(12-20-2012 08:34 AM)BrianPersky Wrote:  We get it. You hate Hawkins , you think Cubit got screwed, and there's some conspiracy theory in the athletic department.

7-4 right now is over-achieving with this team.

^
Act like a teenage girl often?

This was a winnable game despite a few things that point to a loss. We could have and should have won this game.

The good:

*Only 13 turnovers against a team that clearly had more quickness. This is a step in the right direction. I didn't like the timing of some of the turnovers in the second half, but getting that number down to 13 is a good trend. Hopefully we can continue that.

*Shayne looks good...real good. He's likely to command a few double teams in the future. Especially if a slower guy like Balkema or Fields is guarding him in the MAC. NIU and CMU really do not have anyone that can guard him straight up either. Hopefully the coaching staff works with him on the double team.

*Darius Paul continues to impress.

*Tava is showing some real progress in the last couple games. He has been giving us solid minutes off the bench.

*Richie had zero turnovers in 25 minutes. Klein had 2 in 15 minutes. That's pretty darn good for our PG position considering everyone wants to whine about breaking a press. I'm not sure what game a few of you were watching, but they avoided the traps and passed it to the open man when it was necessary.

*We were 1 short of them in the rebounding category. Considering this was played at their place and they were ranked higher than us in that category, I liked the performance.

*I thought the guys played hard the entire game, except the first 2 minutes of the second half. Hawk called a timeout and they got their act together.

*Our offensive movement is way way way better than it has been in the past. Our spacing is better, we cut without the ball and look for backdoor plays all the time. It's a breath of fresh air.

The bad:

*We aren't going to win very many games when Hutch, Poke and Richie go a combined 3/23 from the field. Honestly, it's amazing this was only a 5 point loss with a shooting performance like that. I wish they would have gone to Hutch in the post, but I recognize that Shayne and Darius had mismatches and the guy guarding Hutch was pretty tall and athletic (nice elbow btw jackwagon).

*Giving up 12 three pointers isn't going to win a lot of games. Which leads to...

*Their guards and wings were light years quicker than us. A lot of those 3's came off penetration and kick outs. It's tough to play help defense against a team that can get to the lane whenever they want, and still expect to close on their shooters. We are going to have problems guarding teams with really quick guards....Ohio, Kent and Ball St come to mind immediately. In fact, Duquesne probably looks a lot like Ohio, with the exception of Ohio gambling much more on defense. They run and jack 3's whenever they get an open look.

*We went 15/19 from the free throw line, which is good...but the misses down the stretch were heartbreakers. Shayne missed one, and then Hutch immediately got fouled and missed the front end of a one and one. Duquesne went down and hit a 3 if I remember correctly. That's a 6 point swing. Tough to close an 11 point lead when that happens.

*We need to run Poke off more screens. He's not going to create his own offense. Might as well try to get him open. The opponents know he's our best shooter and will cheat on him with another guy. This should provide some offensive opportunities for the guys who screen.

Random:

*The announcers were gushing over how well coached our team is. I was sitting there thinking that there must be at least a couple members of the Stampede sitting at home with a grumpy look on their face. I don't pretend to think that Hawk is the end all be all of coaches, or even that he will be wanted by a better program. He has strengths and weaknesses, just like any other coach. Maybe it's time to recognize his strengths more often than his weaknesses.

*Saturday is a big opportunity to get 8 wins. The high end goal for this team should be 20 wins at this point. A disappointment would be 15. Anything at 16 or above should get us a postseason berth. Going 10-6 in the MAC this year is not out of the question. That likely wins the West and gives us a #3 or 4 seed. Let's make it happen!

Looking forward to saturday. Go Broncos

(12-20-2012 08:40 AM)DesertBronco Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 08:34 AM)BrianPersky Wrote:  We get it. You hate Hawkins , you think Cubit got screwed, and there's some conspiracy theory in the athletic department.

7-4 right now is over-achieving with this team.

^
Act like a teenage girl often?

You guys got off on the wrong foot somehow. DB likes Blazing Saddles and Brian Persky is a good man. And we're all Broncos!!

