(11-26-2012 03:27 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-26-2012 03:14 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Where's the suppression? And why is this a bad thing?

So...and educated man like yourself can see no possible scenario of an old person seeing a line with 500 people in it and not wanting to wait 5 hours to vote so they give up and leave?

TORCH, QUIT PLAYING SO DAMNED STUPID FOR PARTISAN POLITICAL REASONS!!!

Torchy an educated man? Oh, he isn't PLAYING stupid either. He just is.

(11-26-2012 09:42 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  This thread just goes to prove that you guy's have absolutely zero credibility when it comes to voter fraud. Here we have evidence of what we all can see with our two eyes and surprise surprise it's DELIBERATE! Why can't you guy's just call a spade a spade. This is wrong and it needs to be corrected. It's not the only way to correct the problem but........ If we have to vote for 30 or 60 days to ensure that no one has to wait for 8 hours in a line. Then that is EXACTLY what we need to do.

THey do.

(11-26-2012 03:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I wish I could say I was shocked.

Quote:“The Republican Party, the strategists, the consultants, they firmly believe that early voting is bad for Republican Party candidates,” Greer told The Post. “It’s done for one reason and one reason only. … ‘We’ve got to cut down on early voting because early voting is not good for us,’ ” Greer said he was told by those staffers and consultants.

“They never came in to see me and tell me we had a (voter) fraud issue,” Greer said. “It’s all a marketing ploy.”

Former Florida GOP leaders say voter suppression was reason they pushed new election law

I am schoked. The people accountable shoule be in jail.

(11-28-2012 09:40 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(11-26-2012 03:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I wish I could say I was shocked.

Quote:“The Republican Party, the strategists, the consultants, they firmly believe that early voting is bad for Republican Party candidates,” Greer told The Post. “It’s done for one reason and one reason only. … ‘We’ve got to cut down on early voting because early voting is not good for us,’ ” Greer said he was told by those staffers and consultants.

“They never came in to see me and tell me we had a (voter) fraud issue,” Greer said. “It’s all a marketing ploy.”

Former Florida GOP leaders say voter suppression was reason they pushed new election law

I am schoked. The people accountable shoule be in jail.

(11-28-2012 09:51 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(11-28-2012 09:40 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(11-26-2012 03:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I wish I could say I was shocked.

Quote:“The Republican Party, the strategists, the consultants, they firmly believe that early voting is bad for Republican Party candidates,” Greer told The Post. “It’s done for one reason and one reason only. … ‘We’ve got to cut down on early voting because early voting is not good for us,’ ” Greer said he was told by those staffers and consultants.

“They never came in to see me and tell me we had a (voter) fraud issue,” Greer said. “It’s all a marketing ploy.”

Former Florida GOP leaders say voter suppression was reason they pushed new election law

I am schoked. The people accountable shoule be in jail.

Torch - I am stunned that you would laugh at voter suppression. Is it only liberals who cling to their right to vote?

I actually am a bit shocked at the GOP's war on voting. I am glad it backfired. It energized the democratic base and even many independents in swing states. The last polls in NOVA closed around 10:30 or 11 with so many people in line. Local news was talking to some and they said they were ambivalent but after watching the GOP's intent to turn Florida into a 3rd world nation - they felt they had to demonstrate their right to vote.

I for one think that congress needs to pass laws for f= federal elections to enable early voting, reduce the time it takes to vote, and make it easier to vote. The GOP did not help their brand.

(11-28-2012 12:04 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(11-28-2012 09:51 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(11-28-2012 09:40 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(11-26-2012 03:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I wish I could say I was shocked.

Quote:“The Republican Party, the strategists, the consultants, they firmly believe that early voting is bad for Republican Party candidates,” Greer told The Post. “It’s done for one reason and one reason only. … ‘We’ve got to cut down on early voting because early voting is not good for us,’ ” Greer said he was told by those staffers and consultants.

“They never came in to see me and tell me we had a (voter) fraud issue,” Greer said. “It’s all a marketing ploy.”

Former Florida GOP leaders say voter suppression was reason they pushed new election law

I am schoked. The people accountable shoule be in jail.

Torch - I am stunned that you would laugh at voter suppression.
I actually am a bit shocked at the GOP's war on voting.

You weren't joking? I mean it was already proven deductively that "suppression" is a complete fabrication, and yet you're calling for jailtime.

Quote:Is it only liberals who cling to their right to vote?

I voted. I'm just clinging to the concept of actual citizens having a right to vote.

And what "right" is this? Maybe it should be looked at as an earned privilige. The founding fathers knew that not everybody had a "right" to vote.

Quote:but after watching the GOP's intent to turn Florida into a 3rd world nation - they felt they had to demonstrate their right to vote.

More fiction? Really?

I waited four hours to vote at my precinct in a racially and economically mixed precinct in the District of Columbia (yes, they do exist, and in increasing numbers).

It's not a scam, DC is a democratically controlled State/jurisdiction. At the same time, poorer jurisdictions tend not to have the resources needed to run efficient voting operations. We had one voting machine, and three ballot clerks. The lack of preparation in a densely populated precinct was astounding. I have a job that gives me a lot of leeway with my billable hours. I was able to use my smartphone to cancel/move my morning meetings.

But what of the cashier at Target? The line cook at Five Guys? Anyone in the large number of non-union jobs with little to no guaranteed benefits cannot simply say, "well, I'll wait in line" if they are choosing between voting and keeping their job.

