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If you leave in good academic standing, it does not hurt the school. Yes there are waivers for the things you mention, but the school only takes an APR hit if the kid leaves in poor standing.

From wiki (yes I know the source, but I cant get the NCAA citation to load). There are other sources that verify this as well.


Adjustments

The NCAA does adjust APR, on a student-by-student basis, in two circumstances. One exception that can be made, is for student-athletes who leave prior to graduation, while in good academic standing, to pursue a professional career. Another is for student-athletes who transfer to another school while meeting minimum academic requirements and student-athletes who return to graduate at a later date. Compiling college athletes’graduation rates stemmed partly from press coverage that 76 to 92 percent of professional athletes lacked college degrees and from revelations that some were functionally illiterate. [17] In the 2010–11 cycle, the NCAA granted nearly 700 APR adjustments in the latter category, out of a total of over 6,400 Division I teams. (The APR is calculated based only on scholarship players already, not walk-ons) Numerous other sources, from sports conferences to schools themselves, document much lower graduation rates for college football and men’s basketball and baseball players than for general students.Compounding matters is that only about 57 percent of all college students complete a bachelor’s degree in six years.

From the NCAA news release:

To ensure fairness in APR, the NCAA provides adjustments for student-athletes who transfer with certain grade point averages and those who leave in good academic standing for professional athletics careers.

(12-17-2012 11:48 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  

(12-17-2012 11:23 PM)the Dragon Wrote:  

(12-17-2012 06:35 PM)dfarr Wrote:  I hope to keep our standards. I'm personally tired of seeing a bunch of illiterate fools graduating from four year colleges because they're good athletes. If schools like Notre Dame and Stanford can be competitive, then so can we.

I'd like to compete under the same rules as everyone else. I'm tired of losing. A lot of high academic schools win with lower standards for athletes. Are their reputations ruined?

Huge + 1

I don't recall anyone saying to let in illiterate people. I don't see what the issue is with competing on a level playing field. If we want to keep the standards this high I suggest dropping to FCS and petitioning for admittance into the Ivy League.

MB the idea is not to lower them to below what the new standard will be. The idea is to lower them to be on par with everyone else whoom we compete against.

Many Blazer greats we hold near and dear to our hearts would not even be recruited today if these standards were in place when they played. I had a nice conversation with Coach Bartow about this a couple years ago and he was in agreement so I feel like I am in good company.

AB out............

Academic integrity > athletic greatness

(12-17-2012 11:23 PM)BlazerGreen Wrote:  

(12-17-2012 10:04 PM)bladhmadh Wrote:  

(12-17-2012 06:35 PM)dfarr Wrote:  I hope to keep our standards. I'm personally tired of seeing a bunch of illiterate fools graduating from four year colleges because they're good athletes. If schools like Notre Dame and Stanford can be competitive, then so can we.

if we average 3 to 4 wins a season for the next few years you will not have to worry about it because we will no longer have a football program. uab is not stanford and we are not in the ivy league.

+1 UAB doesn't have the Big Money teet to latch on like Vandy, Northwestern, or Duke. Those schools never have to really compete and they are in no danger of losing conference affiliation and the accompanying gravy train. UAB also doesn't have the deep-pocketed alumni of academically elite private schools. If we want fans and boosters willing to seriously invest, UAB has to win and win big. In C-USA that means being in the top 2 or 3 in the sports people will pay to watch: football and men's basketball . We're not going to do that with the highest entrance requirements in the league.

Well said.

You can lower the standards to whoom we are competing against and still maintain academic integrity. Gene Bartow did it. He recruited and played guys that would not get a sniff today. Better get off that high horse before you fall off and break your hip.

This discussion needs to go away. First, you don't announce you are lowering standards. What good does it do? Does the dumb recruit think "wow, they lowered the standard for me. I want to go there. Does the smart recruit get excited about going to a place that has lowered standards? Does it generate positive PR.

You don't announce it. You just do it without fanfare, in little increments. I suspect with new coaches, we have already done so a little, but have not announced it to the fans, who are still having the pointless debate.

Note that there has been no announcement by Tulane, just some guy on a message board, who probably doesn't know what he's talking about

I agree 100% with that MB.

Quote:Gene Bartow did it. He recruited and played guys that would not get a sniff today.

That was a different time and a different UAB. A huge chunk of the non-athlete student body ca. 1982 couldn't get a sniff today, either.