Ok, I am not a basketball wizard by any means... but can someone explain to me why it seems that WMU's teams over the last few years can't make simple shots with any sort of regularity... They play fast, aggressive on defense and extremely un-selfish ball... but when it comes to making shots... they are terrible... They moved the ball extremely well, getting guys open looks with regularity, yet it seemed like they were shooting with their eyes closed...

(12-20-2012 09:46 AM)EA3 Wrote:  This was a winnable game despite a few things that point to a loss. We could have and should have won this game.

The good:

*Only 13 turnovers against a team that clearly had more quickness. This is a step in the right direction. I didn't like the timing of some of the turnovers in the second half, but getting that number down to 13 is a good trend. Hopefully we can continue that.

*Shayne looks good...real good. He's likely to command a few double teams in the future. Especially if a slower guy like Balkema or Fields is guarding him in the MAC. NIU and CMU really do not have anyone that can guard him straight up either. Hopefully the coaching staff works with him on the double team.

*Darius Paul continues to impress.

*Tava is showing some real progress in the last couple games. He has been giving us solid minutes off the bench.

*Richie had zero turnovers in 25 minutes. Klein had 2 in 15 minutes. That's pretty darn good for our PG position considering everyone wants to whine about breaking a press. I'm not sure what game a few of you were watching, but they avoided the traps and passed it to the open man when it was necessary.

*We were 1 short of them in the rebounding category. Considering this was played at their place and they were ranked higher than us in that category, I liked the performance.

*I thought the guys played hard the entire game, except the first 2 minutes of the second half. Hawk called a timeout and they got their act together.

*Our offensive movement is way way way better than it has been in the past. Our spacing is better, we cut without the ball and look for backdoor plays all the time. It's a breath of fresh air.

The bad:

*We aren't going to win very many games when Hutch, Poke and Richie go a combined 3/23 from the field. Honestly, it's amazing this was only a 5 point loss with a shooting performance like that. I wish they would have gone to Hutch in the post, but I recognize that Shayne and Darius had mismatches and the guy guarding Hutch was pretty tall and athletic (nice elbow btw jackwagon).

*Giving up 12 three pointers isn't going to win a lot of games. Which leads to...

*Their guards and wings were light years quicker than us. A lot of those 3's came off penetration and kick outs. It's tough to play help defense against a team that can get to the lane whenever they want, and still expect to close on their shooters. We are going to have problems guarding teams with really quick guards....Ohio, Kent and Ball St come to mind immediately. In fact, Duquesne probably looks a lot like Ohio, with the exception of Ohio gambling much more on defense. They run and jack 3's whenever they get an open look.

*We went 15/19 from the free throw line, which is good...but the misses down the stretch were heartbreakers. Shayne missed one, and then Hutch immediately got fouled and missed the front end of a one and one. Duquesne went down and hit a 3 if I remember correctly. That's a 6 point swing. Tough to close an 11 point lead when that happens.

*We need to run Poke off more screens. He's not going to create his own offense. Might as well try to get him open. The opponents know he's our best shooter and will cheat on him with another guy. This should provide some offensive opportunities for the guys who screen.

Random:

*The announcers were gushing over how well coached our team is. I was sitting there thinking that there must be at least a couple members of the Stampede sitting at home with a grumpy look on their face. I don't pretend to think that Hawk is the end all be all of coaches, or even that he will be wanted by a better program. He has strengths and weaknesses, just like any other coach. Maybe it's time to recognize his strengths more often than his weaknesses.

*Saturday is a big opportunity to get 8 wins. The high end goal for this team should be 20 wins at this point. A disappointment would be 15. Anything at 16 or above should get us a postseason berth. Going 10-6 in the MAC this year is not out of the question. That likely wins the West and gives us a #3 or 4 seed. Let's make it happen!

Looking forward to saturday. Go Broncos

If they say we're a sloppy team and not coached well then it doesn't bode very well for the game and Duquesne, since when does an announcer saying anything validate? What a crock.

We were so well coached we lost, EOD. WOW.

(12-20-2012 10:17 AM)DesertBronco Wrote:  We were so well coached we lost, EOD. WOW.

