaseline Wrote:  [quote='EA3' pid='8766774' dateline='1356985270']

3. I really think Richie is at PG only because Klein isn't quite ready. He isn't a true PG. 6 turnovers in 28 mins is a rough outing. He had some unforced errors that concern me. NC state was not pressuring us very much on D.

Quote:I believe Hawk likes AR at this spot. He is good with the ball in his hands. He isnt afraid to make a mistake therefore he is a playmaker.
Like Klien he is just an above average athlete, there is is achilles heel.

Klein is a far superior athlete. Three year starting QB on a pretty good football team. One thing I see in Klein is that he attacks rather than retreats. When a defender steps out on him he goes by him. Richie occasionally does, but in most cases he retreats with the ball and tries to reset the offense.

Quote:I hope that the PG role moves from custodial to entreprenural.

I agree. Hopefully players will stop looking over their shoulder and play with a little less fear of being yanked.

Quote:I dont think for a moment that either AR or JK are selfish, but I would turn them and others loose when it comes to taking what the D gives them. In fact, I have seen JK on a couple occassions see the opening and get inside off the bounce. All good.

Yes sir

Quote:I would like the same green light for Perry and Tava. Nate, maybe. He still runs through red and yellow lights too often.

As someone earlier said, Tava plays a little too slow and too low.

(12-31-2012 05:01 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  [quote='gobaseline' pid='8767384' dateline='1356988793']
[quote='EA3' pid='8766774' dateline='1356985270']

Quote:I believe Hawk likes AR at this spot. He is good with the ball in his hands. He isnt afraid to make a mistake therefore he is a playmaker.
Like Klien he is just an above average athlete, there is his achilles heel.

Klein is a far superior athlete. Three year starting QB on a pretty good football team. One thing I see in Klein is that he attacks rather than retreats. When a defender steps out on him he goes by him. Richie occasionally does, but in most cases he retreats with the ball and tries to reset the offense.

Quote:I would like the same green light for Perry and Tava. Nate, maybe. He still runs through red and yellow lights too often.

As someone earlier said, Tava plays a little too slow and too low.

Jared is a slightly better athlete, not far superior. Richie is the better offensive player, IMO.
But I like both. They can be on the floor the same time. I see issue. JK less the scorer but capable and AR less the distributor (mindset) but very capable.

Connar's skill level offset's his lack of speed and hops. Smart and skilled. Yes, I'd like him to have Hutch's gate and hops but not gonna happen. Connar's IQ and skill are more than an offset on O. The issue is on D. Caught between positions.

(12-31-2012 04:34 PM)okgc Wrote:  

(12-31-2012 03:40 PM)Broncoboogie Wrote:  Mikey Douglas was outstanding at point, especially his last 2 years, and replacing him has been difficult.

IMO - Douglas ran Coach Hawkins chosen half court offense well, unfortunately he consistently brought the ball slowly down court. He rarely threw an outlet pass to any open team mates across midcourt which made the Broncos much easier to defend.

MD pushed the heck out of the ball. Either by dribble or pass. The problem was that too often those on the receiving end would shoot and miss or turn it over before he could get it back.

Not sure if some of you watch the same game as me. But I see Richie as our best PG option. Yes he had 6 turnovers yesterday, but I recall 3 of those where the receiver didn't meet the pass. I believe this is his first game with more than 2 turnovers. It happens.

Paul is the only freshman that plays withouth the "deer in headlights" look.

The real reasons that we don't beat the good teams is because of shot selection and playing guys too many minutes. Its ok to tell Paul, Whittington and Hutch that a bad shot is a bad shot. Quit playing Pokely 35 minutes a game, he is extremely limited. Quit playing Perry, Klein and Tava extended minutes. None of them are ready for extended minutes.

not to mention that we also missed probly 20 layups as a team yesterday.

(12-31-2012 03:39 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  I watched Akron, we'll probably be able to hang, make it look close, until the fouls take their toll in the middle of the second half.

I originally thought of Treadwell and Marshall as a poor man's version of Howell and Leslie. When I started thinking about the matchup, it slightly scared me that our bigs might get taken to school. Akron has the best 4/5 combo in the league right now. Although, I don't think Marshall will be dominate against shayne. I do worry about Paul guarding Treadwell. That guy is a super freak in terms of athleticism. He's very active. But in the end, I don't think the tandem will be anything near what we just saw.

