This is just a power play.

More 'proof' to relax.

Quote:The Temple beat writer at the Philly Inq confirmed with the Temple AD this morning that Temple has been a full voting member since 7/1/12. So the basketball schools do not have the 2/3rds majority to dissolve. A little homework by some of these national writers would have gone a long way with this story.

(12-11-2012 10:06 AM)wh49er Wrote:  The fact that you think UCF will ever past Xavier's basketball program shows your delusion.

Considering almost every move in expansion has been about money, that just shows your ignorance. Money talks and bull **** walks, so the question is who would you attach your athletic programs to for the next 20 years or more? Who do you think TV will want?

School A: 50 million dollar budget, large school, fast growing state

or

School B: 13 million dollar budget, smaller school, dying state

Pretty simple which schools have the greater long-term potential and those that do not.

The thing you don't get is all it would take is one bad AD or coach hire at a place like Xavier to derail most everything they have build with in a year. Happens every year somewhere to proud programs, USM football is just the latest. The replacements are never a sure thing to maximize profits success on shoestring budgets like the predecessors did and the margin of error is a lot less when they are consistently hiring coaches and on limited funds.

With a school like UCF at least you know they will always have far greater revenue as that doesn't dry up as fast as success can, and with it the money to hire quality coaches and replacements in every sport and far greater longterm potential. UCF is the safter longterm partner from strictly a business sense. The catholic thing is the only real question mark.

(12-11-2012 09:46 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  I love the excuses and rationalizations from the defectors. LOL What have some of us been saying?

You guys have been saying it for 9 years.

(12-11-2012 11:00 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  More 'proof' to relax.

Quote:The Temple beat writer at the Philly Inq confirmed with the Temple AD this morning that Temple has been a full voting member since 7/1/12. So the basketball schools do not have the 2/3rds majority to dissolve. A little homework by some of these national writers would have gone a long way with this story.

May be a stupid question but what is to keep Temple from voting with BB schools and staying in BE for that while sending football back to MAC, they are still at 13?

No matter what blows the BE takes, losing schools like UL, hearing of meetings by the unhappy non-fb schools, reports of low estimates for tv contracts, doesn't matter what it is, it all points to an even stronger more valuable BE. It's amazing. I'm pretty sure the tv contract will go up to more than the ACC contract because of this latest news. It just has to.

(12-11-2012 09:32 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Expect the Big East to reload from C-USA and/or MWC if this happens. If they can't pull anyone from the MWC at that point, I could see SDSU and BSU going back. If that happens, I think Navy will stay Indy.

ECU
UConn
Cincy
USF
UCF
Temple
Memphis

USM
Houston
SMU
UTEP
La Tech
Tulane
Tulsa

Probably makes too much sense to happen though. LOL!

I know you have to exclude somebody, but I can't believe that a 14 member Big East without the basketball schools, and without Boise/SDSU would still not find room for Marshall.

its a message board utep will not be in the big east and if Boise St and SD state are not in the big east and go to Mtn west so will Houston , Smu, and UTep

(12-11-2012 11:36 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  No matter what blows the BE takes, losing schools like UL, hearing of meetings by the unhappy non-fb schools, reports of low estimates for tv contracts, doesn't matter what it is, it all points to an even stronger more valuable BE. It's amazing. I'm pretty sure the tv contract will go up to more than the ACC contract because of this latest news. It just has to.

It ls been the same song from nBE members since the original raid. Im still waiting for SOMEONE to say something like "dosnt matter, still gets to play ECU, Houston or whoever."

Id love to see USM in the nBE but not for $$....i want to see us in so we keep our rivals.

(12-11-2012 11:39 AM)trailherd Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 09:32 AM)USM@FTL Wrote:  Expect the Big East to reload from C-USA and/or MWC if this happens. If they can't pull anyone from the MWC at that point, I could see SDSU and BSU going back. If that happens, I think Navy will stay Indy.

