(12-13-2012 01:32 PM)slow-runner Wrote:  

(12-13-2012 01:14 PM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  I could be wrong but I really don't see a new conference forming. No TV deal, no bowl affiliations. Also have to remember that the NCAA will not grant an auto-bid in basketball for 6 years on new conferences. Not to mention that the "Group of five" contractually is already in place. Would a new conference automatically be included in the "Group of five"? I dunno.

This thing could go so many different directions. Its really hard to tell what will happen with all of this.

I really don't see what the big deal is. The C7 will take the BE name and the NCAA will make an exception for the other nBE BBall programs somehow, some way.

The BE FBS programs will still have a league and take the Football TV deals and bowl tie-ins with them to whatever new name they wish.

The football TV contracts and bball contracts are all negotiated separately. Since it's very well split between the sports it should be pretty easy to create a true nBE.

The nBE bball programs will have to find a home or create one. But that's just a momentary issue. A new nBE all sports league will most likely be created. The number if FBS conferences will remain the same.

Nothing changes except the nBE bball and c7 bball split.

The NCAA will cave regarding auto-bids because this is such a significant event. They always do.

...sanest post I have read in quite some time...+2 sir

(12-13-2012 10:50 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  

(12-13-2012 07:17 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  

(12-13-2012 07:07 PM)Tulsafanzz Wrote:  For Todge, CUSA can't keep UTEP or Tulsa or Rice, etc. from leaving CUSA for the MWC.

Don't see CUSA giving ECU or Tulane a quick exit in exchange for something they have no control over.

this is correct so really either way the members of CUSA are looking at the potential of losing a year of autobids for all sports that do not have a play-in with the exception of mens BB and depending on who leaves, how many, and when also facing from one to three years of not having a mens BB autobid

the BE football schools also have another trick they could try very similar to what the BE basketball schools are considering......invite at least 4 out of the 6 of Rice, UAB, USM, Marshall, Tulsa, and UTEP immediately and then have those 4, ECU and Tulane, (and UH, SMU, Memphis, and UCF) vote immediately to dissolve the conference

as of now ECU and Tulane ARE voting members of CUSA even if UH, SMU, Memphis, and UCF are not

and ECU, Tulane, + 4 would be 6 against 2 and I am not positive what the requirements are for the CUSA to vote to dissolve, but 6 against 2 is 75% of the members voting to dissolve

the one issue is if the 8 years of "continuity" applies to FBS conferences or if it ONLY applies to "multi-sport" conferences and multi-sport conferences are considered conferences that DO NOT sponsor football

if FBS conferences are considered multi-sport conferences IN ADDITION to a FBS then there would still be a continuity issue for 8 years and thus no mens BB autobid for 8 years

if FBS conferences are NOT multi-sport conferences and are only FBS conferences and have specific rules different from multi-sport conferences then the dissolution of the CUSA and at least 6 members of the CUSA staying together and forming a new conference would allow all those members (and any that joined them) to have immediate autobids in ALL sports

Once ECU & Tulane made it known they were leaving for BE they became non-voting members

with 6 voting members then all the BE football schools would have to do is invite 5 out of the 6 remaining CUSA schools and they would still have 83.3% of the vote

or they could invite 3 and convince the MWC to invite two and have 83.3% of the vote

(12-13-2012 10:40 PM)BkGold Wrote:  

(12-13-2012 02:00 PM)99Tiger Wrote:  Sorry, but you're a fool. There's a lot more name recognition in nBE an nCUSA, and it will count for something. If you don't realize that, either look at it through non-green glasses or change majors. Not saying the numbers will be huge...but I would still expect them to be better than nCUSA.

Obviously contracts will be amended. The nBE would most likely get an auto-bid based on extenuating circumstances...but really wouldn't need one anyway and would still get more teams in the tournament each year than CUSA 3.0. Bowl bids will have to be fought for, but I'm positive the Liberty would sign quickly.

Memphis won't be back...you can count on that.

You know, I hope you guys get want you want. Take your basketball to the A 10 and FB to the BigSky where it belongs. "Extenuating circumstances"

Bitter?

Yes, I said extenuating circumstances...just like how the NCAA has granted things like the WAC playing with fewer members than it should have...or teams having accelerated FBS membership.

...and hey, we're not the one who went 0-12 and got destroyed by a team you feel is fit for the Big Sky...

