(12-21-2012 12:06 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 11:48 PM)BSUFiend Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 10:36 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Maybe time to open the all sports western division.

Sounds like the only way to get the top MWC teams to move. Which I can't blame them. BSU/SDSU future in BE hinges upon getting more western schools. A lot at stake here.

UNLV does have the unique circumstance of having a basketball program that's such a large revenue generator that the school's athletic department revenue is legitimately already at a power conference level. In fact, the only Big East school with a higher athletic department revenue level than UNLV is UConn (and that's without the benefit of BCS AQ money). So, they can't afford to have a downgrade in basketball or Olympic sports for the sake of football even compared to SDSU (whose athletic department revenue is in the upper range of MWC and C-USA schools, but clearly below the power conference level).

Frank, alot of that income comes from the convention center. UNLV is not hurting for money. They are doing fine. The problem I see comes from the TV contract. If the contract is below 5, then a football only cut is only about 3 to 4. Take out the 900K in Big West subdsidies and increased travel, and Boise is sending its olympics to a lesser league for as little as an extra 1 million. If one takes into account some of the unequal revenue sharing models Thompson was willing to use, Boise could well be better off financially staying put. Thats before you even consider the effects of exit and entry fees.

(12-21-2012 12:26 AM)PEO16 Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 12:22 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I think Fresno State would take a football-only invite and place its other sports in the Big West, but UNLV won't. The Big East is probably waiting to see if Air Force is willing to commit before moving forward with any other western options. I'm sure Aresco will keep calling BYU because he needs to at least try, but I don't see that one happening.

Maybe not, but then it's next man up. Hello New Mexico. Now UNLV has lost both of the top MWC competitors (realizing that Utah State, Nevada etc are pretty good).
And BYU is obviously the prize of the west.

UMN is no more likely to split up their sports than UNLV is. And the BW isn't a likely landing spot for their olys. Where would they put their oly sports if they wanted to move? Certainly not the WAC.

IMO, Fresno is your best shot. If you invited SJSU with them, that would certainly sweeten the deal. But even then, it's not an automatic get for you. And very few in the MW would be shedding any tears over the loss of Fresno. And if you took SJSU, some of us would send Aresco a Thank You card.

(12-20-2012 08:43 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 08:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  UNLV AD Livengoods major points---


UNLV will not move for football only.

Lots more movement to come. Not talking just 2 or 3 teams.

Mountain West TV situation will improve for "reasons I am not yet at liberty to disclose"

Being in a western division does not give a team eastern exposure

Big East AD's reaching out to many schools to gauge interest.

Splitting sports is a major mistake.

Many realignment moves just no longer make sense. They maybe made sense when made, but not any longer (Im sure he is referring to Boise and SDSU).

Everyone has the same access to BCS now

MW could easily be considered the #6 conference.



http://www.espn1100.com/play_window.php?...Id=6168620

#6 only in their dreams

Wyoming,Nevada,Hawaii,Col St,San Jose st,Utah st.,new mexico

No real market for tv.

BYU is not joining

MWC and BE are going to pretty even should BSU and SDSU return in other words. On the west coast BE is a joke as well as on the East Coast MWC is a joke.

(12-21-2012 12:54 AM)fresnostatebulldogfan Wrote:  On the west coast BE is a joke as well as on the East Coast MWC is a joke.

There's a lot less people in the MWC footprint, so that's a win for the Big East. In the end, it's all about the benji's.

(12-21-2012 12:12 AM)SergiofromFresno Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 12:06 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 11:48 PM)BSUFiend Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 10:36 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Maybe time to open the all sports western division.

Sounds like the only way to get the top MWC teams to move. Which I can't blame them. BSU/SDSU future in BE hinges upon getting more western schools. A lot at stake here.

UNLV does have the unique circumstance of having a basketball program that's such a large revenue generator that the school's athletic department revenue is legitimately already at a power conference level. In fact, the only Big East school with a higher athletic department revenue level than UNLV is UConn (and that's without the benefit of BCS AQ money). So, they can't afford to have a downgrade in basketball or Olympic sports for the sake of football even compared to SDSU (whose athletic department revenue is in the upper range of MWC and C-USA schools, but clearly below the power conference level).

Frank, Do you believe that Fresno, UNLV, & Perhaps another Western School will end up joining the Big East soon?

Hey Serg if you dont mind I would like to say (IMHO) that if the invite for all sports does not come sooner than the MWC is able to redo their TV deal than NO MWC team will accept an invite because I truly believe that CBS does not want to lose any sports programming and with BE attempt to piece out their individual sports all CBS will have to do (and I have said this in many different threads) is bump up the MWC $$$ to the point to where they 1) would make any MWC team reject an BE invite due to the additional cost in travel and for what .... a very minimal increase in $$ which in the long run will not be worth it and 2) attract BSU and SDSU back into the MWC fold or reason #1.

(12-21-2012 12:06 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 11:48 PM)BSUFiend Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 10:36 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Maybe time to open the all sports western division.