(12-18-2012 09:56 AM)Memphis Blazer Wrote:  This discussion needs to go away. First, you don't announce you are lowering standards. What good does it do? Does the dumb recruit think "wow, they lowered the standard for me. I want to go there. Does the smart recruit get excited about going to a place that has lowered standards? Does it generate positive PR.

You don't announce it. You just do it without fanfare, in little increments. I suspect with new coaches, we have already done so a little, but have not announced it to the fans, who are still having the pointless debate.

Note that there has been no announcement by Tulane, just some guy on a message board, who probably doesn't know what he's talking about

There was no announcement by smu but it happened. It became public that smu was granting exceptions when June jones threw a public bossy fit when the university refused to grant two waivers in a class of 25 tha already had over 20 waivers granted. When UAB lowers its requirements we will no announce it but I'd be willing to bet a lot of us will know it happened. It's not be kind of thing you tell recruits but it is the kind of thing that gets relayed to boosters

Blazer You are right here is the regs

To qualify for the exception, a student-athlete must:
■Attend the institution for one academic year;
■Be academically eligible when her or she leaves the institution;
■Enroll in a four-year college for the following regular term; and
■Leave the institution with at least a 2.6 cumulative GPA.(may be changed)

Must also be on track to graduate on time(5 years) when he arrives at the new institution

(12-18-2012 12:01 AM)Blazer Engineer Wrote:  If you leave in good academic standing, it does not hurt the school. Yes there are waivers for the things you mention, but the school only takes an APR hit if the kid leaves in poor standing.

From wiki (yes I know the source, but I cant get the NCAA citation to load). There are other sources that verify this as well.


Adjustments

The NCAA does adjust APR, on a student-by-student basis, in two circumstances. One exception that can be made, is for student-athletes who leave prior to graduation, while in good academic standing, to pursue a professional career. Another is for student-athletes who transfer to another school while meeting minimum academic requirements and student-athletes who return to graduate at a later date. Compiling college athletes’graduation rates stemmed partly from press coverage that 76 to 92 percent of professional athletes lacked college degrees and from revelations that some were functionally illiterate. [17] In the 2010–11 cycle, the NCAA granted nearly 700 APR adjustments in the latter category, out of a total of over 6,400 Division I teams. (The APR is calculated based only on scholarship players already, not walk-ons) Numerous other sources, from sports conferences to schools themselves, document much lower graduation rates for college football and men’s basketball and baseball players than for general students.Compounding matters is that only about 57 percent of all college students complete a bachelor’s degree in six years.

(12-18-2012 12:13 PM)uabbean Wrote:  Blazer You are right here is the regs

To qualify for the exception, a student-athlete must:
■Attend the institution for one academic year;
■Be academically eligible when her or she leaves the institution;
■Enroll in a four-year college for the following regular term; and
■Leave the institution with at least a 2.6 cumulative GPA.(may be changed)

Must also be on track to graduate on time(5 years) when he arrives at the new institution

(12-18-2012 12:01 AM)Blazer Engineer Wrote:  If you leave in good academic standing, it does not hurt the school. Yes there are waivers for the things you mention, but the school only takes an APR hit if the kid leaves in poor standing.

From wiki (yes I know the source, but I cant get the NCAA citation to load). There are other sources that verify this as well.


Adjustments

The NCAA does adjust APR, on a student-by-student basis, in two circumstances. One exception that can be made, is for student-athletes who leave prior to graduation, while in good academic standing, to pursue a professional career. Another is for student-athletes who transfer to another school while meeting minimum academic requirements and student-athletes who return to graduate at a later date. Compiling college athletes’graduation rates stemmed partly from press coverage that 76 to 92 percent of professional athletes lacked college degrees and from revelations that some were functionally illiterate. [17] In the 2010–11 cycle, the NCAA granted nearly 700 APR adjustments in the latter category, out of a total of over 6,400 Division I teams. (The APR is calculated based only on scholarship players already, not walk-ons) Numerous other sources, from sports conferences to schools themselves, document much lower graduation rates for college football and men’s basketball and baseball players than for general students.Compounding matters is that only about 57 percent of all college students complete a bachelor’s degree in six years.

Thanks Bean, I could not get the NCAA site to load last night. I think the transfers out are in much better standing than the debacle we had with CMD and when CNC took over.

(12-18-2012 12:13 PM)uabbean Wrote:  ■Enroll in a four-year college for the following regular term; and

This one concerns me. What if the player was a freshman and he leaves to a JUCO? That shouldn't count against us.

Ben Craft is my example.