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RE: Consolidated realignment thread
(11-07-2013 06:53 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
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(01-10-2013 07:53 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  IMO, the larger the undergrad population, the harder it becomes to keep the college system and a wet campus. Two very Rice things.

Princeton has a college system. What's their enrollment?

7500 total, 5000 undergrad.

A little bigger, ok. 10,000 just seems too big to me. You start losing the intimacy a bit. Just my opinion.

OK, d1. I'll take 7,500 over where we are now.

But in 100 years, do you still want Rice to have the same student population as today?

Princeton's "college system" in like Yale, and nothing like Rice's, which is the only residential college system truly structured like Oxford, Cambridge, et al. Unless Rice encourages greater off-campus living, I don't think we can maintain the same college system environment with more than 5,000 - 5,500 total students.

Washington University in St. Louis. 7,300 undergrads, 6,700 grad, all affiliated with a "residence halls" (as they call their equivalent of residential colleges). WUSTL also has frats and sororities, but only about 20% of undergrads join one. Works well for them from what I've seen - very "Rice-like" IMHO.
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RE: Consolidated realignment thread
(05-24-2013 11:38 AM)Bay Area Owl Wrote:  
(05-24-2013 10:47 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  Getting the scholarships endowed would be a huge plus. That basically accounts for the difference between Stanford and us. But I'll believe that we will actually maintain something when we do it. Reckling still gets kept up because Wayne and the Reckling family see that it does. Other facilities, I don't know.

Facilities-wise, Rice Athletics is actually in surprisingly good shape. We always talk about Stanford Athletics being the model, but just ten years ago, Stanford had rather decrepit facilities in both the old Stanford Stadium and Maples Pavilion, the two centerpieces of a D1 athletic program. In the mid-2000s, Stanford replaced the football stadium, and thoroughly rehabbed Maples in a similar way as Autry/Tudor. The old Stanford Stadium was a 1920s-era wreck with a track inside, and it was never as nice as Rice Stadium. Even the new Stanford Stadium has core design features that are not as attractive as Rice Stadium: narrow, warren-like concourses and a large percentage of seating in the endzones. Autry/Tudor today is just as nice as the new Maples.

While Stanford's Sunken Diamond has its charms, it is not as nice as Reckling Park. Reckling is quite a bit bigger for starters. Reckling has better views to the outfield too. Stanford has the edge on Rice on facilities for the more minor sports, but in terms of core facilities, Rice could actually have better facilities with a rehabbed Rice Stadium.

Yes, the football locker-rooms are in bad shape, but in my best Allen Iverson voice: "We're talking about locker-rooms... We're talking about locker-rooms...." Locker-rooms are kinda supposed to be dingy. It adds atmosphere. I remember watching the "Being: Liverpool" series, seeing that Anfield has dingy, decrepit locker-rooms as well. The multi-million dollar players don't seem to mind too much.

Now where Rice falls behind significantly to Stanford is in endowing the scholarships and in running an effective athletic department that gets results. Again, it's a leadership issue more than anything else.

Seeing as we now have the major fundraiser for Stanford as our new AD in Dr. Karlgaard, this thread post takes on new relevance to Rice in the present, especially in light of the WSJ article on Stanford linked to today in another recent thread. Hope this is where Dr. K will have Rice headed.

But worth pointing out that I recall an "in the know" poster on this board stating that when CDC was hiring Bailiff, Harbaugh was begging Rice to hire him as Head coach instead, without the nice football locker rooms or EZF.
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RE: Consolidated realignment thread
(11-07-2013 07:40 PM)RiceDoc Wrote:  
(11-07-2013 06:53 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-07-2013 06:45 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(01-10-2013 08:21 PM)d1owls4life Wrote:  
(01-10-2013 08:19 PM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  Princeton has a college system. What's their enrollment?

7500 total, 5000 undergrad.

A little bigger, ok. 10,000 just seems too big to me. You start losing the intimacy a bit. Just my opinion.

OK, d1. I'll take 7,500 over where we are now.

But in 100 years, do you still want Rice to have the same student population as today?

Princeton's "college system" in like Yale, and nothing like Rice's, which is the only residential college system truly structured like Oxford, Cambridge, et al. Unless Rice encourages greater off-campus living, I don't think we can maintain the same college system environment with more than 5,000 - 5,500 total students.