Care to explain the difference in logic between 1 game in basketball and 1 game in hockey?

(12-20-2012 08:16 AM)DesertBronco Wrote:  One game in hockey does not tell a story.

BP our wins are not anything to shout about USF is horrible and that's the signature win IMO we should be at 10 to consider overachiehing. The problem I have is we e not made any adjustments for a decade. We have had similar teams that play without continuity and purpose. We are in the worse D1 basketball league in the Mac West and can't catch tourney fire. We will get in a crazy low level tourney because of our dominance over High Point and like and calls for success by Woodens 1 day chauffeur will be made

(12-20-2012 11:51 AM)conaire Wrote:  BP our wins are not anything to shout about USF is horrible and that's the signature win IMO we should be at 10 to consider overachiehing. The problem I have is we e not made any adjustments for a decade. We have had similar teams that play without continuity and purpose. We are in the worse D1 basketball league in the Mac West and can't catch tourney fire. We will get in a crazy low level tourney because of our dominance over High Point and like and calls for success by Woodens 1 day chauffeur will be made

The entire offense changed this year. That's a pretty big adjustment.

(12-20-2012 10:17 AM)DesertBronco Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 09:46 AM)EA3 Wrote:  This was a winnable game despite a few things that point to a loss. We could have and should have won this game.

The good:

*Only 13 turnovers against a team that clearly had more quickness. This is a step in the right direction. I didn't like the timing of some of the turnovers in the second half, but getting that number down to 13 is a good trend. Hopefully we can continue that.

*Shayne looks good...real good. He's likely to command a few double teams in the future. Especially if a slower guy like Balkema or Fields is guarding him in the MAC. NIU and CMU really do not have anyone that can guard him straight up either. Hopefully the coaching staff works with him on the double team.

*Darius Paul continues to impress.

*Tava is showing some real progress in the last couple games. He has been giving us solid minutes off the bench.

*Richie had zero turnovers in 25 minutes. Klein had 2 in 15 minutes. That's pretty darn good for our PG position considering everyone wants to whine about breaking a press. I'm not sure what game a few of you were watching, but they avoided the traps and passed it to the open man when it was necessary.

*We were 1 short of them in the rebounding category. Considering this was played at their place and they were ranked higher than us in that category, I liked the performance.

*I thought the guys played hard the entire game, except the first 2 minutes of the second half. Hawk called a timeout and they got their act together.

*Our offensive movement is way way way better than it has been in the past. Our spacing is better, we cut without the ball and look for backdoor plays all the time. It's a breath of fresh air.

The bad:

*We aren't going to win very many games when Hutch, Poke and Richie go a combined 3/23 from the field. Honestly, it's amazing this was only a 5 point loss with a shooting performance like that. I wish they would have gone to Hutch in the post, but I recognize that Shayne and Darius had mismatches and the guy guarding Hutch was pretty tall and athletic (nice elbow btw jackwagon).

*Giving up 12 three pointers isn't going to win a lot of games. Which leads to...

*Their guards and wings were light years quicker than us. A lot of those 3's came off penetration and kick outs. It's tough to play help defense against a team that can get to the lane whenever they want, and still expect to close on their shooters. We are going to have problems guarding teams with really quick guards....Ohio, Kent and Ball St come to mind immediately. In fact, Duquesne probably looks a lot like Ohio, with the exception of Ohio gambling much more on defense. They run and jack 3's whenever they get an open look.

*We went 15/19 from the free throw line, which is good...but the misses down the stretch were heartbreakers. Shayne missed one, and then Hutch immediately got fouled and missed the front end of a one and one. Duquesne went down and hit a 3 if I remember correctly. That's a 6 point swing. Tough to close an 11 point lead when that happens.

*We need to run Poke off more screens. He's not going to create his own offense. Might as well try to get him open. The opponents know he's our best shooter and will cheat on him with another guy. This should provide some offensive opportunities for the guys who screen.

Random:

*The announcers were gushing over how well coached our team is. I was sitting there thinking that there must be at least a couple members of the Stampede sitting at home with a grumpy look on their face. I don't pretend to think that Hawk is the end all be all of coaches, or even that he will be wanted by a better program. He has strengths and weaknesses, just like any other coach. Maybe it's time to recognize his strengths more often than his weaknesses.

