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How important is the UL game from a seeding standpoint?
We won't have a lot of opportunites to get good quality wins for our NCAA tournament resume. The other day I heard someone say that this game could be the difference between a 3/4 seed and an 8/9 seed.

At first blush that sounded like hyperbole. However, the more I thougth it about the more I think it might not be that much of a stretch. A single game SHOULDN'T make that much difference, but because of our situation and schedule I think it might actually could.
12-10-2012 01:49 PM
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RE: How important is the UL game from a seeding standpoint?
We win this, we have a lot of seeding options on the table.

We lose this, we'd have to almost win out to get on the upper 4 line or so...

Not many top 25 chances left.
Not many RPI top 50-100 chances left due to CUSA
12-10-2012 01:53 PM
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How important is the UL game from a seeding standpoint?
Winning it gives us cushion

Losing it we can still get a decent seed if we perform well from here on out.

We have a great chance to win but aren't expected to, so it's opportunity

The real pressure is on Louisville
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RE: How important is the UL game from a seeding standpoint?
very
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RE: How important is the UL game from a seeding standpoint?
A win over Louisville will be huge for seeding. And it will silence the Pastner has never beat a top team crowd.
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RE: How important is the UL game from a seeding standpoint?
If Memphis loses to Louisville, this team will be viewed in the vein of a "mid major" for seeding purposes.

If they lose to Louisville and then win out, they will be 31-3. Likely be a 4/5 seed. (unless Xavier is one of the best in the A10). Then a solid 4.

If lose to Louisville and lose 1-2 more games (29-5), high 5, low 6 seed.

If Lose to Louisville and lose 3-4 more games 27-7, 9/10 seed.

If Lose to Louisville and lose 5+ bubble.

If they beat Louisville and run the table, they will be 32-2. Good for the best 3 seed or worst 2 seed.

Beat UofL and lose 1 or 2 more (30-4) 3/4 seed.

Beat UofL and lose 3-4 more (28-6) 6/7 seed

Beat UofL and lose 5+ more 10 seed and bubble beyond that.
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RE: How important is the UL game from a seeding standpoint?
^ Sounds close, though if we beat Ville and run the table, I bet a mid 2 will be on the table.

But running the table is early talk. Let's win one at a time.

Just win baby.
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RE: How important is the UL game from a seeding standpoint?
(12-10-2012 02:24 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  If Memphis loses to Louisville, this team will be viewed in the vein of a "mid major" for seeding purposes.

If they lose to Louisville and then win out, they will be 31-3. Likely be a 4/5 seed. (unless Xavier is one of the best in the A10). Then a solid 4.

If lose to Louisville and lose 1-2 more games (29-5), high 5, low 6 seed.

If Lose to Louisville and lose 3-4 more games 27-7, 9/10 seed.

If Lose to Louisville and lose 5+ bubble.

If they beat Louisville and run the table, they will be 32-2. Good for the best 3 seed or worst 2 seed.

Beat UofL and lose 1 or 2 more (30-4) 3/4 seed.

Beat UofL and lose 3-4 more (28-6) 6/7 seed

Beat UofL and lose 5+ more 10 seed and bubble beyond that.

My head is spinning.
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RE: How important is the UL game from a seeding standpoint?
(12-10-2012 02:32 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  ^ Sounds close, though if we beat Ville and run the table, I bet a mid 2 will be on the table.

But running the table is early talk. Let's win one at a time.

Just win baby.

Yeah, a lot of factors come into play. IF any CUSA team (other than Memphis) could be worth a crap, that would help.

Looking at the other CUSA schools and results, Memphis might be the only RPI top 100 school when this shakes out later in the season.

Pathetic performances from these other schools. Best I can tell, USM's win over Western Kentucky is the marquee OOC win for those teams. As for bad losses, I can't even begin...
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RE: How important is the UL game from a seeding standpoint?
(12-10-2012 02:34 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(12-10-2012 02:32 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  ^ Sounds close, though if we beat Ville and run the table, I bet a mid 2 will be on the table.

But running the table is early talk. Let's win one at a time.

Just win baby.

Yeah, a lot of factors come into play. IF any CUSA team (other than Memphis) could be worth a crap, that would help.

Win 29 in a row and we should be one of the best 2's or possibly a 1 depending on how many the other top teams lose...

I would say a team from one of the power conferences would have to have at least than 5-6 losses for us to pass them if we only have 2. And if Louisville finishes the season after we beat them best in the Big East I can see a very good argument for a 1. BUT they will say their Center didn't play and discount the win unfortunately.
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RE: How important is the UL game from a seeding standpoint?
It will help.
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RE: How important is the UL game from a seeding standpoint?
(12-10-2012 02:42 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  
(12-10-2012 02:34 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  
(12-10-2012 02:32 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  ^ Sounds close, though if we beat Ville and run the table, I bet a mid 2 will be on the table.

But running the table is early talk. Let's win one at a time.

Just win baby.

Yeah, a lot of factors come into play. IF any CUSA team (other than Memphis) could be worth a crap, that would help.

Win 29 in a row and we should be one of the best 2's or possibly a 1 depending on how many the other top teams lose...

I would say a team from one of the power conferences would have to have at least than 5-6 losses for us to pass them if we only have 2. And if Louisville finishes the season after we beat them best in the Big East I can see a very good argument for a 1. BUT they will say their Center didn't play and discount the win unfortunately.

Problem ends up being: 31-0 vs. bad teams. 1-2 vs. good teams.

Even with Cal's teams (with a rep and tourney results under the belt) Memphis still was a two seed in 06-07 and 08-09 with 31-3 records.
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RE: How important is the UL game from a seeding standpoint?
(12-10-2012 02:45 PM)Mimi Wrote:  It will help.

