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(05-11-2020 06:29 PM)doss2 Wrote:  
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(05-11-2020 05:11 PM)doss2 Wrote:  
(05-11-2020 04:28 PM)Dannyboy Wrote:  Winning the conference is the big goal right now. Fick must be obsessed with it.

Win the conference Championship = NY6

Unless there's an undefeated or one-loss Boise out West. Then all bets are off. Barring that though, yes, the AAC champ should pretty much be an auto for the NY6.

BSU OCC is FSU, GA State and at Marshall. Not exactly tough.

Not tough, but pretty much on par or a bit better than our usual OOC. The difference is that our conference is better, and beginning to pull away.....
 
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Didn't know where to put this:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...ll-format/

Quote:The Mid-American Conference is canceling postseason tournaments beginning in 2021 for multiple sports and changing the postseason format for men's and women's basketball. MAC Commissioner Jon Steinbrecher confirmed to WTOL.com the massive decision that will help the conference cut costs as the Cpandemic threatens the landscape of college athletics.

The sports that will no longer have a postseason indefinitely are baseball, softball, men's soccer, women's soccer, men's tennis, women's tennis, women's lacrosse and field hockey. A basketball postseason tournament will still be held but all first-round home games will be eliminated. Instead, the top eight teams from the regular season will automatically advance to Cleveland for second-round play at Quicken Loans Arena. The conference is also eliminating divisions for men's and women's basketball and will expand to a 20-game conference slate in the regular season, expanding from the previous format of 18 games.

"The pandemic and resulting financial issues play into that," Steinbrecher told WTOL. "As the financial situation changes, it will give us a chance to re-evaluate."

The changes go into effect starting with the 2021 season and will be in place for at least four years, Steinbrecher said.

It's just the latest ripple effect from the pandemic as conferences and athletic departments brace for the financial impact and fallout in coming months and years. Already we've seen prominent college coaches like Bill Self take pay cuts to help soften the financial blow of the health crisis for many athletic departments, while some have outright cut programs, as Cincinnati did last month with soccer.

The Associated Press reported last month that the MAC was one of five conferences along with the American Athletic Conference, Mountain West, Sun Belt and Conference USA to ask the NCAA for relief related to the pandemic on behalf of all Division I schools, which included a request to relax requirements regarding financial aid, average football attendance and scheduling, and the minimum number of sports a school must sponsor.
 
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RE: All Things Realignment
(05-12-2020 05:13 PM)eroc Wrote:  Didn't know where to put this:

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...ll-format/

Quote:The Mid-American Conference is canceling postseason tournaments beginning in 2021 for multiple sports and changing the postseason format for men's and women's basketball. MAC Commissioner Jon Steinbrecher confirmed to WTOL.com the massive decision that will help the conference cut costs as the Cpandemic threatens the landscape of college athletics.

The sports that will no longer have a postseason indefinitely are baseball, softball, men's soccer, women's soccer, men's tennis, women's tennis, women's lacrosse and field hockey. A basketball postseason tournament will still be held but all first-round home games will be eliminated. Instead, the top eight teams from the regular season will automatically advance to Cleveland for second-round play at Quicken Loans Arena. The conference is also eliminating divisions for men's and women's basketball and will expand to a 20-game conference slate in the regular season, expanding from the previous format of 18 games.

"The pandemic and resulting financial issues play into that," Steinbrecher told WTOL. "As the financial situation changes, it will give us a chance to re-evaluate."

The changes go into effect starting with the 2021 season and will be in place for at least four years, Steinbrecher said.

It's just the latest ripple effect from the pandemic as conferences and athletic departments brace for the financial impact and fallout in coming months and years. Already we've seen prominent college coaches like Bill Self take pay cuts to help soften the financial blow of the health crisis for many athletic departments, while some have outright cut programs, as Cincinnati did last month with soccer.