Sounds like the only way to get the top MWC teams to move. Which I can't blame them. BSU/SDSU future in BE hinges upon getting more western schools. A lot at stake here.

UNLV does have the unique circumstance of having a basketball program that's such a large revenue generator that the school's athletic department revenue is legitimately already at a power conference level. In fact, the only Big East school with a higher athletic department revenue level than UNLV is UConn (and that's without the benefit of BCS AQ money). So, they can't afford to have a downgrade in basketball or Olympic sports for the sake of football even compared to SDSU (whose athletic department revenue is in the upper range of MWC and C-USA schools, but clearly below the power conference level).

Isn't UNLV's "athletic department revenue" deceptive, in that it includes the Thomas and Mack Center? Doesn't that boost UNLV revenues and expenses each by $20-30M? The Thomas and MAck center does 250 events a year, UNLV basketball is only about 20 games. I don't know how much of that revenue is available for UNLV athletics, and how much is eaten up by the costs of running the facility.

http://lasvegas.wikia.com/wiki/Thomas_and_Mack_Center

(12-21-2012 12:38 AM)Steve509 Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 12:26 AM)PEO16 Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 12:22 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I think Fresno State would take a football-only invite and place its other sports in the Big West, but UNLV won't. The Big East is probably waiting to see if Air Force is willing to commit before moving forward with any other western options. I'm sure Aresco will keep calling BYU because he needs to at least try, but I don't see that one happening.

Maybe not, but then it's next man up. Hello New Mexico. Now UNLV has lost both of the top MWC competitors (realizing that Utah State, Nevada etc are pretty good).
And BYU is obviously the prize of the west.

UMN is no more likely to split up their sports than UNLV is. And the BW isn't a likely landing spot for their olys. Where would they put their oly sports if they wanted to move? Certainly not the WAC.

UTEP's in C-USA, so could New Mexico be an all-sports invite from the beginning? I wouldn't do it, but would Aresco? Would UNM?

(12-21-2012 12:38 AM)Steve509 Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 12:26 AM)PEO16 Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 12:22 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I think Fresno State would take a football-only invite and place its other sports in the Big West, but UNLV won't. The Big East is probably waiting to see if Air Force is willing to commit before moving forward with any other western options. I'm sure Aresco will keep calling BYU because he needs to at least try, but I don't see that one happening.

Maybe not, but then it's next man up. Hello New Mexico. Now UNLV has lost both of the top MWC competitors (realizing that Utah State, Nevada etc are pretty good).
And BYU is obviously the prize of the west.

UMN is no more likely to split up their sports than UNLV is. And the BW isn't a likely landing spot for their olys. Where would they put their oly sports if they wanted to move? Certainly not the WAC.

We'll see. But the reality is that UNLV's greatest success was when playing in the Big West (just like Marquette's was when independent or playing in a league with Tulane and Houston).The UNLV and Marquette RPIs weren't as inflated in those other leagues as they have been, but the teams were just as good, if not better then. The money is in football. You either want to be in the best league you can be (in a sport where the league matters) or you don't. If you have to park your teams for a couple of years, you do it. I can see New Mexico resisting, due to long-standing relationships in the front range. But Vegas? They'll join, imo.

the answer will be, does Hous & SMU want to go west with MWC or east with Big East.
with the BE basketball schools it was no brainer, however thier gone.
the ball is in thier court

(12-21-2012 02:06 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  the answer will be, does Hous & SMU want to go west with MWC or east with Big East.
with the BE basketball schools it was no brainer, however thier gone.
the ball is in thier court

SMU and Houston have never shown the least inclination toward the MWC.

(12-21-2012 12:59 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 12:54 AM)fresnostatebulldogfan Wrote:  On the west coast BE is a joke as well as on the East Coast MWC is a joke.

In the end, it's all about the benji's.

I agree and in the end I dont think that there will a significant difference between the two conferences. TV networks will end up winning this $ tug-of-war.

I like the MWC's strategy here: "We've lost most our marquee programs, let's renegotiate and tell them we demand more money." Pretty sure it's going to work.

If I was the Big East I would offer UNLV an all sport ASAP.

I can't see an all sport conference but a 12/16 hybrid with SDSU (Big West), BYU (West Coast), UConn (C7) and Navy (Patriot) all football only would make sense.

Basketball:

East: UCF, USF, ECU, TU, UC, Memphis
West: Fresno, Boise, UNLV, SMU, Houston, Tulane

This is direction I think things are moving in. UConn will probably get into the Catholic school league because of how strong the school is from a rivalry standpoint with those institutions.

Cincinnati while a great basketball school is hardly in UConn's league IMO.

(12-20-2012 10:15 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Without SDSU, Boise, Fresno, etc., the MWC = Sunbelt.

By Sun Belt, you mean the current CUSA

The Sun Belt is the FCS move up home now. Coming soon to an SBC near you App St. and Georgia Southern

(12-21-2012 01:23 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 12:06 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 11:48 PM)BSUFiend Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 10:36 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Maybe time to open the all sports western division.