I wouldn't normally go there, but you know, "extenuating circumstances."

automatic bid???? seriously?????? whichever way these conferences end up, the least of their worry is the automatic bid, they will always get an at large , the only question is which conference will get more at large bids??????? WHO GIVES AN EFF ABOUT THE AUTOMATIC? it is more likely than not to happen

Some of the schools that were members of the Misssouri Valley Conferenc in the timeline 1959-1972--some left early--some left later

North Texas
Houston
Cincinatti
Tulsa
Louisville
Memphis
Wichita State
New Mexico State

(12-13-2012 01:34 PM)cotton1991 Wrote:  

(12-13-2012 01:31 PM)TheNorthTexan Wrote:  There will be no new conference. They don't have 5 members to let them form a new conference, they will get no bowl tie-ins, (SBC and CUSA will eat all the tie-ins) and there is no logical reason to give them any TV dollars, when it isn't even a regional conference, more like the NCAA Minor Leagues. CUSA, MWC and SBC have regionalisy going, that's how they get TV money. A country wide B conference will get no money. Plus, NCAA clearly said no new auto bids. It's over. Come back, or start a rivalry with Idaho.

The football schools are:

SMU
Memphis
Cincy
UConn
Houston
ECU
USF
UCF
Temple

That's 9. USM would jump in a heartbeat to make it 10. Sounds ok to me.

You threw out Tulane?? They're a football school.. Supposedly

(12-13-2012 01:32 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  ECU and Memphis begged, pleaded, got on their knees to do whatever it took to get to the BE. Now look at what begging got you.

whoa whoa cowboy, we didnt beg or plead we just happened to be percieved as the biggest midget in the room at the time they called with mo money and we are po. i was one of the very few that posted we shouldnt leave cusa. i didnt wanna hang out with those yankees and i pull for southern miss when they arent playing my tigers. now that the 7 are gone the place looks a whole lot better.

pump the brakes brother. some of our idiot basketball fans were all over it but not all memphis fans.

(12-14-2012 02:22 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(12-13-2012 01:32 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  ECU and Memphis begged, pleaded, got on their knees to do whatever it took to get to the BE. Now look at what begging got you.

whoa whoa cowboy, we didnt beg or plead we just happened to be percieved as the biggest midget in the room at the time they called with mo money and we are po. i was one of the very few that posted we shouldnt leave cusa. i didnt wanna hang out with those yankees and i pull for southern miss when they arent playing my tigers. now that the 7 are gone the place looks a whole lot better.

pump the brakes brother. some of our idiot basketball fans were all over it but not all memphis fans.

Ok you didnt beg, your absolutely correct. It was more like groveling.

(12-14-2012 07:23 AM)cyc46 Wrote:  

(12-14-2012 02:22 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(12-13-2012 01:32 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  ECU and Memphis begged, pleaded, got on their knees to do whatever it took to get to the BE. Now look at what begging got you.

whoa whoa cowboy, we didnt beg or plead we just happened to be percieved as the biggest midget in the room at the time they called with mo money and we are po. i was one of the very few that posted we shouldnt leave cusa. i didnt wanna hang out with those yankees and i pull for southern miss when they arent playing my tigers. now that the 7 are gone the place looks a whole lot better.

pump the brakes brother. some of our idiot basketball fans were all over it but not all memphis fans.

Ok you didnt beg, your absolutely correct. It was more like groveling.

Hate to interject some reality, but a conference which features Cincinnati, Houston, Boise, UCF, ECU, and SMU in football as well as Memphis, Temple, UConn, Cincinnati in hoops is still a big step up from CUSA. I hope USM gets added and yes, they would jump at the chance to play Houston and Boise over La Tech and UTSA.

Without that about bid to the Access bowls that the BE previous had its not nearly as big of a deal as you make it out to be. Personally I wouldnt want to spend 7 mil to leave CUSA just to get 2 to 3 mil a year in the new conference. Also incase you forgot SMU ECU UCF and Houston are all having problems with football lately (last several years). Cincy has a new coach and Boise wasnt your big time Boise this year. I think the non 5 arms race in football is a lot closer than you think.

(12-14-2012 07:57 AM)cyc46 Wrote:  Without that about bid to the Access bowls that the BE previous had its not nearly as big of a deal as you make it out to be. Personally I wouldnt want to spend 7 mil to leave CUSA just to get 2 to 3 mil a year in the new conference. Also incase you forgot SMU ECU UCF and Houston are all having problems with football lately (last several years). Cincy has a new coach and Boise wasnt your big time Boise this year. I think the non 5 arms race in football is a lot closer than you think.

