This is what happens when the "rich" get cocky. When you think you are more valuable then you really are, you must the University of Texas.

Maybe everyone was at home watching on the Longhorn Network.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-...ncaab.html

(12-09-2012 05:17 PM)Usajags Wrote:  This is what happens when the "rich" get cocky. When you think you are more valuable then you really are, you must the University of Texas.

Maybe everyone was at home watching on the Longhorn Network.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-...ncaab.html

is there any program that gets less bang for its buck than Texas?

Still drew more than an average game at Miami...

It should have been scheduled as part of a doubleheader with Texas A&M and/or Houston in the second game.

I don't think that it has anything to do with Texas being cocky, they have plenty of other things to be cocky about. This was two bad b-ball teams playing a game in front of 2797 at an NFL stadium. By the way it was still a featured game on ESPN with Dick Vitale.

More than likely the program that we love and pay to see, dream of the day they are half the program of Texas. Texas is still the biggest money maker out there and that is the reason ESPN is paying them $20 mil a year for the LHN. Just to put football attendance in perspective USA(100759, 6 games) and MT(88691, 5 games) total attendance in football was less than Texas' home opener against Wyoming (101142, total attendance 605304).

(12-10-2012 12:25 AM)TXSTGrad03 Wrote:  I don't think that it has anything to do with Texas being cocky, they have plenty of other things to be cocky about. This was two bad b-ball teams playing a game in front of 2797 at an NFL stadium. By the way it was still a featured game on ESPN with Dick Vitale.

More than likely the program that we love and pay to see, dream of the day they are half the program of Texas. Texas is still the biggest money maker out there and that is the reason ESPN is paying them $20 mil a year for the LHN. Just to put football attendance in perspective USA(100759, 6 games) and MT(88691, 5 games) total attendance in football was less than Texas' home opener against Wyoming (101142, total attendance 605304).

nobody does less with more than u. texas.

barnes SUCKS and so does brown.

sure...they can be cocky about the money and attendance. no disputing that.

but it's like a trust fund baby being cocky after he consistently wrecks the 250k dollar sports cars he bought with daddy's money.

at the end of the day he's a LOSER. a rich loser....but a loser.

I can see how people expect Texas to win more, but there are a lot of misconceptions out there

1. Texas does spend a lot of money on football, but they don't spend more than several teams like tOSU and Alabama so they are not "buying wins" any more than anyone else is and they are not spending way more money than other top teams they are spending about the same amount

2. the issue with Texas was made clear after Mack blew up the coaching staff.....instead of recruiting a team to a system they were recruiting a bunch of "playas" and trying to craft a system to fit them especially on offense and it finally caught up to them......when you have Vince and you can craft an offense around Vince that helps and when you have Colt McCoy (a very intelligent and focused QB) starting for 4 years you can make him fit into a system.....when you run out of guys that can be the focus of an offense and make up for the fact that other guys can't fit into the roll they need to play it all crashes down

take Johnny Football away from TAMU and put in Greg McElroy or AJ McCarron and TAMU is a 7 win team (at best) and they would have been crushed by Alabama and the QB would probably be on a stretcher

yes it is the responsibility of the coaches to recruit and that falls on Mack, but he is in the position of being a kid in a candy store.....can you really say no to this 5 star and that 5 star and this highly rated 4 star and that one too so you can take a chance on a 3 star that might fit some system......a system that Texas never really had on offense......because the Texas offense was get great "playas" and see who steps up and then fit something around them.....well when only one or two step up and the don't even compliment each other suddenly you have scat backs trying to power run and block for protection....hell it worked for 10+ years why would they have tried something different and it got them a MNC and playing in another

the opposite is OU where they had guys with horrible "nfl" type talent, but they stuck to a system and when those guys were seniors they only had to be better than decent to get it done

the offense has always been the problem at Texas because they never developed a system and suck with it and recruited to it specifically because for a long time they did not have to

on Defense things are completely different.....here are the DCs that Mack has had while at Texas.....that is a massive turnover at the DC position, but year in and year out they had a great defense because they did actually make it work with recruiting "playas" because the defense does not rely as much on running an exact position especially when you have skill and natural talent to make up for it.....DCs would come in, not be loyal to anyone, they would pick the best guys out of massive talent and throw them out there on the field in some system (close to what the last system was usually) and then the talent and skills and natural abilities would take over.....so on the defensive side of the ball the "get the best "playas"" system worked because talent and skill can rule on defense......on offense that can only go so far especially against a top defense