The Associated Press reported last month that the MAC was one of five conferences along with the American Athletic Conference, Mountain West, Sun Belt and Conference USA to ask the NCAA for relief related to the pandemic on behalf of all Division I schools, which included a request to relax requirements regarding financial aid, average football attendance and scheduling, and the minimum number of sports a school must sponsor.

Bolded, not much fun being lumped in with the G5 in an article such as this. It's not real supportive of the P6 narrative for the American either. Those of us who know better realize the MAC is way down the food chain from the AAC but the average reader who follows the P5 will be ignorant of the differences.
 
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Former Florida WR expects NCAA split from conferences
ByNick Kosko May 12, 11:25 AM

Ever since NCAA President Mark Emmert put out a statement saying no students on campus means no student athletes, many blasted the NCAA leader. Many attribute the NCAA’s ultimate lack of power when it comes to, at the minimum, the Power Five conferences making decisions.
College football commentator Paul Finebaum believes Emmert is speaking out of tongue and thinks a separation of powers, so to speak, is coming soon. Count former Florida Gators wide receiver, turned commentator Chris Doering among those.
Speaking on SEC Radio on Sirius XM, Doering believes Emmert is losing power with the NCAA and that the Power Five conferences are eventually going to do their own thing and make their own decisions.

“Here’s the thing I'm thinking about,” Doering said. “As I’m listening to the sound of Mark Emmert, the visual I’m seeing in my head over and over again is that part of the ‘Wizard of Oz’ where Toto pulls the curtain back and he’s like I'm the great and powerful Oz, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. It's all a facade. I think people will start to figure out this idea that the NCAA and Mark Emmert are all going away. All we’re hearing is power five conference commissioners and athletic directors having their own plan. It really doesn't matter what the NCAA says. I think eventually you’ll see as a catalyst here...a complete break off of the power five from the NCAA. They're already doing their own thing with the college football playoffs. I think the complete separation is very close.”
Emmert’s comments were not received well, and understandably so. While optimism was slowly starting to grow about the 2020 football season, the face of the NCAA did all he could to shoot that optimism down. And it was a move that Finebaum greatly criticized on Get Up! on Monday morning.
“Mark Emmert has no more authority or influence over college football than Bozo the Clown,” Finebaum said. “He is an innocent bystander in all of this and I think that’s why he put out a statement. This wasn’t an interview. He put it out himself because he was listening to all of the things that Laura just got through talking about. We moved, three weeks ago, from no students on campus, no fans in the stands, no football, to a modification of that. Emmert had to be heard, so he was, and he was not heard very loudly, because the five Power Five commissioners don’t give a rip.”
Considering there are a lot of references to clowns and fantasy worlds such as “The Land of Oz,” Emmert caused quite a stir in the college football community.



Emmert’s comments on football raise questions if fans are able to watch the games in person or even if football can be played this season. There are a lot of rumored options for the season, such as a shortened or delayed season, in order to play football. There is an argument for no football unless the campuses are open to all students and not just the student athletes, putting them in harm's way due to the coronavirus pandemic.
However, most major universities will acknowledge the biggest money maker of their athletic departments and one of, if not the biggest money maker for the entire university: the football program. Financially, most of these schools can not sustain a lost football season in 2020.
With states beginning their reopening processes, albeit slowly, the optimism is growing about college football in the fall. However, no concrete decisions were made in regards to the upcoming season, despite downward trends in the coronavirus pandemic as it appears way too early to make a final decision a little less than four months out.
 
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RE: All Things Realignment
(05-13-2020 01:43 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Former Florida WR expects NCAA split from conferences
ByNick Kosko May 12, 11:25 AM

Ever since NCAA President Mark Emmert put out a statement saying no students on campus means no student athletes, many blasted the NCAA leader. Many attribute the NCAA’s ultimate lack of power when it comes to, at the minimum, the Power Five conferences making decisions.
College football commentator Paul Finebaum believes Emmert is speaking out of tongue and thinks a separation of powers, so to speak, is coming soon. Count former Florida Gators wide receiver, turned commentator Chris Doering among those.
Speaking on SEC Radio on Sirius XM, Doering believes Emmert is losing power with the NCAA and that the Power Five conferences are eventually going to do their own thing and make their own decisions.