Indeed.
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RE: How important is the UL game from a seeding standpoint?
(12-10-2012 02:24 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  If Memphis loses to Louisville, this team will be viewed in the vein of a "mid major" for seeding purposes.

If they lose to Louisville and then win out, they will be 31-3. Likely be a 4/5 seed. (unless Xavier is one of the best in the A10). Then a solid 4.

If lose to Louisville and lose 1-2 more games (29-5), high 5, low 6 seed.

If Lose to Louisville and lose 3-4 more games 27-7, 9/10 seed.

If Lose to Louisville and lose 5+ bubble.

If they beat Louisville and run the table, they will be 32-2. Good for the best 3 seed or worst 2 seed.

Beat UofL and lose 1 or 2 more (30-4) 3/4 seed.

Beat UofL and lose 3-4 more (28-6) 6/7 seed

Beat UofL and lose 5+ more 10 seed and bubble beyond that.

yeah, I was just going to say that if we beat Louisville....we pretty much have to win out. Losing a CUSA game would drop us about 2 seeds easy.
We'll also have to beat UT...although we should handily beat the bUTtchuggers the way they are playing right now.
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RE: How important is the UL game from a seeding standpoint?
If we lose this game and lose in Knoxville we will put together a solid 20-3 streak the rest of the season and receive an 8 seed. Sound familiar?
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(12-10-2012 03:00 PM)Brother Bluto Wrote:  If we lose this game and lose in Knoxville we will put together a solid 20-3 streak the rest of the season and receive an 8 seed. Sound familiar?

Can we play St. Louis?
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RE: How important is the UL game from a seeding standpoint?
(12-10-2012 02:24 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  If Memphis loses to Louisville, this team will be viewed in the vein of a "mid major" for seeding purposes.

If they lose to Louisville and then win out, they will be 31-3. Likely be a 4/5 seed. (unless Xavier is one of the best in the A10). Then a solid 4.

If lose to Louisville and lose 1-2 more games (29-5), high 5, low 6 seed.

If Lose to Louisville and lose 3-4 more games 27-7, 9/10 seed.

If Lose to Louisville and lose 5+ bubble.

If they beat Louisville and run the table, they will be 32-2. Good for the best 3 seed or worst 2 seed.

Beat UofL and lose 1 or 2 more (30-4) 3/4 seed.

Beat UofL and lose 3-4 more (28-6) 6/7 seed

Beat UofL and lose 5+ more 10 seed and bubble beyond that.

LOL if we beat Louisville and win out (32-2) we will be a #1 seed, and possibly the top #1 seed at that. Our RPI at worse would be 2nd in the country.
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RE: How important is the UL game from a seeding standpoint?
(12-10-2012 03:51 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  
(12-10-2012 02:24 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  If Memphis loses to Louisville, this team will be viewed in the vein of a "mid major" for seeding purposes.

If they lose to Louisville and then win out, they will be 31-3. Likely be a 4/5 seed. (unless Xavier is one of the best in the A10). Then a solid 4.

If lose to Louisville and lose 1-2 more games (29-5), high 5, low 6 seed.

If Lose to Louisville and lose 3-4 more games 27-7, 9/10 seed.

If Lose to Louisville and lose 5+ bubble.

If they beat Louisville and run the table, they will be 32-2. Good for the best 3 seed or worst 2 seed.

Beat UofL and lose 1 or 2 more (30-4) 3/4 seed.

Beat UofL and lose 3-4 more (28-6) 6/7 seed

Beat UofL and lose 5+ more 10 seed and bubble beyond that.

LOL if we beat Louisville and win out (32-2) we will be a #1 seed, and possibly the top #1 seed at that. Our RPI at worse would be 2nd in the country.

Really?
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(12-10-2012 03:51 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  
(12-10-2012 02:24 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  If Memphis loses to Louisville, this team will be viewed in the vein of a "mid major" for seeding purposes.

If they lose to Louisville and then win out, they will be 31-3. Likely be a 4/5 seed. (unless Xavier is one of the best in the A10). Then a solid 4.

If lose to Louisville and lose 1-2 more games (29-5), high 5, low 6 seed.

If Lose to Louisville and lose 3-4 more games 27-7, 9/10 seed.

If Lose to Louisville and lose 5+ bubble.

If they beat Louisville and run the table, they will be 32-2. Good for the best 3 seed or worst 2 seed.

Beat UofL and lose 1 or 2 more (30-4) 3/4 seed.

Beat UofL and lose 3-4 more (28-6) 6/7 seed

Beat UofL and lose 5+ more 10 seed and bubble beyond that.

LOL if we beat Louisville and win out (32-2) we will be a #1 seed, and possibly the top #1 seed at that. Our RPI at worse would be 2nd in the country.

I don't think so. Our RPI, SOS and seeding would likely be similar to Murray State's last season. Murray State was 4-1 against RPI top 50 teams last year. They were 28-2, their RPI was 21, and they got a 6 seed.

We could lose only 2 games and end up a 2 or 3 seed. It all depends on what other schools do.
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(12-10-2012 01:49 PM)3601 Wrote:  We won't have a lot of opportunites to get good quality wins for our NCAA tournament resume. The other day I heard someone say that this game could be the difference between a 3/4 seed and an 8/9 seed.

At first blush that sounded like hyperbole. However, the more I thougth it about the more I think it might not be that much of a stretch. A single game SHOULDN'T make that much difference, but because of our situation and schedule I think it might actually could.

Ask me in March.
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