Early voting is a lifeline to these folks. When it was introduced, it was intended in many cases to make voting easier for the highly educated voters who knew how, where, and when to take advantage of it. Beginning in 2008, Democrats began a GOTV campaign focusing on getting their low propensity, economically marginal voters to vote early. When it was apparent that it was paying off for Democrats, GOP election officials moved to curtail it.

There are structural issues at play here that make early voting the only viable way to ensure that many voters (disproportionately democratic) have an equal opportunity to vote. In general, we should be making voting easier in this country, not harder. And in general, Republicans should focus on improving their pitch to disadvantaged voters, rather than trying to make it harder for them to vote.

Just my $.02, I realize this board and most Internet sports forums are GOP centric and won't agree with my POV here.

All you need to do in order to understand where right-wingers are coming from is to ask them whether they believe that every eligible American should cast a ballot. The answer is almost universally "no" from the righties. They don't want more people voting because their arguments can't win in the free market of ideas, so they want more restrictions and regulations to shrink the voting population.

Still making chit up.

(12-02-2012 09:43 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Still making chit up.

Yes, you and your GOPer friends are.

What the hell would a socialist know about free markets?

(11-28-2012 12:19 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(11-28-2012 12:04 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(11-28-2012 09:51 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(11-28-2012 09:40 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(11-26-2012 03:10 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I wish I could say I was shocked.


Former Florida GOP leaders say voter suppression was reason they pushed new election law

I am schoked. The people accountable shoule be in jail.

Torch - I am stunned that you would laugh at voter suppression.
I actually am a bit shocked at the GOP's war on voting.

You weren't joking? I mean it was already proven deductively that "suppression" is a complete fabrication, and yet you're calling for jailtime.

Maybe in the right wing echo chamber.

Quote:Is it only liberals who cling to their right to vote?

I voted. I'm just clinging to the concept of actual citizens having a right to vote.

And what "right" is this? Maybe it should be looked at as an earned privilige. The founding fathers knew that not everybody had a "right" to vote.[/quote]

Since the founding fathers, the right to vote has been extended to include other humanoids like minorities and women. For those that are eligible to vote, then Yes, I see it as a right to vote.

Quote:but after watching the GOP's intent to turn Florida into a 3rd world nation - they felt they had to demonstrate their right to vote.

More fiction? Really?
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Nope, as I was waiting in line people were talking about it; if someone could wait 9 hours, so could we. On the news as people in NOVA were interviewed some of them said something similar.

The voter suppression backfired - people who may have stayed home came out for revenge.

Third party revenge?

BY READING THIS POST YOU RECOGNIZE THAT IMATY IS THE LAST GREAT CRUSADER FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE SO HELP YOU GOD.

(12-03-2012 10:28 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  Third party revenge?

BY READING THIS POST YOU RECOGNIZE THAT IMATY IS THE LAST GREAT CRUSADER FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE SO HELP YOU GOD.

No revenge on the right wing for trying to suppress their vote

So people who think other people's right to vote might be suppressed came out to vote for revenge for a perceived possible slight and otherwise they would have stayed home? And people say the left is dumb.

BY READING THIS POST YOU RECOGNIZE THAT IMATY IS THE LAST GREAT CRUSADER FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE SO HELP YOU GOD.

(12-03-2012 11:20 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  So people who think other people's right to vote might be suppressed came out to vote for revenge for a perceived possible slight and otherwise they would have stayed home? And people say the left is dumb.

BY READING THIS POST YOU RECOGNIZE THAT IMATY IS THE LAST GREAT CRUSADER FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE SO HELP YOU GOD.

So it is dumb to want to protect your right to vote?

(12-03-2012 01:17 PM)dcCid Wrote:  

(12-03-2012 11:20 AM)ImMoreAwesomeThanYou Wrote:  So people who think other people's right to vote might be suppressed came out to vote for revenge for a perceived possible slight and otherwise they would have stayed home? And people say the left is dumb.

BY READING THIS POST YOU RECOGNIZE THAT IMATY IS THE LAST GREAT CRUSADER FOR TRUTH AND JUSTICE SO HELP YOU GOD.

So it is dumb to want to protect your right to vote?

They weren't protecting their right to vote, so yes.

Anyone who is blase about any attempt to curtail another Americans right to vote for political reasons is an abhorrent person and a bad american. It is the single most important right we are granted in this nation, and is paramount to any other as without it, those would soon vanish. If we can't, as a nation, point in derision and disgust at those who are purposefully making it more difficult for citizens to vote so as to hopefully influence an election, what good is our constitution?

It's f*cking despicable the ease in which some of you brush this off. But you know what? If it changes, I would never wish that upon any of you and would fight against it, because that's the whole d@mn point of this crazy little experiment we've got going. Somethings are more important than wanting your guy to win.

(12-04-2012 11:18 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  Anyone who is blase about any attempt to curtail another Americans right to vote for political reasons is an abhorrent person and a bad american. It is the single most important right we are granted in this nation, and is paramount to any other as without it, those would soon vanish. If we can't, as a nation, point in derision and disgust at those who are purposefully making it more difficult for citizens to vote so as to hopefully influence an election, what good is our constitution?

It's f*cking despicable the ease in which some of you brush this off. But you know what? If it changes, I would never wish that upon any of you and would fight against it, because that's the whole d@mn point of this crazy little experiment we've got going. Somethings are more important than wanting your guy to win.

According to right-wingers, voting isn't a right.

No, every decent right winger I know is furious about this too.