*Saturday is a big opportunity to get 8 wins. The high end goal for this team should be 20 wins at this point. A disappointment would be 15. Anything at 16 or above should get us a postseason berth. Going 10-6 in the MAC this year is not out of the question. That likely wins the West and gives us a #3 or 4 seed. Let's make it happen!

Looking forward to saturday. Go Broncos

If they say we're a sloppy team and not coached well then it doesn't bode very well for the game and Duquesne, since when does an announcer saying anything validate? What a crock.

We were so well coached we lost, EOD. WOW.

LOL...whatever you say DB.

(12-20-2012 11:51 AM)conaire Wrote:  BP our wins are not anything to shout about USF is horrible and that's the signature win IMO we should be at 10 to consider overachiehing. The problem I have is we e not made any adjustments for a decade. We have had similar teams that play without continuity and purpose. We are in the worse D1 basketball league in the Mac West and can't catch tourney fire. We will get in a crazy low level tourney because of our dominance over High Point and like and calls for success by Woodens 1 day chauffeur will be made

I don't even know where to begin dissecting this post.

I can only shake my head...

(12-20-2012 10:50 AM)BrianPersky Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 10:17 AM)DesertBronco Wrote:  We were so well coached we lost, EOD. WOW.

Care to explain the difference in logic between 1 game in basketball and 1 game in hockey?

(12-20-2012 08:16 AM)DesertBronco Wrote:  One game in hockey does not tell a story.

You don't understand the difference in context? Why do you think they're the same, little girl?

DB - did you watch last night's game?

Caught the last five live and watched the DVR Persky.

It was interesting to see the Duquesne attendance.

Officially listed at 2839. There is no way there were that many people there. I'd guess 1400 were in actual attendance.

Forgot to mention that this was the 2nd game in a row that we haven't seen Harris or Avery.

Which likely means that they are struggling with defense and/or rebounding in practice. I hope these two figure out they HAVE to make an impact in both those areas if they want to play. I believe our ceiling is higher with them on the floor, even if it's 10 mpg each.

^ I've said it 1000 times, should of redshirted. once again a mistake coach hawk continues to make during his tenure.

(12-20-2012 08:01 PM)WMU83 Wrote:  ^ I've said it 1000 times, should of redshirted. once again a mistake coach hawk continues to make during his tenure.

Do you think either of them would have agreed to it? Both missed their senior seasons too. It's tough to project how they would respond after having two whole years off from playing games.

(12-20-2012 12:13 PM)BrianPersky Wrote:  

(12-20-2012 11:51 AM)conaire Wrote:  BP our wins are not anything to shout about USF is horrible and that's the signature win IMO we should be at 10 to consider overachiehing. The problem I have is we e not made any adjustments for a decade. We have had similar teams that play without continuity and purpose. We are in the worse D1 basketball league in the Mac West and can't catch tourney fire. We will get in a crazy low level tourney because of our dominance over High Point and like and calls for success by Woodens 1 day chauffeur will be made

I don't even know where to begin dissecting this post.

I can only shake my head...

BP it's pretty straightforward Apparently a difference of opinion What is our signature win ? Is the MAC west not one of the worst bball conferences ? Has Hawks teams not have problems with adjustments ? Is our schedule a dominating one ? Brought with great respect

I think we just disagree. But I do appreciate the way you phrase your statements on this board, and apologize if I came on too strong. It's ok to disagree, just as long as the debate is civil. I can respect that.

(12-20-2012 03:30 PM)EA3 Wrote:  Forgot to mention that this was the 2nd game in a row that we haven't seen Harris or Avery.

Which likely means that they are struggling with defense and/or rebounding in practice. I hope these two figure out they HAVE to make an impact in both those areas if they want to play. I believe our ceiling is higher with them on the floor, even if it's 10 mpg each.

Remember that neither Harris & Avery played their senior year of HS. I cant imagine sitting for two years so I am sure they were ready to get off the bench.