“Here’s the thing I'm thinking about,” Doering said. “As I’m listening to the sound of Mark Emmert, the visual I’m seeing in my head over and over again is that part of the ‘Wizard of Oz’ where Toto pulls the curtain back and he’s like I'm the great and powerful Oz, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. It's all a facade. I think people will start to figure out this idea that the NCAA and Mark Emmert are all going away. All we’re hearing is power five conference commissioners and athletic directors having their own plan. It really doesn't matter what the NCAA says. I think eventually you’ll see as a catalyst here...a complete break off of the power five from the NCAA. They're already doing their own thing with the college football playoffs. I think the complete separation is very close.”
Emmert’s comments were not received well, and understandably so. While optimism was slowly starting to grow about the 2020 football season, the face of the NCAA did all he could to shoot that optimism down. And it was a move that Finebaum greatly criticized on Get Up! on Monday morning.
“Mark Emmert has no more authority or influence over college football than Bozo the Clown,” Finebaum said. “He is an innocent bystander in all of this and I think that’s why he put out a statement. This wasn’t an interview. He put it out himself because he was listening to all of the things that Laura just got through talking about. We moved, three weeks ago, from no students on campus, no fans in the stands, no football, to a modification of that. Emmert had to be heard, so he was, and he was not heard very loudly, because the five Power Five commissioners don’t give a rip.”
Considering there are a lot of references to clowns and fantasy worlds such as “The Land of Oz,” Emmert caused quite a stir in the college football community.



Emmert’s comments on football raise questions if fans are able to watch the games in person or even if football can be played this season. There are a lot of rumored options for the season, such as a shortened or delayed season, in order to play football. There is an argument for no football unless the campuses are open to all students and not just the student athletes, putting them in harm's way due to the coronavirus pandemic.
However, most major universities will acknowledge the biggest money maker of their athletic departments and one of, if not the biggest money maker for the entire university: the football program. Financially, most of these schools can not sustain a lost football season in 2020.
With states beginning their reopening processes, albeit slowly, the optimism is growing about college football in the fall. However, no concrete decisions were made in regards to the upcoming season, despite downward trends in the coronavirus pandemic as it appears way too early to make a final decision a little less than four months out.

The argument makes sense...Football makes many of those schools money that they pull into other, less "revenue positive" departments and divisions across their campus. Whatever the NCAA says, the Universities have to look out for #1, and if that means they walk away in order to do so, then so be it. I think that will eventually make the whole operation better in the long run.
 
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The people in charge of money won't allow the football season to be cancelled - both college and pro. Too much to be made. Plus think of all the gambling money states can earn by having football. "Safety and health of student athletes" will be a sham just like the current "welfare of student athletes."

Hopefully there is major major disruption due to the virus - states fighting universities, NCAA fighting conferences, and at the end of it all UC someone ends up in a better conference situation.
 
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The people in charge of money won't allow the football season to be cancelled - both college and pro. Too much to be made. Plus think of all the gambling money states can earn by having football. "Safety and health of student athletes" will be a sham just like the current "welfare of student athletes."

Hopefully there is major major disruption due to the virus - states fighting universities, NCAA fighting conferences, and at the end of it all UC someone ends up in a better conference situation.
 
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(05-13-2020 03:47 PM)Intimidate Dominate Celebrate Wrote:  The people in charge of money won't allow the football season to be cancelled - both college and pro. Too much to be made. Plus think of all the gambling money states can earn by having football. "Safety and health of student athletes" will be a sham just like the current "welfare of student athletes."

Hopefully there is major major disruption due to the virus - states fighting universities, NCAA fighting conferences, and at the end of it all UC someone ends up in a better conference situation.