ECU
UConn
Cincy
USF
UCF
Temple
Memphis

USM
Houston
SMU
UTEP
La Tech
Tulane
Tulsa

Probably makes too much sense to happen though. LOL!

I know you have to exclude somebody, but I can't believe that a 14 member Big East without the basketball schools, and without Boise/SDSU would still not find room for Marshall.

Maybe after UConn and Cincy leave?

(12-11-2012 11:00 AM)JDTulane Wrote:  More 'proof' to relax.

Quote:The Temple beat writer at the Philly Inq confirmed with the Temple AD this morning that Temple has been a full voting member since 7/1/12. So the basketball schools do not have the 2/3rds majority to dissolve. A little homework by some of these national writers would have gone a long way with this story.

Thanks for that find. Don't you think the Catholic AD's and president's knew they didn't have the numbers before they had this meeting? If so, what was this meeting for and/or what where they trying to prove?

Looks like a waste of time to me unless they are thinking about breaking-away, but then they'd be leaving a lot of money on the table. Nope, they're stuck between a rock and a hard place.

(12-11-2012 11:45 AM)eagleriffic Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 11:36 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  No matter what blows the BE takes, losing schools like UL, hearing of meetings by the unhappy non-fb schools, reports of low estimates for tv contracts, doesn't matter what it is, it all points to an even stronger more valuable BE. It's amazing. I'm pretty sure the tv contract will go up to more than the ACC contract because of this latest news. It just has to.

It ls been the same song from nBE members since the original raid. Im still waiting for SOMEONE to say something like "dosnt matter, still gets to play ECU, Houston or whoever."

Id love to see USM in the nBE but not for $$....i want to see us in so we keep our rivals.

That's my feeling about it. I know there isn't going to be some truly golden ticket anymore by getting in the Big East, but I like the idea of being in a league with UCF, USF, and Temple on the east coast. I'd like rejoining with Cincy and being in a league with Navy and UCONN if that ever actually happens. The rest of the schools aside from Boise and SDSU (who would go back to the MWC most likely if all this actually went down) we've been with for a while. If this turns into a reformed C-USA then that's fine by me as it would look a little more like C-USA 1 than what C-USA looks like now.

ECU vs Tulane is ECU vs Tulane no matter what conference your in. You could be in the SEC and people would still not care.

(12-11-2012 11:52 AM)cyc46 Wrote:  ECU vs Tulane is ECU vs Tulane no matter what conference your in. You could be in the SEC and people would still not care.

....and in 2004 people on this board said that CUSA 2.0 would be as good or better than the new Big East at the time and that Rutgers and USF would still be Rutgers and USF. I'm pretty sure both of those schools were in the top 10 a couple years later playing each other. You can say money doesn't matter but the better bowl access and money pretty much transformed that conference and it was always far better than CUSA. Those program fueling mechanisms are still there, or at least still strong enough to keep it a lot better than the rest of the non top 5 conferences.

(12-11-2012 09:41 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  Neat story considering our RPI has averaged about 120 out of 345 under Lebo and is currently around the top 100 again.

The potential and money flowing into the athletic budgets of schools like Memphis, UCF, Temple etc these hoops schools will start competing with moving forward is still going to be a lot better than the crap like St Joe's they could replace them with.

Football drives the bus and fills the bank, and without the association they are really limited, both TV wise and with longterm completion. Let them go align with Xavier and their 13 million dollar budget and hope they can keep producing longterm on chump change when schools like UCF, Memphis, Houston etc will soon be pushing 50 million dollar budgets and have the much brighter futures, and are the safer bets.

Only idiots leave a neighborhood with half a million dollar homes to go to one with 130k dollar ones if you want to keep the value of your house high.

Spin it any way you like. The BE basketball schools want absolutely nothing to do with ECU.

(12-11-2012 12:03 PM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 11:52 AM)cyc46 Wrote:  ECU vs Tulane is ECU vs Tulane no matter what conference your in. You could be in the SEC and people would still not care.