Washington University in St. Louis. 7,300 undergrads, 6,700 grad, all affiliated with a "residence halls" (as they call their equivalent of residential colleges). WUSTL also has frats and sororities, but only about 20% of undergrads join one. Works well for them from what I've seen - very "Rice-like" IMHO.

Works well, but not Rice-like, as their residential halls are not run by self-contained governments...and the undergrads at WU associate more with their graduating class year than their residential hall, which is NOT the case at Rice.
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RE: Consolidated realignment thread
(11-07-2013 06:53 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-07-2013 06:45 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(01-10-2013 08:21 PM)d1owls4life Wrote:  
(01-10-2013 08:19 PM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  
(01-10-2013 07:53 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  IMO, the larger the undergrad population, the harder it becomes to keep the college system and a wet campus. Two very Rice things.

Princeton has a college system. What's their enrollment?

7500 total, 5000 undergrad.

A little bigger, ok. 10,000 just seems too big to me. You start losing the intimacy a bit. Just my opinion.

OK, d1. I'll take 7,500 over where we are now.

But in 100 years, do you still want Rice to have the same student population as today?

Princeton's "college system" in like Yale, and nothing like Rice's, which is the only residential college system truly structured like Oxford, Cambridge, et al. Unless Rice encourages greater off-campus living, I don't think we can maintain the same college system environment with more than 5,000 - 5,500 total students.

A quibble on behalf of my alma mater: UCSD has a residential college system, required of all students and forming a basic structure for a lot social events, just like Rice and Oxford. There are six: Revelle, Muir, Marshall, Warren, Roosevelt, and the still-unnamed "Sixth". The general education requirements for students in each are different. I was Marshall. Current enrollment is 22,676 undergraduates, so each of the six is about as big as Rice.
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RE: Consolidated realignment thread
(11-07-2013 11:46 PM)Philoso-Owl Wrote:  A quibble on behalf of my alma mater: UCSD has a residential college system, required of all students and forming a basic structure for a lot social events, just like Rice and Oxford. There are six: Revelle, Muir, Marshall, Warren, Roosevelt, and the still-unnamed "Sixth". The general education requirements for students in each are different. I was Marshall. Current enrollment is 22,676 undergraduates, so each of the six is about as big as Rice.

FWIW, Materials Science prof Lea Rudee left Rice to become "founding Provost" of Warren College @UCSD. (He was also a dominating force in Rice's intramural volleyball.)
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RE: Consolidated realignment thread
I wonder how they could get Reveille to leave College Station to go to UCSD.

(11-07-2013 11:46 PM)Philoso-Owl Wrote:  
(11-07-2013 06:53 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  
(11-07-2013 06:45 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  
(01-10-2013 08:21 PM)d1owls4life Wrote:  
(01-10-2013 08:19 PM)Rick Gerlach Wrote:  Princeton has a college system. What's their enrollment?

7500 total, 5000 undergrad.

A little bigger, ok. 10,000 just seems too big to me. You start losing the intimacy a bit. Just my opinion.

OK, d1. I'll take 7,500 over where we are now.

But in 100 years, do you still want Rice to have the same student population as today?

Princeton's "college system" in like Yale, and nothing like Rice's, which is the only residential college system truly structured like Oxford, Cambridge, et al. Unless Rice encourages greater off-campus living, I don't think we can maintain the same college system environment with more than 5,000 - 5,500 total students.

A quibble on behalf of my alma mater: UCSD has a residential college system, required of all students and forming a basic structure for a lot social events, just like Rice and Oxford. There are six: Revelle, Muir, Marshall, Warren, Roosevelt, and the still-unnamed "Sixth". The general education requirements for students in each are different. I was Marshall. Current enrollment is 22,676 undergraduates, so each of the six is about as big as Rice.
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RE: Consolidated realignment thread
(11-08-2013 01:07 AM)Almadenmike Wrote:  FWIW, Materials Science prof Lea Rudee left Rice to become "founding Provost" of Warren College @UCSD. (He was also a dominating force in Rice's intramural volleyball.)

As an aside, when replacing the term college Master, wouldn't Provost have been a better term than Magister?

One, magister means virtually the same thing as the reviled master.