Idk the “people in charge of the money” already let plenty of lucrative things get cancelled. Why stop now?
 
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(05-13-2020 03:47 PM)Intimidate Dominate Celebrate Wrote:  The people in charge of money won't allow the football season to be cancelled - both college and pro. Too much to be made. Plus think of all the gambling money states can earn by having football. "Safety and health of student athletes" will be a sham just like the current "welfare of student athletes."

Hopefully there is major major disruption due to the virus - states fighting universities, NCAA fighting conferences, and at the end of it all UC someone ends up in a better conference situation.

Idk the “people in charge of the money” already let plenty of lucrative things get cancelled. Why stop now?

Nah. Rich people are still getting richer
 
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(05-09-2020 02:09 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  For me winning a NY6 Bowl is the highest point UC can achieve. And I'm ok with that. Just to get to a NY6 Bowl UC would have to be the AAC Champion.

Yet I will stand firm that no G6 school will ever get into a 4 team playoff. NEVER.

If they expand to 8 schools then a G6 school would get at least one spot. Thus, I don't see the P5 ever giving up a shred of playoff dollars to the likes of UC, UCF, Boise, or App St. It will remain just 4 teams for many years.

What is the 6th Conference you added to get to the G6?

Independents not named Notre Dame
 
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(05-14-2020 05:24 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  
(05-09-2020 05:58 PM)doss2 Wrote:  
(05-09-2020 02:09 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  For me winning a NY6 Bowl is the highest point UC can achieve. And I'm ok with that. Just to get to a NY6 Bowl UC would have to be the AAC Champion.

Yet I will stand firm that no G6 school will ever get into a 4 team playoff. NEVER.

If they expand to 8 schools then a G6 school would get at least one spot. Thus, I don't see the P5 ever giving up a shred of playoff dollars to the likes of UC, UCF, Boise, or App St. It will remain just 4 teams for many years.

What is the 6th Conference you added to get to the G6?

Independents not named Notre Dame
So I would rank the INDY Conference:

BYU
Army
Liberty
UGonn
UMassed
NMS
 
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(05-14-2020 09:13 AM)doss2 Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 05:24 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  
(05-09-2020 05:58 PM)doss2 Wrote:  
(05-09-2020 02:09 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  For me winning a NY6 Bowl is the highest point UC can achieve. And I'm ok with that. Just to get to a NY6 Bowl UC would have to be the AAC Champion.

Yet I will stand firm that no G6 school will ever get into a 4 team playoff. NEVER.

If they expand to 8 schools then a G6 school would get at least one spot. Thus, I don't see the P5 ever giving up a shred of playoff dollars to the likes of UC, UCF, Boise, or App St. It will remain just 4 teams for many years.

What is the 6th Conference you added to get to the G6?

Independents not named Notre Dame
So I would rank the INDY Conference:

BYU
Army
Liberty
UGonn
UMassed
NMS

In the scenario of an Independent football group WITH an automatic bid, IMO we would see a significant increase in the number of traditional G5 schools moving to indy status for football only.and it might even be a way for UC to go
Provides a potentially easier path to the playoff than being "the best" G5 conf school Allows for some scheduling advantages while avoiding the drag on SOS that the bottom of a conf can be. This can also be a disadvantage because of the loss of some "easy wins"
Allows for a schools other revenue generating sports, especially MBB and WBB, to be in better situations, for example only, if UC was an independent in football then "membership" in the Big East, A10 etc. would be open as would the formation of a non-football basketball heavy conf.
For some of the better known "name" independents (of which I think UC would be), TV revenue might actually increase vs being in a conference with a number of members that are not significant media draws especially if there is success in MBB, WBB, Baseball, Volleyball, Track and Field or other high profile Olympic sports

Of course all of this is predicated on an expansion in the number of teams in the CFP and a guaranteed inclusion of a bid to the "best" independent school and assuming UC doesn't get an invite to a P5 conference. Just a thought
 