Carl Reese 1998-2003
Greg Robinson 2004
Chizik-Akina 2005-2006
Akina-McDuff 2007
Muschamp 2008-2010
Manny Diaz 2011-2012

with the hiring of Harsin they are moving towards having a system in place and going to the candy store and picking the candy that works in that system, but it will take time to clear out some of the discount candy, get everyone on the same page, and get the right guys in place and they unfortunately have not been able to get either of their top 2 QBs to fit into that system properly

Texas has also suffered from the "playas wanna play" syndrome...a guy sees he is not going to start and boom he is gone....GJ Kinne, the Ole' Miss QB, Garrett Gilbert and a multitude of receivers and some running backs have left because they were not going to start as a sophomore or red shirt freshman and they could go sit a year and know they were going to start somewhere else even if they were not going to be "great".....they were still going to start and play for sure in a year and that prevents Texas from always having an option to turn to if your starter is just not panning out and you need someone to step in and be serviceable....Texas has not had a ton of injury issues and they have been fortunate in that way, but if they did especially at QB things would have been ugly fast,,,,but still if they needed a serviceable guy when their star was not getting it done they had no one or the option was worse or the would be burning a redshirt for a guy to come in and suck and get killed

as far as basketball Rick Barnes is a really good coach, but he unfortunately has taken the opposite approach of what Bob Knight used to do.....Rick Barnes will welcome with open arms a guy he knows is gone in a year to the NBA.......over the last 5 years or so if Texas had had a player or two stay around for even 1 more season much less two seasons they would have probably come close to winning it all

he has gone to the NCAAs for 14 straight seasons at Texas and he has a final 4, two sweet 16s, and two elite 8s that is pretty difficult to say "he sucks" or "he can't coach" especially when you look at haw many players he has had come through for a year or two years and leave.....it is the NCAAs where that shows up the most because it is the experience in crunch time that can't be developed as much during the season

it is a catch 22 do you not recruit amazing talent because you think you can't get them to stay and go with a "system" or do you take the guys and play ball......and at the end of the day Texas (and really any school in Texas) is not a huge basketball school where they will load up with the fab 5 or load up like UK or KU do with 4 guys a recruiting class that can make something happen in a year or two and then move on while the next group moves in.....so he is stuck trying to have a system (which is working) and fitting in a super star every few years to get it done.....and basketball is not like football because in basketball a player or two players can make a huge difference even without a system fully in place and Texas (and pretty much all schools in Texas) are just not the programs that bring in those types of start often enough and in large enough quantity to push it over the top.....and Texas HS basketball is not nearly on the level of the midwest or east coast so the top players that Texas can land for being Texas are not as developed as the midwest or east coast players and the few that Texas develops as a state are extremely highly recruited and Texas being Texas does not always stand up to UK or KU or Indiana or other places that have the basketball facilities and basketball and coaching to go head to head with Texas

as far as olympic sports go (where Texas spends a TON of money Texas is very competitive across the board)

not expecting anyone to feel sorry for Texas, but the issues with football and basketball are well known to those that have watched and spending huge sums of cash on bling bling to wow players has really been part of the problem VS part of the solution because it attracts "pieces" instead of teammates and "playas" that will not wait their turn ot wait to develop and will cut and run at the first sign they are not #1.......but like a kid in a candy store it is very hard to resist top talent and natural ability when it is walking in b the dozens

and lately national writers have been saying that Texas as a state has an issue where some of their HS players are so developed in HS that they really do not further develop in college and there is no "upside" to them what you see in HS is what you get and UT with the pick of the top 5* and 4* talent has probably suffered from that as much as anyone...and when you see all the players Texas puts in the NFL you can't say Mack is not identifying talent and not getting it to develop, but he does have a huge issue getting talent that will mesh into a cohesive system especially when his offense for over a decade was not a system it was make something molded around talent

I couldn't get through all that, just to much "Cry for Texas" crap.

What I can say is this, others teams do it with out blowing up their conferences because they want a bigger slice of pie then their conference mates.

Texas caused the Big 12 to implode which set off this whole conference realignment that we are dealing with.

(12-10-2012 01:31 PM)Usajags Wrote:  I couldn't get through all that, just to much "Cry for Texas" crap.

What I can say is this, others teams do it with out blowing up their conferences because they want a bigger slice of pie then their conference mates.

Texas caused the Big 12 to implode which set off this whole conference realignment that we are dealing with.

