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(07-20-2018 07:06 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Regarding Title IX, we probably should lot k at modernizing it’s application to meet the reality of college athletics. I always argued for an incentive based application that rewarded schools that invested in woman’s athletics without cutting men’s olympics. Ratio and quotas don’t always make the most sense when applied to the current economy. The spirit of the law is to provide opportunity. Somehow compliance by making sure the numbers of scholarship are roughly became the name of the game.

No. It is Federal Law! It is perfect the way it is! There is nothing stupid about it. Anyone who would suggest changing it is very stupid! STUPID!
 
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(07-20-2018 08:05 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  
(07-20-2018 07:06 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Regarding Title IX, we probably should lot k at modernizing it’s application to meet the reality of college athletics. I always argued for an incentive based application that rewarded schools that invested in woman’s athletics without cutting men’s olympics. Ratio and quotas don’t always make the most sense when applied to the current economy. The spirit of the law is to provide opportunity. Somehow compliance by making sure the numbers of scholarship are roughly became the name of the game.

No. It is Federal Law! It is perfect the way it is! There is nothing stupid about it. Anyone who would suggest changing it is very stupid! STUPID!

It's allowed women opportunities that they were not getting before.

If you believe that college sports are good for the students playing them, whether or not the sport generates a profit, then you might see Title IX as beneficial overall.

If instead you are a college basketball and football fan and don't care about the students or anything else that the school does, then I can see how you'd think it's stupid and counterproductive.
 
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I am incredibly thankful my daughter will grow up in a world where Title IX gave women opportunities that simply were not there prior. You can complain about aspects of it and I get it, but ultimately its opened a huge amount of doors for women.
 
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RE: All Things Realignment
(07-20-2018 08:05 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  
(07-20-2018 07:06 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Regarding Title IX, we probably should lot k at modernizing it’s application to meet the reality of college athletics. I always argued for an incentive based application that rewarded schools that invested in woman’s athletics without cutting men’s olympics. Ratio and quotas don’t always make the most sense when applied to the current economy. The spirit of the law is to provide opportunity. Somehow compliance by making sure the numbers of scholarship are roughly became the name of the game.

No. It is Federal Law! It is perfect the way it is! There is nothing stupid about it. Anyone who would suggest changing it is very stupid! STUPID!

Nice post
 
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(07-20-2018 09:14 AM)levydl Wrote:  
(07-20-2018 08:05 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  
(07-20-2018 07:06 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Regarding Title IX, we probably should lot k at modernizing it’s application to meet the reality of college athletics. I always argued for an incentive based application that rewarded schools that invested in woman’s athletics without cutting men’s olympics. Ratio and quotas don’t always make the most sense when applied to the current economy. The spirit of the law is to provide opportunity. Somehow compliance by making sure the numbers of scholarship are roughly became the name of the game.

No. It is Federal Law! It is perfect the way it is! There is nothing stupid about it. Anyone who would suggest changing it is very stupid! STUPID!

It's allowed women opportunities that they were not getting before.

If you believe that college sports are good for the students playing them, whether or not the sport generates a profit, then you might see Title IX as beneficial overall.

If instead you are a college basketball and football fan and don't care about the students or anything else that the school does, then I can see how you'd think it's stupid and counterproductive.

I was doing my best Doss Trump impression.
 
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(07-20-2018 11:30 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  I am incredibly thankful my daughter will grow up in a world where Title IX gave women opportunities that simply were not there prior. You can complain about aspects of it and I get it, but ultimately its opened a huge amount of doors for women.

Amen Mark
 
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(07-20-2018 07:46 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  There has been speculation about the "top schools" pulling out of the NCAA since at least 1977 when the College Football Association (CFA) was formed. As I recall, UC football was in that group, though the program and facilities weren't in any way comparable to what we have today.