Sounds like the only way to get the top MWC teams to move. Which I can't blame them. BSU/SDSU future in BE hinges upon getting more western schools. A lot at stake here.

UNLV does have the unique circumstance of having a basketball program that's such a large revenue generator that the school's athletic department revenue is legitimately already at a power conference level. In fact, the only Big East school with a higher athletic department revenue level than UNLV is UConn (and that's without the benefit of BCS AQ money). So, they can't afford to have a downgrade in basketball or Olympic sports for the sake of football even compared to SDSU (whose athletic department revenue is in the upper range of MWC and C-USA schools, but clearly below the power conference level).

Isn't UNLV's "athletic department revenue" deceptive, in that it includes the Thomas and Mack Center? Doesn't that boost UNLV revenues and expenses each by $20-30M? The Thomas and MAck center does 250 events a year, UNLV basketball is only about 20 games. I don't know how much of that revenue is available for UNLV athletics, and how much is eaten up by the costs of running the facility.

http://lasvegas.wikia.com/wiki/Thomas_and_Mack_Center

UNLV's basketball program alone (taking out the T&M numbers) brings in somewhere around 15 million every season after expenses are cut it's around 10 million per season. Adding the T&M center to UNLV's budget would put it at probably around #1 or 2 in college so it doesn't happen. It's ran as sort of a side project, but if we added that new stadium that is most likely to happen then you could see an even bigger influx of money to happen. To put it this way if UNLV football ran revenue neutral for 2-3 years we would be pulling in roughly 3-4 million more per year.

(12-21-2012 12:22 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 12:12 AM)SergiofromFresno Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 12:06 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 11:48 PM)BSUFiend Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 10:36 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  Maybe time to open the all sports western division.

Sounds like the only way to get the top MWC teams to move. Which I can't blame them. BSU/SDSU future in BE hinges upon getting more western schools. A lot at stake here.

UNLV does have the unique circumstance of having a basketball program that's such a large revenue generator that the school's athletic department revenue is legitimately already at a power conference level. In fact, the only Big East school with a higher athletic department revenue level than UNLV is UConn (and that's without the benefit of BCS AQ money). So, they can't afford to have a downgrade in basketball or Olympic sports for the sake of football even compared to SDSU (whose athletic department revenue is in the upper range of MWC and C-USA schools, but clearly below the power conference level).

Frank, Do you believe that Fresno, UNLV, & Perhaps another Western School will end up joining the Big East soon?

I think Fresno State would take a football-only invite and place its other sports in the Big West, but UNLV won't. The Big East is probably waiting to see if Air Force is willing to commit before moving forward with any other western options. I'm sure Aresco will keep calling BYU because he needs to at least try, but I don't see that one happening.

Thank You, for your Response Frank.

(12-21-2012 02:06 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  the answer will be, does Hous & SMU want to go west with MWC or east with Big East.
with the BE basketball schools it was no brainer, however thier gone.
the ball is in thier court

Strange times when SMU is in a drivers seat for anything.....

(12-21-2012 12:54 AM)fresnostatebulldogfan Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 08:43 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 08:09 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  UNLV AD Livengoods major points---


UNLV will not move for football only.

Lots more movement to come. Not talking just 2 or 3 teams.

Mountain West TV situation will improve for "reasons I am not yet at liberty to disclose"

Being in a western division does not give a team eastern exposure

Big East AD's reaching out to many schools to gauge interest.



Splitting sports is a major mistake.

Many realignment moves just no longer make sense. They maybe made sense when made, but not any longer (Im sure he is referring to Boise and SDSU).

Everyone has the same access to BCS now

MW could easily be considered the #6 conference.



http://www.espn1100.com/play_window.php?...Id=6168620

#6 only in their dreams

Wyoming,Nevada,Hawaii,Col St,San Jose st,Utah st.,new mexico

No real market for tv.

BYU is not joining

MWC and BE are going to pretty even should BSU and SDSU return in other words. On the west coast BE is a joke as well as on the East Coast MWC is a joke.

Most of the MWC have a tv base that is tiny.The BE is surely not talking with wyoming,col st,nevada,san jose st,utah st and new mexico.

(12-21-2012 06:46 AM)8BitPirate Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 02:06 AM)templefootballfan Wrote:  the answer will be, does Hous & SMU want to go west with MWC or east with Big East.
with the BE basketball schools it was no brainer, however thier gone.
the ball is in thier court

Strange times when SMU is in a drivers seat for anything.....

You must not know our alumni...we are always in the driver's seat. Not trying to stir it up, but here are some facts:

SMU Endowment: 1.2 BILLION
ECU Endowment: 130 million.

And I believe we have beaten ECU the last 2 times we have played. I was at both games. The OT win was simply superb. Kurt Busch came to Dowdy with us (his ex is an ECU alum, and he is actually a Pirate fan) and you better believe I let him have it. It was great.

That being said, I'm glad you guys are in the NBE with us.

We've got to act fast and get this all sports league in the works before The Hair tries to pull something out of his ass with the MWC. Take UNLV and Fresno all sports now.