Will presidents of C-USA schools be reluctant to join with current nBE schools due to lack of trust in future dealings?

How will MWC presidents look at dealing with Boise St and SDSU presidents?

I also saw it mentioned that retiring ECU AD, Mr. Holland, could be the commish of a newly formed conference. If I were a school president sitting in a meeting with him, I would wonder what he really has in mind. While he's telling me one thing he very likely would be planning something entirely different.

I don't think anybody will trust anybody right now, no matter what conference you're in. Cinci and UConn have spoken out to say that want in the ACC. ECU, Tulane, SMU, Houston, UCF, Temple, Boise, SDSt have all bailed on who they're going back to. UTEP, Tulsa, and Rice have supposedly had talks with MWC. I wouldn't trust anyone in today's landscape.

It's nothing against these schools. We are all doing what's best for us, but that's the point. What's best for me likely isn't what's best for you.

(12-13-2012 02:57 PM)herdfan2013 Wrote:  I don't think anybody will trust anybody right now, no matter what conference you're in. Cinci and UConn have spoken out to say that want in the ACC. ECU, Tulane, SMU, Houston, UCF, Temple, Boise, SDSt have all bailed on who they're going back to. UTEP, Tulsa, and Rice have supposedly had talks with MWC. I wouldn't trust anyone in today's landscape.

It's nothing against these schools. We are all doing what's best for us, but that's the point. What's best for me likely isn't what's best for you.

True enough. Makes it difficult for all schools though when you are negotiating for new members while also plotting your own exit. Applies to all schools including mine. I don't see how any of us agree to anything anymore.

The only thing important in future conference dealings:

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

So... I guess the question is, if the all most BE Conference invites your (our) school would you want your (our) school to accept the invite? I am not sure I would... looking forward to ODU, Charlotte and MTSU. Wonder about stability and who would be there once you got there. CUSA looking more stable now, but will miss ECU & playing Cincy would be nice. I don't Cincy fans (admin) want anything to do with Marshall. I lean hard toward staying put.

I just wonder what's going on in Poker-Face Bobs head right now. Is he leaning towards a mwc return or do we stay with cusa. Personally, I'm fine either way it just upsets me a little to play so many start-ups (or maybe it's good for us since we can't beat the older teams, ha). But seriously, what are you thinking Bob?

Trust is not and will not be there with anyone ever. Every school in the country is out for themselves. Unless you are in the Pac, SEC, or Big there is no such thing as security. Every school prez knows that.

Remember the episode of South Park where we discovered just how politicians made their decisions on the economy:



I trust this process more than I trust some of these presidents and athletic directors right now.

Really...At this point what has changed for SDSU and Boise St. Why is everyone so sure they will be going back to the MWC???

Trust? If that were the case, there wouldn't be conference contracts with stipulations, clauses, etc. containing exit fees, entrance fees, negotiated TV cuts, and every side deal imagined. It's always been a business, just now maybe a little more cutthroat than before.

Everyone should bring their chains and lead pipes to the table.

(12-13-2012 05:38 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Really...At this point what has changed for SDSU and Boise St. Why is everyone so sure they will be going back to the MWC???

Football playing Rutgers and Louisville left.

every one in CUSA Bail on the former Conference and will due it again it they believe making a better move..

Why did UTEP join CUSA in 2005? Because it was perceived by the AD to be the best option for UTEP.

Why did "the defectors" leave CUSA? Because it was perceived to be the best option for their respective schools.

Schools don't join any conference because they want to help that conference. Every school wants to improve their own position. Some schools may "stick together" because they believe they are more valuable as a package.

There isn't a school anywhere who wouldn't join any conference if they believed it was their best option. If UCLA could make more money in the Sunbelt, then they would join it.

In the end every schools is looking out for themselves. As fans we may get butthurt because our school was left behind, but we'd leave others behind just as quickly if we found a better situation.

(12-13-2012 05:38 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Trust? If that were the case, there wouldn't be conference contracts with stipulations, clauses, etc. containing exit fees, entrance fees, negotiated TV cuts, and every side deal imagined. It's always been a business, just now maybe a little more cutthroat than before.

Everyone should bring their chains and lead pipes to the table.

I hope our ad (if we are so lucky to be included in any talks) brings pipes, chains and a several pistols.
We have learned first hand how much trust there is.

(12-13-2012 05:50 PM)Thegoldstandard Wrote:  

(12-13-2012 05:38 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  Trust? If that were the case, there wouldn't be conference contracts with stipulations, clauses, etc. containing exit fees, entrance fees, negotiated TV cuts, and every side deal imagined. It's always been a business, just now maybe a little more cutthroat than before.

Everyone should bring their chains and lead pipes to the table.

I hope our ad (if we are so lucky to be included in any talks) brings pipes, chains and a several pistols.
We have learned first hand how much trust there is.

Just get in a league with the BE football schools, whatever MWC schools are floating around, stipulate no exit fees, throw in entrance fees of a few thousand per team--enough for a website and someone to answer the phone and be the commissioner--call it the BFDL, Big Five Development League, and call it a day.

Just make the distrust open. That's about how I see the future.

(12-13-2012 05:38 PM)ECU-DMB Fanatic Wrote:  Really...At this point what has changed for SDSU and Boise St. Why is everyone so sure they will be going back to the MWC???

Can't really be sure. If the money is as low for the nBE as speculation would have it, then they may not find it worthwile to stick it out. They do have a good landing place in the MWC and Boise St would no longer be on the hook to pay for Big West travel which is supposed to be about $500k per season I believe. The BE is on the hook to help them with that. But who knows, they may stay and the new FB conference may work for them. Money is the key and I'm not buying the idea of 5 to 6 million per school anymore.

this whole thing is like a big game of Survivor. Words like trust and alliance are thrown around willy-nilly, and then folks are amazed when they get voted off the island.
I've got no faith in any of y'all.