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(05-13-2020 02:35 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  
(05-13-2020 01:43 PM)doss2 Wrote:  Former Florida WR expects NCAA split from conferences
ByNick Kosko May 12, 11:25 AM

Ever since NCAA President Mark Emmert put out a statement saying no students on campus means no student athletes, many blasted the NCAA leader. Many attribute the NCAA’s ultimate lack of power when it comes to, at the minimum, the Power Five conferences making decisions.
College football commentator Paul Finebaum believes Emmert is speaking out of tongue and thinks a separation of powers, so to speak, is coming soon. Count former Florida Gators wide receiver, turned commentator Chris Doering among those.
Speaking on SEC Radio on Sirius XM, Doering believes Emmert is losing power with the NCAA and that the Power Five conferences are eventually going to do their own thing and make their own decisions.

“Here’s the thing I'm thinking about,” Doering said. “As I’m listening to the sound of Mark Emmert, the visual I’m seeing in my head over and over again is that part of the ‘Wizard of Oz’ where Toto pulls the curtain back and he’s like I'm the great and powerful Oz, pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. It's all a facade. I think people will start to figure out this idea that the NCAA and Mark Emmert are all going away. All we’re hearing is power five conference commissioners and athletic directors having their own plan. It really doesn't matter what the NCAA says. I think eventually you’ll see as a catalyst here...a complete break off of the power five from the NCAA. They're already doing their own thing with the college football playoffs. I think the complete separation is very close.”
Emmert’s comments were not received well, and understandably so. While optimism was slowly starting to grow about the 2020 football season, the face of the NCAA did all he could to shoot that optimism down. And it was a move that Finebaum greatly criticized on Get Up! on Monday morning.
“Mark Emmert has no more authority or influence over college football than Bozo the Clown,” Finebaum said. “He is an innocent bystander in all of this and I think that’s why he put out a statement. This wasn’t an interview. He put it out himself because he was listening to all of the things that Laura just got through talking about. We moved, three weeks ago, from no students on campus, no fans in the stands, no football, to a modification of that. Emmert had to be heard, so he was, and he was not heard very loudly, because the five Power Five commissioners don’t give a rip.”
Considering there are a lot of references to clowns and fantasy worlds such as “The Land of Oz,” Emmert caused quite a stir in the college football community.



Emmert’s comments on football raise questions if fans are able to watch the games in person or even if football can be played this season. There are a lot of rumored options for the season, such as a shortened or delayed season, in order to play football. There is an argument for no football unless the campuses are open to all students and not just the student athletes, putting them in harm's way due to the coronavirus pandemic.
However, most major universities will acknowledge the biggest money maker of their athletic departments and one of, if not the biggest money maker for the entire university: the football program. Financially, most of these schools can not sustain a lost football season in 2020.
With states beginning their reopening processes, albeit slowly, the optimism is growing about college football in the fall. However, no concrete decisions were made in regards to the upcoming season, despite downward trends in the coronavirus pandemic as it appears way too early to make a final decision a little less than four months out.

The argument makes sense...Football makes many of those schools money that they pull into other, less "revenue positive" departments and divisions across their campus. Whatever the NCAA says, the Universities have to look out for #1, and if that means they walk away in order to do so, then so be it. I think that will eventually make the whole operation better in the long run.

Does it though? Student athletes get no say in this. It's not like MLB or other professional sports where there's a player's association ensuring that the football player's interests are being represented. If your average joe student (including, say, a scolarship player in something like baseball) isn't allowed on campus, why should football players be compelled to play? To earn the university money? If that's the case, let's just get rid of this charade of amateur athletics and call it a pro league. At least then the kids can collectively bargain for their interests. I'm sorry, but if my kid contracted covid on the field because he was forced to go back just to fill the university's coffers I'd be pissed. On the other hand, if he had (individually or collectively) a bargaining spot at the table and was able to have a voice in appropriate safety measures and compensation, I'd be a little more understanding. The NCAA might be the last counterbalance looking out for the interests of these kids. Yeah, they're largely neutered. Yeah, they largely kowtow to the whims of the P5 and television networks. But at least they make some token gestures to look out for the kids. Toss the NCAA and what's left?
 
