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But see, they're the elites. Gun control is only meant for the plebes, not the elites like politicians and other various liberal big whigs.

(12-21-2012 10:50 AM)Rebel Wrote:  But see, they're the elites. Gun control is only meant for the plebes, not the elites like politicians and other various liberal big whigs.

Gun control does not equal banning all guns.

(12-21-2012 02:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:50 AM)Rebel Wrote:  But see, they're the elites. Gun control is only meant for the plebes, not the elites like politicians and other various liberal big whigs.

Gun control does not equal banning all guns.

What does it mean to you?

(12-21-2012 02:02 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 02:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:50 AM)Rebel Wrote:  But see, they're the elites. Gun control is only meant for the plebes, not the elites like politicians and other various liberal big whigs.

Gun control does not equal banning all guns.

What does it mean to you?

Gun control to me means that we have laws in place that insure that the people own guns legally.

(12-21-2012 02:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 02:02 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 02:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:50 AM)Rebel Wrote:  But see, they're the elites. Gun control is only meant for the plebes, not the elites like politicians and other various liberal big whigs.

Gun control does not equal banning all guns.

What does it mean to you?

Gun control to me means that we have laws in place that insure that the people own guns legally.

Huh?

(12-21-2012 02:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 02:02 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 02:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:50 AM)Rebel Wrote:  But see, they're the elites. Gun control is only meant for the plebes, not the elites like politicians and other various liberal big whigs.

Gun control does not equal banning all guns.

What does it mean to you?

Gun control to me means that we have laws in place that insure that the people own guns legally.

We do. Lots of them. More laws doesn't mean that criminals won't commit crimes. The gun laws worked in this case. Adam Lanza was denied a gun because he didn't want to wait on the background check most likely because he knew he would be denied if he had been diagnosed with any sort of mental illness. I would support legislation, if it doesn't already exist, that would make it more difficult for a person to have weapons easily accessible to a mentally impaired family member. (Thats the only sort of law that may have helped here.)

(12-21-2012 02:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 02:02 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 02:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:50 AM)Rebel Wrote:  But see, they're the elites. Gun control is only meant for the plebes, not the elites like politicians and other various liberal big whigs.

Gun control does not equal banning all guns.

What does it mean to you?

Gun control to me means that we have laws in place that insure that the people own guns legally.

So no need to ban Semi Automatic rifles then...

Anyone else find it ironic that the administration that wants to ban the sale of semi-automatic weapons recently just walked thousands right across the border into Mexico?

(12-21-2012 02:39 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 02:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 02:02 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 02:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:50 AM)Rebel Wrote:  But see, they're the elites. Gun control is only meant for the plebes, not the elites like politicians and other various liberal big whigs.

Gun control does not equal banning all guns.

What does it mean to you?

Gun control to me means that we have laws in place that insure that the people own guns legally.

So no need to ban Semi Automatic rifles then...

I don't think an assault weapons ban will make much difference.

(12-21-2012 02:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 02:02 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 02:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:50 AM)Rebel Wrote:  But see, they're the elites. Gun control is only meant for the plebes, not the elites like politicians and other various liberal big whigs.

Gun control does not equal banning all guns.

What does it mean to you?

Gun control to me means that we have laws in place that insure that the people own guns legally.

Those guns in Newtown were obtained legally. Just not by the maniac.

Quote:Washington D.C. had gun ban control laws in place until the case of Parker v. District of Columbia, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit ruled that the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution does, indeed, protect a right for individual citizens to keep and bear arms for self-defense and other legal uses.

Consequently, the court struck down a nettle of D.C. gun-control laws which effectively prohibited gun ownership and use within the District by law-abiding citizens.

Meanwhile, the Washington Examiner is reporting that homicides in Washington DC have dropped to their lowest level since 1963. This is significant for handgun enthusiasts, as the Supreme Court ruled in favor of gun rights in District of Columbia v. Heller in 2008, thus striking down a handgun ban in the nation’s capital. Since the ban was lifted, Washington DC’s murder rate has dropped like a stone, reaching historic lows.

The 2nd Amendment Makes Washington DC Safer

When only criminals and police are allowed to carry guns, private citizens have no real-time defense against violent crime. 911 response times are never fast enough to stop a shooting in progress. In the ’80s and ’90s, Washington DC attained infamy for its vicious murder rate. In the past, as many as 500 people might be murdered there in a single year. By the end of 2012, less than 100 murders will have occurred, representing a dramatic drop.

These murder rates are not just conversation pieces. For 400 less murders to occur means that 400 citizens of Washington DC are still alive to enjoy years on Earth with friends and family. It’s easy for people who have never had to defend themselves with a gun to armchair quarterback and suggest alternatives to firearm ownership in the event that the worst happens, but for those who have been thrust into a situation that called for one, a gun is often the only hope of survival.

For openly-gay Tom G Palmer, for example, a handgun was a lifesaver. In 1982, he was surrounded by 20 gang members who shrieked homophobic insults while threatening to kill him. Violence against gay people is a serious problem worldwide, and the results are often tragically fatal. Assuming he was about to get jumped, Tom brandished a 9mm pistol, dispersing the crowd. Tom refused to be made a victim over his sexual orientation.

The Right to Self-Defense Is Fundamental

People are sometimes put into situations in which it is impossible to survive without a firearm. Smaller-sized people have few options for self-defense when facing a group of attackers or a larger assailant with a weapon. Firearms are a crucial equalizer for women as well, thus enhancing women’s rights.

When the right to keep and bear arms is suppressed, people sometimes are plunged into these situations without a weapon of their own. Criminals do not fear gun laws. Most gun charges pale in comparison to the sentences the same person will receive for using the weapon in the commission of a crime. What difference does an extra six months in prison make when the person is already facing 3 life sentences? Meanwhile, anti-gun laws do discourage decent, law-abiding people from carrying weapons, thus allowing police and criminals to have a monopoly on the ability to unleash deadly force.

While it’s important to note that crime rates have been dropping for years before the Heller case was heard by the high court, murder rates had been rising again in 2008. After the handgun ban was overturned, the number of murders in Washington DC began to drop even faster and have now hit the lowest point since 1963.

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Let's say Obama gets rifles banned and all handguns tracked.

What's his (dem-libs) answer AFTER the next school shooting?

How about the one after that?

Don't pretend the ultimate goal isn't citizens armed with nothing better than butter knives! Or in this country, turning a large segment of your political opponents into instant criminals for the right to defend themselves!

There are more guns within 100 yards of Obama than there are in most large gun stores. Obama likes guns as long as they're pointing in the direction he wants them to.

(12-21-2012 04:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 02:39 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 02:07 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 02:02 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 02:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  Gun control does not equal banning all guns.

What does it mean to you?

Gun control to me means that we have laws in place that insure that the people own guns legally.

So no need to ban Semi Automatic rifles then...

I don't think an assault weapons ban will make much difference.

Most correct thing you've said in weeks.. Still the low information voters hear "assault weapons" and not "Guns responsible for a huge minority of gun crimes"

(12-21-2012 02:00 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 10:50 AM)Rebel Wrote:  But see, they're the elites. Gun control is only meant for the plebes, not the elites like politicians and other various liberal big whigs.

Gun control does not equal banning all guns.

Not right now but deep down that is the intent. People keep bringing up stats of how many people are killed each year by guns but only talk about banning assault rifles. Assault rifles is the first step of this phase. People will still be killed, these school shootings will still happen, and the mindset will change to all guns.