....and in 2004 people on this board said that CUSA 2.0 would be as good or better than the new Big East at the time and that Rutgers and USF would still be Rutgers and USF. I'm pretty sure both of those schools were in the top 10 a couple years later playing each other. You can say money doesn't matter but the better bowl access and money pretty much transformed that conference and it was always far better than CUSA. Those program fueling mechanisms are still there, or at least still strong enough to keep it a lot better than the rest of the non top 5 conferences.

A few weeks ago NBE posters were saying they were going to get more money than the ACC and keep their access bowl too.

(12-11-2012 11:52 AM)cyc46 Wrote:  ECU vs Tulane is ECU vs Tulane no matter what conference your in. You could be in the SEC and people would still not care.

And your point is? That can be said for any number of games in any number of conferences. ECU vs UCF/USF/Temple/Cincy might be valuable and certainly more interesting to ECU fans than games against FIU, FAU, MTSU, etc. Yeah I'd rather play USM and Marshall than most of the Big East, but that alone doesn't make up for the rest of the league.

(12-11-2012 12:26 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  And your point is? That can be said for any number of games in any number of conferences. ECU vs UCF/USF/Temple/Cincy might be valuable and certainly more interesting to ECU fans than games against FIU, FAU, MTSU, etc. Yeah I'd rather play USM and Marshall than most of the Big East, but that alone doesn't make up for the rest of the league.

If the Big East holds together, where's ECU going to play its hoops?

More than likely the big south

(12-11-2012 12:41 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 12:26 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  And your point is? That can be said for any number of games in any number of conferences. ECU vs UCF/USF/Temple/Cincy might be valuable and certainly more interesting to ECU fans than games against FIU, FAU, MTSU, etc. Yeah I'd rather play USM and Marshall than most of the Big East, but that alone doesn't make up for the rest of the league.

If the Big East holds together, where's ECU going to play its hoops?

Christenbury Gym

(12-11-2012 11:16 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(12-11-2012 10:06 AM)wh49er Wrote:  The fact that you think UCF will ever past Xavier's basketball program shows your delusion.

Considering almost every move in expansion has been about money, that just shows your ignorance. Money talks and bull **** walks, so the question is who would you attach your athletic programs to for the next 20 years or more? Who do you think TV will want?

School A: 50 million dollar budget, large school, fast growing state

or

School B: 13 million dollar budget, smaller school, dying state

Pretty simple which schools have the greater long-term potential and those that do not.

The thing you don't get is all it would take is one bad AD or coach hire at a place like Xavier to derail most everything they have build with in a year. Happens every year somewhere to proud programs, USM football is just the latest. The replacements are never a sure thing to maximize profits success on shoestring budgets like the predecessors did and the margin of error is a lot less when they are consistently hiring coaches and on limited funds.

With a school like UCF at least you know they will always have far greater revenue as that doesn't dry up as fast as success can, and with it the money to hire quality coaches and replacements in every sport and far greater longterm potential. UCF is the safter longterm partner from strictly a business sense. The catholic thing is the only real question mark.

(12-11-2012 09:46 AM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  I love the excuses and rationalizations from the defectors. LOL What have some of us been saying?

You guys have been saying it for 9 years.

I'm speaking strictly to basketball. As an overall athletic department yes, UCF will always be bigger and generate more revenue. They are a large public institution and Xavier is a small private school, different mindsets and purpose.


Xavier has 2 elite eights, 6 sweet sixteens, and 23 tournament appearances. They have top notch facilities and put guys in the NBA on a regular basis. If I am a program like Georgetown and Marquette, I'm attaching myself to like minded institutions with basketball histories.

I don't blame the basketball only schools for being ticked off, as the Big East is watering down their those school's most important product with the likes of Tulane, Boise State (1 good year doesn't make a program), and possibly ECU for the sake of a sport they don't even play. Once Cincy and UConn jump, Big East basketball is officially dead.