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i know that some on here were talking about some schools in the MAC should consider dropping down. it looks like they are going to start cutting to the bone while hanging on to D1/FBS for premium sports.


 
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(05-14-2020 10:41 AM)Cal1362 Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 09:13 AM)doss2 Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 05:24 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  
(05-09-2020 05:58 PM)doss2 Wrote:  
(05-09-2020 02:09 PM)Ragpicker Wrote:  For me winning a NY6 Bowl is the highest point UC can achieve. And I'm ok with that. Just to get to a NY6 Bowl UC would have to be the AAC Champion.

Yet I will stand firm that no G6 school will ever get into a 4 team playoff. NEVER.

If they expand to 8 schools then a G6 school would get at least one spot. Thus, I don't see the P5 ever giving up a shred of playoff dollars to the likes of UC, UCF, Boise, or App St. It will remain just 4 teams for many years.

What is the 6th Conference you added to get to the G6?

Independents not named Notre Dame
So I would rank the INDY Conference:

BYU
Army
Liberty
UGonn
UMassed
NMS

In the scenario of an Independent football group WITH an automatic bid, IMO we would see a significant increase in the number of traditional G5 schools moving to indy status for football only.and it might even be a way for UC to go
Provides a potentially easier path to the playoff than being "the best" G5 conf school Allows for some scheduling advantages while avoiding the drag on SOS that the bottom of a conf can be. This can also be a disadvantage because of the loss of some "easy wins"
Allows for a schools other revenue generating sports, especially MBB and WBB, to be in better situations, for example only, if UC was an independent in football then "membership" in the Big East, A10 etc. would be open as would the formation of a non-football basketball heavy conf.
For some of the better known "name" independents (of which I think UC would be), TV revenue might actually increase vs being in a conference with a number of members that are not significant media draws especially if there is success in MBB, WBB, Baseball, Volleyball, Track and Field or other high profile Olympic sports

Of course all of this is predicated on an expansion in the number of teams in the CFP and a guaranteed inclusion of a bid to the "best" independent school and assuming UC doesn't get an invite to a P5 conference. Just a thought

I don't think the BE would ever extend membership to us. The A10 gets about $2.00 for their media rights deal and would we really want to move to the conference that XU was too good for? The money would not be there. On the football side, nobody besides BYU would excite me or most fans in town. Liberty, UMass, UConn and NM State? Hell, Tulsa and Tulane have more football clout than those schools.
 
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(05-14-2020 11:41 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 10:41 AM)Cal1362 Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 09:13 AM)doss2 Wrote:  
(05-14-2020 05:24 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  
(05-09-2020 05:58 PM)doss2 Wrote:  What is the 6th Conference you added to get to the G6?

Independents not named Notre Dame
So I would rank the INDY Conference:

BYU
Army
Liberty
UGonn
UMassed
NMS

In the scenario of an Independent football group WITH an automatic bid, IMO we would see a significant increase in the number of traditional G5 schools moving to indy status for football only.and it might even be a way for UC to go
Provides a potentially easier path to the playoff than being "the best" G5 conf school Allows for some scheduling advantages while avoiding the drag on SOS that the bottom of a conf can be. This can also be a disadvantage because of the loss of some "easy wins"
Allows for a schools other revenue generating sports, especially MBB and WBB, to be in better situations, for example only, if UC was an independent in football then "membership" in the Big East, A10 etc. would be open as would the formation of a non-football basketball heavy conf.
For some of the better known "name" independents (of which I think UC would be), TV revenue might actually increase vs being in a conference with a number of members that are not significant media draws especially if there is success in MBB, WBB, Baseball, Volleyball, Track and Field or other high profile Olympic sports