Houston was down this season, but UCF, Houston, SMU, and ECU over the past five seasons have been pretty damned good overall. Last I checked UCF was in the conference championship game this year as well as the season before last I believe. Houston was ranked most of last season....

Boise was down a bit this season but was still ranked in the top 20....


I think what you are stating is not what you think will happen but what you hope will happen.

I really don't think MWC teams are going to want to make a new conference with what's left of the BE. Suppose they do give it a try and then it's likely UCONN & Cincy leave for ACC then something happens then ACC needs to add even more eastern schools and the BE will be left with CUSA/Sun Belt teams

I guess we're still all waiting to see what Boise and SDSU do. I'm not as confident as others they'll go back the the MWC. I don't think they want to give up the chance to get the AQ bowl in 2013 and still think they can build a 'best of the rest' conference. If they stay in nBE, I suspect MWC/CUSA lose 1 to 3 more schools. If that happens I think there's a good chance a large chunk of CUSA West goes to MWC.

I think alliance talks should be back on in that case. Might be a little unwieldy, but it would provide some further stability and protect against future raids. Of course, if MWC goes to 16 that could accomplish the same thing for them.

(12-14-2012 08:27 AM)JustAnotherAustinOwl Wrote:  I guess we're still all waiting to see what Boise and SDSU do. I'm not as confident as others they'll go back the the MWC. I don't think they want to give up the chance to get the AQ bowl in 2013 and still think they can build a 'best of the rest' conference. If they stay in nBE, I suspect MWC/CUSA lose 1 to 3 more schools. If that happens I think there's a good chance a large chunk of CUSA West goes to MWC.

I think alliance talks should be back on in that case. Might be a little unwieldy, but it would provide some further stability and protect against future raids. Of course, if MWC goes to 16 that could accomplish the same thing for them.

SDSU & Boise can stay, but I don't know that any other MWC school will follow them east. SDSU might not have a choice because of the way they burned their bridges in MWC

If we've llearned anything from nBE and the old WAC, it's that once the numbers get too large it probably won't work. Too many competing interests.

I think some Conf USA posters who are pleased with the demise of the BE should not laugh to hard at this point. Everything that I am hearing indicates that the teams left in BE want to create a best of what is left league. It is entirely possible that more Conf-USA teams get added to it. I could easily see Southern Miss and Tulsa getting an invite l. If that happens what is to keep UTEP and others from going to the MWC.

Sure what is left in the BE is down for the moment. But I for one hope that ECU never returns to Conf USA . We may of course, but the realignment stuff is far from over. I bet the people in the Conf USA front office are more nervous than some posters on this board.

(12-13-2012 02:45 PM)99Tiger Wrote:  

(12-13-2012 02:22 PM)SVHerd Wrote:  UConn willl jump to the ACC and Cincy wants out as well. Boise wants nothing to do with it now. The football schools are screwed in a year. You can put lipstick on a pig, but its still a pig. I love it. squirm baby, squirm!

There is no solidarity with the leftovers and certainly no cohesiveness. They are toast!

Whatever helps you sleep at night, buddy.

UConn and Cincy left no ambiguity about their desire to join the ACC...but you can't sell if no one is buying...

...and about our tarted-up pig...I bet your AD has already called about joining us.

Exactly it doesn't matter how badly they want to leave, someone has to want them. ECU fans know this all too well. Our administration has been outspoken for years about wanting to get us out of C-USA, and it took years for it to finally happen and some luck. Those 2 have no options unless the leagues above make more moves. Maybe they will, but until they do it's either stick with the group, go indy, or maybe join the MAC FB only and try to ask the Catholic schools to let them in for everything else.

(12-14-2012 09:08 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  I think some Conf USA posters who are pleased with the demise of the BE should not laugh to hard at this point. Everything that I am hearing indicates that the teams left in BE want to create a best of what is left league. It is entirely possible that more Conf-USA teams get added to it. I could easily see Southern Miss and Tulsa getting an invite l. If that happens what is to keep UTEP and others from going to the MWC.

Sure what is left in the BE is down for the moment. But I for one hope that ECU never returns to Conf USA . We may of course, but the realignment stuff is far from over. I bet the people in the Conf USA front office are more nervous than some posters on this board.

I hope yall consider Tech at that point

I think that L Tech was actually the best add to Conf USA.