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Another senseless, horrible, impossible to understsand, mass shooting. None of us know the answers, none of us know why, none of us know anything. Prayers and tears to the families victimized.

Can't go in public without thinking this could be it these days. And no, it's not because the "news is better at covering now", it's happening more.

Just sickening. Horrified, disturbed, saddened, sickened and angered. I have nothing more to say.

Politicians don't want to do anything about gun control, and they don't want to fund mental health care. Recipe for more of what we had today.

(12-14-2012 03:01 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Can't go in public without thinking this could be it these days. And no, it's not because the "news is better at covering now", it's happening more.

I hate to say this but I will. Just had a conversation the other day where a friend suggested that this (all these shootings) is just the beginning and it will get worse. With the bad economy and people struggling, too many are stressed out. If that person has mental health issues, it can get deadly.

What we should be talking about as a nation is a serious lack of mental health facilities and a mental health system. Hopefully, somebody will start that conversation.

When I turned on the TV and saw the story, I got an all too familiar sick feeling in my gut. And anger. I can't fathom the depths of the grief those families are going through. Thoughts and prayers to those who lost loved ones in Connecticut.

We have to focus on the mental illness that's so pervasive. If we can't solve this we are doomed as a society.

So tragic and sad.

I dont fear for myself as such as those coming behind me.

I concur that there is an escalating occurance and it isnt because reporting is more frequent and faster.

It's not gun control related though there are arguments not to sell AK 47's, anti tank guns and sniper rifles to the general public.

Are there more folk suffering from mental illness or are we able to more easily diagnosis such (advancement in diagnosis and a more liberal expansion of the definition)?

What is the root cause(s)?

I finally let myself watch the news just now and I just was overwhelmed with emotions.

I agree the mental health issue is critical. The thing is we as a society convinced ourselves of a big lie: that mass deinstitutionalization was a good thing. If we had comprehensive community based mental health programs, it could be. But.....our half-assed approach will not work. My 18 year old daughter and I watched the news and cried, so sad for those parents and kids. Beyond belief.

I know most of you are nuts, but I'll solicit your advice anyway. Do you think first graders will have exposure to this story at school next week (at recess maybe?)

So far I've not had the news on around my son in the car or on tv. I don't want to worry him...but don't want him to get worried by someone else. Any advice would be great.

The kid was autistic. What, we lock all the autistic kids up when they turn eighteen?

Dont know if there's a solution to any of this. For some its their fifteen minutes of fame. For others, killing and death are seen regularly at movies and on video games. They may not even see the reality of it all. For some of these young people we may be talking early stages of schizophrenia.

But really, what are you going to do? Most of the people who have committed these shootings had no records and were not showing outward signs that they were on the verge of doing something.

Gun control. Might slow it down. But if someone wants to commit murder there are alternatives to guns.

A little more religion in our lives, a little more condemnation of some of todays music, movies, and video games. No, I'm not advocating censorship, but possibly a little political pressure on Hollywood to lessen the violence.

(12-14-2012 08:06 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  The kid was autistic. What, we lock all the autistic kids up when they turn eighteen?

Dont know if there's a solution to any of this. For some its their fifteen minutes of fame. For others, killing and death are seen regularly at movies and on video games. They may not even see the reality of it all. For some of these young people we may be talking early stages of schizophrenia.

But really, what are you going to do? Most of the people who have committed these shootings had no records and were not showing outward signs that they were on the verge of doing something.

Gun control. Might slow it down. But if someone wants to commit murder there are alternatives to guns.

A little more religion in our lives, a little more condemnation of some of todays music, movies, and video games. No, I'm not advocating censorship, but possible a little political pressure on Hollywood to lessen the violence.

That's interesting, I had read he had mental health issues, I did not see it defined as autistic. No, we shouldn't lock people up per se, but we do need a full array of mental health services, including residential if needed.

Quote:Investigators believe that this shooting was the result of a conflict between he and his mother that was developing for a long time -- killing her and then killing what she loved most -- her students.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57...-possible/

(12-14-2012 07:44 PM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  I know most of you are nuts, but I'll solicit your advice anyway. Do you think first graders will have exposure to this story at school next week (at recess maybe?)