Of course all of this is predicated on an expansion in the number of teams in the CFP and a guaranteed inclusion of a bid to the "best" independent school and assuming UC doesn't get an invite to a P5 conference. Just a thought

I don't think the BE would ever extend membership to us. The A10 gets about $2.00 for their media rights deal and would we really want to move to the conference that XU was too good for? The money would not be there. On the football side, nobody besides BYU would excite me or most fans in town. Liberty, UMass, UConn and NM State? Hell, Tulsa and Tulane have more football clout than those schools.

Without any other changes, I'd agree with you... but I strongly doubt UC would be the only one making a move. Surely others would have a similar idea. If BYU, Boise and several other top non-P5s went independent and did a kind of round robin scheduling plus were able to schedule a few mid tier P5 or name G5 teams it would work.

The BE was an example only, the BE or A10 or even a "new" CUSA or a new group pulled from several existing independents and conferences would help all athletic departments involved from a travel cost and natural, geographic rivalry point of view in non-football areas. It would take a bit of work, but IMO it's possible and would be more sustainable than a league spread all across the country - even though the AAC has been fairly good to UC
 
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(05-14-2020 11:41 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  
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(05-09-2020 05:58 PM)doss2 Wrote:  What is the 6th Conference you added to get to the G6?

Independents not named Notre Dame
So I would rank the INDY Conference:

BYU
Army
Liberty
UGonn
UMassed
NMS

In the scenario of an Independent football group WITH an automatic bid, IMO we would see a significant increase in the number of traditional G5 schools moving to indy status for football only.and it might even be a way for UC to go
Provides a potentially easier path to the playoff than being "the best" G5 conf school Allows for some scheduling advantages while avoiding the drag on SOS that the bottom of a conf can be. This can also be a disadvantage because of the loss of some "easy wins"
Allows for a schools other revenue generating sports, especially MBB and WBB, to be in better situations, for example only, if UC was an independent in football then "membership" in the Big East, A10 etc. would be open as would the formation of a non-football basketball heavy conf.
For some of the better known "name" independents (of which I think UC would be), TV revenue might actually increase vs being in a conference with a number of members that are not significant media draws especially if there is success in MBB, WBB, Baseball, Volleyball, Track and Field or other high profile Olympic sports

Of course all of this is predicated on an expansion in the number of teams in the CFP and a guaranteed inclusion of a bid to the "best" independent school and assuming UC doesn't get an invite to a P5 conference. Just a thought

I don't think the BE would ever extend membership to us. The A10 gets about $2.00 for their media rights deal and would we really want to move to the conference that XU was too good for? The money would not be there. On the football side, nobody besides BYU would excite me or most fans in town. Liberty, UMass, UConn and NM State? Hell, Tulsa and Tulane have more football clout than those schools.

I remember well UC's days as a football independent. No thanks.

Still in it's infancy as a conference, we have high profile/high interest TV games in the AAC with Houston and UCF that sell out Nippert. Memphis will too. Conference races matter, as we experienced last season. We didn't like the outcome in the Liberty Bowl for two consecutive weeks but we had exciting football, a national TV audience and games that really mattered for the postseason.

Any independent schedule, aside from ND or to a lesser degree BYU, feels like a season of exhibition games strung together in hopes of getting bowl eligible. And while we may not like most of our AAC bowl affiliations, most bowls today are tied to conferences and UC will always play in one--even with just six or seven hard fought wins. I think independence for UCONN is just a prelude to going FCS, or worse.
 
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^ I agree with you. I suggest everyone read Josh Katzowitz’s Bearcats Rising which chronicles our days as an independent, with quotes from former athletes, coaches and administrators speaking as to why it was a death knell for FB. Our rise in FB began because we joined a conference (C-USA). Going to the Big East took it to the next level.
 
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