I'm more worried about Abreu, Walsh and Gilliam. All three can shoot it, and all three have more experience than anyone we have except Hutch. They could penetrate and dish, or kill us from deep if our guards don't come to play.

Akron goes in stretches where they can't buy a bucket. Sometimes they try to get hot from 3 land or just take dumb shots. Sometimes I wonder if they would be more effective without Marshall. I also think they aren't nearly as deep as they have been in recent years.

A win on the road at Akron will be tough to come by. Our broncos won't be favored in this one, nor should they be.

Don't forget that Dambrot owns Hawkins.

(12-31-2012 05:21 PM)Scoop Wrote:  Not sure if some of you watch the same game as me. But I see Richie as our best PG option. Yes he had 6 turnovers yesterday, but I recall 3 of those where the receiver didn't meet the pass. I believe this is his first game with more than 2 turnovers. It happens.

Paul is the only freshman that plays withouth the "deer in headlights" look.

The real reasons that we don't beat the good teams is because of shot selection and playing guys too many minutes. Its ok to tell Paul, Whittington and Hutch that a bad shot is a bad shot. Quit playing Pokely 35 minutes a game, he is extremely limited. Quit playing Perry, Klein and Tava extended minutes. None of them are ready for extended minutes.

If Pokley isn't playing 35+ minutes, and you think Perry/Klein/Tava shouldn't be seeing extended minutes, who plays then? You can't just cut minutes without replacing those minutes with another player. Charles Harris? AJ Avery? Who do we have that is better than the current rotation we are playing?

I would like to see five-ish minutes of Harris a game- if he knows the offense. He has the type of athleticism to guard the opponent's best perimeter player. Why not get a few minutes out of him a night since we're burning the redshirt? Scale Pokley's minutes back to the 27 range. Would be a nice wrinkle to the rotation IMO... but I doubt we'll see that now, given that non-conference play is the time to figure those things out and we haven't seen that yet. Missed opportunity if you ask me.

I do like the rotation as is, just wish we could sprinkle in more of Avery and Harris in small doses. It doesn't make sense to waste their redshirts on garbage-time minutes. Give them some meaningful minutes, but keep it to short spurts.

(12-31-2012 09:07 PM)dunkface Wrote:  

(12-31-2012 05:21 PM)Scoop Wrote:  Not sure if some of you watch the same game as me. But I see Richie as our best PG option. Yes he had 6 turnovers yesterday, but I recall 3 of those where the receiver didn't meet the pass. I believe this is his first game with more than 2 turnovers. It happens.

Paul is the only freshman that plays withouth the "deer in headlights" look.

The real reasons that we don't beat the good teams is because of shot selection and playing guys too many minutes. Its ok to tell Paul, Whittington and Hutch that a bad shot is a bad shot. Quit playing Pokely 35 minutes a game, he is extremely limited. Quit playing Perry, Klein and Tava extended minutes. None of them are ready for extended minutes.

If Pokley isn't playing 35+ minutes, and you think Perry/Klein/Tava shouldn't be seeing extended minutes, who plays then? You can't just cut minutes without replacing those minutes with another player. Charles Harris? AJ Avery? Who do we have that is better than the current rotation we are playing?

I would like to see five-ish minutes of Harris a game- if he knows the offense. He has the type of athleticism to guard the opponent's best perimeter player. Why not get a few minutes out of him a night since we're burning the redshirt? Scale Pokley's minutes back to the 27 range. Would be a nice wrinkle to the rotation IMO... but I doubt we'll see that now, given that non-conference play is the time to figure those things out and we haven't seen that yet. Missed opportunity if you ask me.

I do like the rotation as is, just wish we could sprinkle in more of Avery and Harris in small doses. It doesn't make sense to waste their redshirts on garbage-time minutes. Give them some meaningful minutes, but keep it to short spurts.

We have to leave Hutch, Richie, Paul and Whittington in for 35+ minutes and Polely, Klein, Tava, Perry, and Harris to fill the other 60 minutes...

There is a big decline when we play the freshman extended minutes but I know they need to see some time. Just not long periods like we tried these last 13 games..this team has a legit shot of winning the MAC which none of us expected....