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Corso, Herbstreit, and Howard were half dogging the MAC this morning. Basically said they love the MAC but we don't have a BCS worthy team.

I would tend to agree with them. However, we are playing by their rules, BCS rules that is, and it's a stacked deck against us. If the polls and rules provide us an opportunity, then great. It has nothing to do with what teams deserve to be there.

When I hear BCS types saying stuff like that, I'd like to respond.

- What makes them so sure that other teams from BCS leagues are really that great? It is not the # of fans that will travel or the # of eyes on the tube that measure a great league. Yeah, it sells advertising but tells us nothing about quality. Screw the magic # of 6 for bowl eligibility - that simply means mediocrity, especially when many BCS teams can be under .500 in their league and be bowl eligible. How about using 8 wins as a measuring stick?

# of 8+ win teams per FBS league in 2012

SEC - 8
MAC - 6
B1G - 5
Big 12 - 3
ACC - 3
PAC-12 - 3
MWC - 3
CUSA - 3
Sun Belt - 3
Big East - 2

While they look at that list, I'd remind them that most of the MAC teams don't get the chance to schedule all their OOC games at home like many in the SEC, B1G, etc., nor do MAC teams get 8 home games. The system is rigged against any program not already in the club and these guys are simply shills for continuing the system.

Could MAC teams survive the pounding of the SEC, B1G, etc. every week? Of course not. But denying them a chance to prove themselves in a single bowl game reeks of favoritism. The suits remember what happened with Utah - Bama and Boise St. - Oklahoma. Can't have that happen again.

One reason I don't watch BCS type stuff, it's not even worth discussing anymore, KSU vs NIU was a very entertaining game last night. Tonight I watched, WMU HOCKEY!

(12-01-2012 10:02 PM)EA3 Wrote:  Corso, Herbstreit, and Howard were half dogging the MAC this morning. Basically said they love the MAC but we don't have a BCS worthy team.

It has nothing to do with what teams deserve to be there.

For those clowns, their job is to try to create the PERCEPTION that no MAC team is worthy. Truth has no part to play in it.

(12-01-2012 10:02 PM)EA3 Wrote:  Corso, Herbstreit, and Howard were half dogging the MAC this morning. Basically said they love the MAC but we don't have a BCS worthy team.

I would tend to agree with them. However, we are playing by their rules, BCS rules that is, and it's a stacked deck against us. If the polls and rules provide us an opportunity, then great. It has nothing to do with what teams deserve to be there.

Agree, it's never been about "deserve". Anyway, we don't know who deserves it because most of the top teams don't play each other so there's no way to know.

(12-01-2012 10:37 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  SEC - 8
MAC - 6
B1G - 5
Big 12 - 3
ACC - 3
PAC-12 - 3
MWC - 3
CUSA - 3
Sun Belt - 3
Big East - 2

You forgot the WAC. They have 4:
SEC - 8
MAC - 6
B1G - 5
WAC - 4
Big 12 - 3

Quote:While they look at that list, I'd remind them that most of the MAC teams don't get the chance to schedule all their OOC games at home like many in the SEC, B1G, etc., nor do MAC teams get 8 home games.

Very true. Neither do other mid-majors, like WAC. MW teams I think get a few more home games I believe. Has to do with crowds, and of course, risk. :) However, I think the computer scores factor in home wins vs away wins, etc. So when you do win on the road it is better. But yes, one has to zoom out and look at teams' home & away games.

Quote:The system is rigged against any program not already in the club and these guys are simply shills for continuing the system.

I wouldn't say rigged. No more 'rigged' than those who claim the same thing when it comes to women's basketball or the WNBA. There's just less fans. And bigger games are going to go to where the fans are at. You could say a 9-3 Ball State is better than a 7-5 ACC team. But the ACC team's going to probably go to a better bowl. It's NOT EQUAL, don't get me wrong... but it's not a rigged thing. I think the rigged part is the culture surrounding college football with the pundits, commissioners, etc who dumb down mid-majors.

I think it WAS more rigged before the BCS added the inclusion of mid-majors at #12 or conditionally #16 into a BCS bowl. I think that's fair.

Quote:Could MAC teams survive the pounding of the SEC, B1G, etc. every week? Of course not. But denying them a chance to prove themselves in a single bowl game reeks of favoritism.

Well I actually don't totally agree that. I think particular MAC teams could "survive" the pounding just as good as Northwestern. I mean, NIU isn't some team whose line is going to get rolled over by NW's. But yes, by default, MAC teams have less depth, thus, having to play starters much more often, etc., puts them at a disadvantage, all other things being equal. And I think one single bowl game isn't going to prove themselves anymore than an OOC game. The "big bowl" game or matching up more good mid-majors vs non-mid-majors in various bowls should be the thing to do... but again, they go for fans, regardless. If you're a new 8-4 B1G team who averages 35-40k fans a game, you're probably going to a lesser bowl than a 7-5 Michigan team, albeit both not being oh-so great.

In essence, yes, inequality. But as you point out, MAC teams, with lack of depth (due to lack of recruits), and lack of fans -- are not going to get the best chances. I don't think it's a purposely "rigged" thing -- just a cultural snobbery to not PUSH for mid-majors to get to non-midmajor status enough, while also having cultural snobs scoff at a mid-major like they're a glorified D1AA (which pisses me off) -- usually by pundits.

ACC is barely a BCS conference if you look at the stands every year at their champ game. Not a whole lot better than the MAC champ game.

^^^ I would definitely say that about the Big East. Although it's not a common year, I think the MAC is actually BETTER than the Big East this year. Look what our teams did to theirs.

ACC? I would say they're a solid notch above us, but not "out of our league". They have V-Tech, Miami-FL (who opted out of post-season this year), Florida State, and Clemson. Year to year, they are very solidly better than the MAC. This year, if you yank out Miami-FL, they are still good notch above us but not soo much, IMHO.

Saw the empty seats the time I looked up from watching GaTechs offense. LOVE IT.

(12-02-2012 01:17 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Saw the empty seats the time I looked up from watching GaTechs offense. LOVE IT.

My problem with Paul is that he refuses to practice any spread passing at all. The game ending pick last night was on a play he had ran 3 times in 2 drives and it got picked. With all of the shotgun option being run all over college football u would thnnnk he would take advantage of some of it and allow him to have a spread passing game for 2 minute situations like last night. He is a genius but can't get out of his own way sometimes.

Yeah, that looked like Nebraska vs Miami in the old days when he does that. The QB is almost forced to throw into double coverage.

It's too bad that receiver caught that pass backing into the endzone was out of bounds though.