The landscape keeps changing in college athletics so I'd never say never. But there must be compelling reasons why the P5 or some alliance hasn't pulled away from the NCAA more than forty years since the CFA idea was hatched.
I think the p5 has more to lose than to gain from splitting. To form a new organization, everyone has to buy into the terms, including the student-athlete. You think a lawyer won't be interested in representing some top-tier athletes that want more pay based on performance? I think the P5 is staying where it is, is obviously getting the NCAA to implement rules that skew talent to them, and are creating scheduling alliances to separate themselves from the rest. All while not compensating players for using their likeness.
 
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(07-20-2018 12:19 PM)crex043 Wrote:  
(07-20-2018 07:46 AM)OKIcat Wrote:  There has been speculation about the "top schools" pulling out of the NCAA since at least 1977 when the College Football Association (CFA) was formed. As I recall, UC football was in that group, though the program and facilities weren't in any way comparable to what we have today.

The landscape keeps changing in college athletics so I'd never say never. But there must be compelling reasons why the P5 or some alliance hasn't pulled away from the NCAA more than forty years since the CFA idea was hatched.
I think the p5 has more to lose than to gain from splitting. To form a new organization, everyone has to buy into the terms, including the student-athlete. You think a lawyer won't be interested in representing some top-tier athletes that want more pay based on performance? I think the P5 is staying where it is, is obviously getting the NCAA to implement rules that skew talent to them, and are creating scheduling alliances to separate themselves from the rest. All while not compensating players for using their likeness.

I too have had rumors of the P5 pulling out over the years; but it's not happening. The P5 schools aren't going to cook the golden goose here folks-- they basically get to do what they want as it is already (despite rules to the contrary-- see North Carolina, Miami(FL), Louisville, etc.), they are getting paid hand over fist and they have a built in system of inequity that rises the middle and lower tier P5 schools over schools in the G5.
 
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(07-20-2018 09:14 AM)levydl Wrote:  
(07-20-2018 08:05 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  
(07-20-2018 07:06 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Regarding Title IX, we probably should lot k at modernizing it’s application to meet the reality of college athletics. I always argued for an incentive based application that rewarded schools that invested in woman’s athletics without cutting men’s olympics. Ratio and quotas don’t always make the most sense when applied to the current economy. The spirit of the law is to provide opportunity. Somehow compliance by making sure the numbers of scholarship are roughly became the name of the game.

No. It is Federal Law! It is perfect the way it is! There is nothing stupid about it. Anyone who would suggest changing it is very stupid! STUPID!

It's allowed women opportunities that they were not getting before.

If you believe that college sports are good for the students playing them, whether or not the sport generates a profit, then you might see Title IX as beneficial overall.

If instead you are a college basketball and football fan and don't care about the students or anything else that the school does, then I can see how you'd think it's stupid and counterproductive.

I don't think it's that simple (to narrow the debate to 2 points of view).
 
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RE: All Things Realignment
(07-20-2018 09:14 AM)levydl Wrote:  
(07-20-2018 08:05 AM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  
(07-20-2018 07:06 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  Regarding Title IX, we probably should lot k at modernizing it’s application to meet the reality of college athletics. I always argued for an incentive based application that rewarded schools that invested in woman’s athletics without cutting men’s olympics. Ratio and quotas don’t always make the most sense when applied to the current economy. The spirit of the law is to provide opportunity. Somehow compliance by making sure the numbers of scholarship are roughly became the name of the game.

No. It is Federal Law! It is perfect the way it is! There is nothing stupid about it. Anyone who would suggest changing it is very stupid! STUPID!

It's allowed women opportunities that they were not getting before.

If you believe that college sports are good for the students playing them, whether or not the sport generates a profit, then you might see Title IX as beneficial overall.

If instead you are a college basketball and football fan and don't care about the students or anything else that the school does, then I can see how you'd think it's stupid and counterproductive.

There are other models that could work:

If it's all about enriching the college experience for the student, then make the non-revenue sports either club, intramural or non-scholarship. Then you can still play your sport and compete, but not be a drain (or as big a drain) on the AD.

or..you know...we could have women's FB!?!
 
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