So far I've not had the news on around my son in the car or on tv. I don't want to worry him...but don't want him to get worried by someone else. Any advice would be great.

I don't think I would address it at that age. If it's brought up on the playground, then address it once you find out. I highly highly doubt it will be brought up in a first grade classroom.

Words can't express how I feel about this situation. So horrible.

(12-14-2012 07:44 PM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  I know most of you are nuts, but I'll solicit your advice anyway. Do you think first graders will have exposure to this story at school next week (at recess maybe?)

So far I've not had the news on around my son in the car or on tv. I don't want to worry him...but don't want him to get worried by someone else. Any advice would be great.

http://t.today.com/moms/how-talk-kids-ab...-1C7616034

I read some of the background of the story online, and that's all I'm willing to do. Not up to the task (emotionally) of watching the local news stations pour it on with video, etc.

Like many here, I love being highly informed, but there's the Catch 22: You have to digest lots of news, and news is usually awful.

Months of election politicking, fighting and social media mudslinging. Soon thereafter, locally, ugly fights and images from the union protests in Lansing. A mall shooting in Portland. And then the caper of them all - a mass shooting of small children. A whackjob, but he was intelligent enough to know exactly where to strike society at its most vulnerable. It's frightening to think how one could try to "top" that.

(12-14-2012 09:41 PM)BCBronco Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 07:44 PM)Hiller4Hyz09 Wrote:  I know most of you are nuts, but I'll solicit your advice anyway. Do you think first graders will have exposure to this story at school next week (at recess maybe?)

So far I've not had the news on around my son in the car or on tv. I don't want to worry him...but don't want him to get worried by someone else. Any advice would be great.

http://t.today.com/moms/how-talk-kids-ab...-1C7616034

Thank you BCB. I know my son is on the more reserved side, and I guess I worry about questions he might not be asking. But I think EA3 is right in this case. Thank you both.

I am so glad I don't listen to the radio and didn't have to find out about this horror until my wife told me. I just can't get over someone killing children. I hate people sometimes.

I will not have this discussion with my daughter. Life will destroy her innocence fast enough without me giving her the impression that the kindergarten classroom "could be a war zone."

However, I might have this discussion with her. "If you are ever in a situation where you feel there is no adult to protect you, and you feel you are in grave danger. RUN away as fast as you can."

I was watching former NYPD Detective Bo Deedle tonight. He was one of the homicide investigators at a 9 person crime scene. He stated that it was clear that once the killer had begun shooting people nobody moved. He simply walked up to each one and plugged them in the head. He suspects that these children froze as well, which one would expect.

One last thing. I've listened to some of these teachers stories. I've heard nothing but wonderful things from the parents at the school in relation to how their child's teacher handled this. No one panicked, everyone put the children ahead of themself. The principal who was killed had 5 kids.

I AM SICK AND TIRED OF TEACHERS BEING THE WHIPPING BOYS OF EVERY BEER SWILLING LOSER WHO THINKS THE WORLD OWES THEM AN EQUALLY GOOD LIVING REGARDLESS OF WHAT KIND OF UNEDUCATED MORON THEY ARE.

I have taught my daughter that if someone tries to take her our hurt her to yell fire, run, bite, kick, go for the balls or whatever it takes to get away. She's 4. To have to teach children this is a sad fact of our world today. I talk to her about this once a week.

(12-14-2012 08:06 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  The kid was autistic. What, we lock all the autistic kids up when they turn eighteen?

Dont know if there's a solution to any of this. For some its their fifteen minutes of fame. For others, killing and death are seen regularly at movies and on video games. They may not even see the reality of it all. For some of these young people we may be talking early stages of schizophrenia.

But really, what are you going to do? Most of the people who have committed these shootings had no records and were not showing outward signs that they were on the verge of doing something.

Gun control. Might slow it down. But if someone wants to commit murder there are alternatives to guns.

A little more religion in our lives, a little more condemnation of some of todays music, movies, and video games. No, I'm not advocating censorship, but possibly a little political pressure on Hollywood to lessen the violence.

Lamest cop out post ever. "But really, what are you going to do?". WHAT?!