Texas did not set that off NU and MU did

only a fool thinks that their team would not do the same things that Texas does to maximize the value of their brand and if their program and AD was not doing that they are a fool

OU, NU, tOSU, Alabama, Florida, USC, Oregon and on and on don't run around looking out for everyone else they look out for themselves

every member of the Big 12 is in the conference because they know 100% it is the best option for them period and that includes OU

if Texas wanted to blow up the Big 12 they could have left to any conference out there, but they stayed

NU left because they were worried they could not compete any longer and because they got a whisper they might be left behind when the Big 10 made moves.....CU left because they always wanted to be in the PAC and they could care less about competing in athletics....MU left because they had to save face after showing their ass and the SEC was the only way they could save face and TAMU left because they have Texas ***** envy and again felt they would never compete and were irrelevant in the Big 12 (and they were in football)

when the SWC blew up it was because every school out there was bad mouthing the other for cheating and because the rest of the country did not care about a Texas only conference.....the Big 8, SEC, and others were going to make a move with or without Texas and UH, Rice, TCU, and SMU had been ignoring their programs, facilities, and on field performance for years and it finally caught up to them and if Texas had wanted to they and TAMU could have probably left Baylor and Tech behind as well because the Big 8 did not want them and the SEC sure did not want them even back then and the PAC was not close to being an option

only an idiot thinks that Texas blew up the Big 12 or started all the conference realignment and every member of the Big 12 makes as much or more than the ACC and PAC and Big 10 and the SEC make currently even with Texas having their own third tier deal and with the Sugar Bowl deal and NCAA credits the members of the Big 12 are competitive money wise with any conference and that is before individual third tier rights deals

Texas stayed in the Big 12 because they were turned down by the PAC 12 for wanting to keep the LHN. You get greedy, you get the shaft, and that is what is happening to Texas. They are getting exactly what they deserve. Karma is a *****.

(12-10-2012 04:30 PM)Usajags Wrote:  Texas stayed in the Big 12 because they were turned down by the PAC 12 for wanting to keep the LHN. You get greedy, you get the shaft, and that is what is happening to Texas. They are getting exactly what they deserve. Karma is a *****.

yes how terrible....the PAC teams make 18 million per year (had to pay to buy their third tier rights back for their new contract) scaling to 25 million in 12 years from now and have games on at midnight

Texas makes 20.8 million for the new Big 12 contract, they will make 4 million more per year starting next year and they make 15 million per year from the LHN.....and they get about 750K to 1m more for the NCAA payouts

so Texas is making 35.8 million a year this year for TV, they will be making 39.8 million next year for TV and Sugar Bowl payouts, and they will make about 1m more than the PAC for NCAA payouts

so Texas will be making about 41 million per year next year VS the members of the PAC making about 20 total and Texas does not have games being played at midnight and Texas only has to compete with 9 other conference teams to get games on TV VS having to compete with 15 other teams if they had gone to a 16 team PAC

yea Texas has it terrible

and programs like KU are getting 20.8 for TV money, they will get 4 million yearly next year for the Sugar Bowl and they will get about 1.5 million for NCAA payouts and they get 8 million for third tier rights

so next year KU will be getting 34.3 million per year while the PAC teams will be getting 20 million total.....yea KU is hating that

KSU will be getting all of that except for 3 million per year VS 8 for 3rd tier rights so KSU is getting 29.3 million per year next year VS the 20 for the PAC

so yea Big 12 teams are really hating it in the Big 12 and crying about being stuck with Texas

even teams in the Big 12 with no third tier deal yet or with a low one are going to be getting 26.3 million VS 20 million for PAC teams and PAC teams will be only getting about 26 million (25 million for TV + NCAA fees) in 12 years from now when their TV deal scales to the max payout and I don't see the PAC becoming much stronger in basketball VS the Big 12 over the next few year

even if the PAC gets to equal with the Big 12 in basketball they will only be making near equal money 12 years from now when the PAC TV deal reaches the max payout

so again the Big 12 teams are find without the PAC and their midnight games that end after news papers have published their next days stories

So tell me again why you are here talking about Texas???

(12-10-2012 07:10 PM)Usajags Wrote:  So tell me again why you are here talking about Texas???

well because there is a thread here talking about Texas and UCLA

You guys are the ones that decided you were bigger then you were by thinking you could put a respectable crowd in a football stadium. Instead you got just over 2k. That's an embarrassment for your program. It shows how little people really care about UT.

(12-11-2012 09:57 AM)Usajags Wrote:  You guys are the ones that decided you were bigger then you were by thinking you could put a respectable crowd in a football stadium. Instead you got just over 2k. That's an embarrassment for your program. It shows how little people really care about UT.

yea nobody cares that is why UT had 163 million in athletics revenue for the most recently reported year and that is 21 million over the next tOSU and only 103 million of that is football revenue so 60 million was from other sports

but yea you got it no one cares

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/...er_default