Two, provost is a term people have heard of.
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(07-03-2023 01:57 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(11-08-2013 01:07 AM)Almadenmike Wrote:  FWIW, Materials Science prof Lea Rudee left Rice to become "founding Provost" of Warren College @UCSD. (He was also a dominating force in Rice's intramural volleyball.)

As an aside, when replacing the term college Master, wouldn't Provost have been a better term than Magister?

One, magister means virtually the same thing as the reviled master.

Two, provost is a term people have heard of.

Magister sounds like something out of Harry Potter.
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(07-03-2023 01:57 AM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  
(11-08-2013 01:07 AM)Almadenmike Wrote:  FWIW, Materials Science prof Lea Rudee left Rice to become "founding Provost" of Warren College @UCSD. (He was also a dominating force in Rice's intramural volleyball.)

As an aside, when replacing the term college Master, wouldn't Provost have been a better term than Magister?

One, magister means virtually the same thing as the reviled master.

Two, provost is a term people have heard of.

No, it would have been a better term since Provost is already an established position at Rice, responsible for all academic affairs across the university, with all deans reporting up to it.
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OK, then "Grand Poohbah" or "Major Domo" or whatever. "Magister" just sounds silly, particularly since nobody knows what it means (except "master").
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ESPN reporting that Colorado is in active discussions to return to the Big12. Conference holding a Presidents meeting this evening to discuss expansion.
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(07-26-2023 04:21 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  ESPN reporting that Colorado is in active discussions to return to the Big12. Conference holding a Presidents meeting this evening to discuss expansion.

And a handful of pundits saying there is another Pac-12 (not a 4 corners school) considering the jump as well. If they move, they are not expected to jump at the same time as Colorado. No consensus on which school it is.
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(07-26-2023 04:21 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  ESPN reporting that Colorado is in active discussions to return to the Big12. Conference holding a Presidents meeting this evening to discuss expansion.

Ugh. Been telegraphed for a while, but this is the start of a major reshuffling. The PAC can’t survive as a P5 conference. To survive in any shape, it’s going to have to raid the MWC and AAC. If the PAC does end up losing Colorado, Arizona, ASU, and Utah to the Big 12 and Oregon and UW to the Big 10, it’s going to have to look seriously at San Diego St, SMU, and quite possibly Rice.
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(07-26-2023 08:01 PM)Sheffield Owl Wrote:  
(07-26-2023 04:21 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  ESPN reporting that Colorado is in active discussions to return to the Big12. Conference holding a Presidents meeting this evening to discuss expansion.

Ugh. Been telegraphed for a while, but this is the start of a major reshuffling. The PAC can’t survive as a P5 conference. To survive in any shape, it’s going to have to raid the MWC and AAC. If the PAC does end up losing Colorado, Arizona, ASU, and Utah to the Big 12 and Oregon and UW to the Big 10, it’s going to have to look seriously at San Diego St, SMU, and quite possibly Rice.

Not interested
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And the Big12 votes to accept Colorado.
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Rice has plenty of money to compete. All your leadership has to do is drop the academic standards for athletes and bring in some ringers.
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(07-26-2023 10:53 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  And the Big12 votes to accept Colorado.

https://twitter.com/PeteThamel/status/16...1907064832
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(07-26-2023 10:57 PM)Cougar Bruiser Wrote:  Rice has plenty of money to compete. All your leadership has to do is drop the academic standards for athletes and bring in some ringers.

Nope. Been tried once, and it led to the worst 5-10 years in Rice athletic history. Rice is not UH, and cannot do things the UH way.
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(07-26-2023 08:01 PM)Sheffield Owl Wrote:  
(07-26-2023 04:21 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  ESPN reporting that Colorado is in active discussions to return to the Big12. Conference holding a Presidents meeting this evening to discuss expansion.

Ugh. Been telegraphed for a while, but this is the start of a major reshuffling. The PAC can’t survive as a P5 conference. To survive in any shape, it’s going to have to raid the MWC and AAC. If the PAC does end up losing Colorado, Arizona, ASU, and Utah to the Big 12 and Oregon and UW to the Big 10, it’s going to have to look seriously at San Diego St, SMU, and quite possibly Rice.

That would only leave Stanford, Cal, OSU, and WSU. Not much of a core.
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