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RE: Report: B1G could add Maryland, Rutgers
This is honestly good news for UC. The nBE was going to be a dumpster fire of a conference anyway -- now, they get one last shot to make a case for themselves with the ACC. Hopefully, the new President Ono pulls out all the stops (everything short of cash bribes) and makes a winning sales pitch.

Worst case? UC is right where it started -- in a bad conference fighting for an "access bowl" shot with the other "Group of Five (Four?)" conference members.
 
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RE: Report: B1G could add Maryland, Rutgers
(11-17-2012 07:14 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I've quit caring about pro sports save MLB. Have not even watched an NFL game this year. I fear in 5 years I could be the same way with college football. Hard to keep investing my time and $$ with this stuff hanging over our heads constantly like the Sword of Damocles.

I'm already there, at this point I could care less about college football. Tired of watching these pr!cks try to wring every last dollar they can out of the game. The blatant greed has ruined it for me.
 
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RE: Report: B1G could add Maryland, Rutgers
(11-18-2012 10:57 PM)#41 Wrote:  This is honestly good news for UC. The nBE was going to be a dumpster fire of a conference anyway -- now, they get one last shot to make a case for themselves with the ACC. Hopefully, the new President Ono pulls out all the stops (everything short of cash bribes) and makes a winning sales pitch.

Worst case? UC is right where it started -- in a bad conference fighting for an "access bowl" shot with the other "Group of Five (Four?)" conference members.

I think your worst case is the mostly likely . I've resigned to the fact we will be in some form of a cusa reboot circa 2003. UC Memphis USF ucf Houston smu ecu temple tulane southern miss and maybe Louisville . I'm done being the optimist at this point . The big east is done.
 
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RE: Report: B1G could add Maryland, Rutgers
(11-19-2012 07:39 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  
(11-18-2012 10:57 PM)#41 Wrote:  This is honestly good news for UC. The nBE was going to be a dumpster fire of a conference anyway -- now, they get one last shot to make a case for themselves with the ACC. Hopefully, the new President Ono pulls out all the stops (everything short of cash bribes) and makes a winning sales pitch.

Worst case? UC is right where it started -- in a bad conference fighting for an "access bowl" shot with the other "Group of Five (Four?)" conference members.

I think your worst case is the mostly likely . I've resigned to the fact we will be in some form of a cusa reboot circa 2003. UC Memphis USF ucf Houston smu ecu temple tulane southern miss and maybe Louisville . I'm done being the optimist at this point . The big east is done.

Amazing how quickly this situation deteriorated--a week ago we were discussing the merits of the division alignment and the BE position of relative strength in gaining access to a top bowl in the New BE. After this week there won't be enough teams for divisions; #1 TV market will be gone and with it perhaps any hope for a big bump in TV revenue for member schools.
 
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RE: Report: B1G could add Maryland, Rutgers
This comment from a Rutgers fan makes an interesting point about UC. UC was added to the Big East to save their football conference, and not only did that but made it much better. And now UC is screwed over by all of those schools.

--- Here is the comment

I do understand the financial benefits of a Big Ten move, assuming of course that RU does go there. However, I will be sad to see the loss of rivalries like those with Cincy, Louisville, UCONN, Pitt, and yes even Syracuse. Hell, even though we couldn't beat them, I miss the WVU games. I will also feel bad for Cincy and Louisville as they saved the conference when they came in and performed so well, but now they are getting the shaft by the departure of the longer time Big East members. Conference roulette sucks. less

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigeast/post/_/i...17#comment
 
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(11-19-2012 07:51 AM)indycat Wrote:  
(11-19-2012 07:39 AM)Bearcat2012 Wrote:  
(11-18-2012 10:57 PM)#41 Wrote:  This is honestly good news for UC. The nBE was going to be a dumpster fire of a conference anyway -- now, they get one last shot to make a case for themselves with the ACC. Hopefully, the new President Ono pulls out all the stops (everything short of cash bribes) and makes a winning sales pitch.

Worst case? UC is right where it started -- in a bad conference fighting for an "access bowl" shot with the other "Group of Five (Four?)" conference members.

I think your worst case is the mostly likely . I've resigned to the fact we will be in some form of a cusa reboot circa 2003. UC Memphis USF ucf Houston smu ecu temple tulane southern miss and maybe Louisville . I'm done being the optimist at this point . The big east is done.

Amazing how quickly this situation deteriorated--a week ago we were discussing the merits of the division alignment and the BE position of relative strength in gaining access to a top bowl in the New BE. After this week there won't be enough teams for divisions; #1 TV market will be gone and with it perhaps any hope for a big bump in TV revenue for member schools.


Yeah I think we all knew this situation was teetering on the assumption major realignment was done for several years at least. Once one of the big boys made a major move we knew another hit was coming. Once notre dame showed their hand the game was back on.
 
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RE: Report: B1G could add Maryland, Rutgers
In a few years this conference is going to look like an A-10/C-USA hybrid.

This goes down, good luck keeping quality coaches...or fans for that matter.
 
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RE: Report: B1G could add Maryland, Rutgers
A few years? It could be a few weeks or days the way things are going.
 
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RE: Report: B1G could add Maryland, Rutgers
Bet we'll know before kickoff Friday and we better hope this triggers another round of poaching where 14-16 member conferences become the new normal. If the B12 poaches 4 let's hope we're in the mix; if they poach the ACC for two or more then we should look east once again. If you go back and read commentary from nine years ago, the naysayers, locally and nationally, said we'd never get in the Big East. We often sell ourselves short; UC brings a major TV market, a decade of great football performance and a ranked basketball team with great tradition.
Obviously, the B10 wanted Notre Dame and settled for Maryland. In terms of quality of athletic programs, that's a big dropoff. So if it's more about TV and competitive potential, UC should be right there for the B12 or ACC.
 
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I'm holding on by a string...but as loyal and diehard of a fan that I am, this is looking like a HUGE step backwards for the Bearcats, especially football. UC is in a bad, bad spot. ACC looks like it would be the best situation...but they'll jump UC to go to Louisville, if possible (bigger stadiums, loyal fan base, corporate sponsor). I believe Bearcat basketball will remain relevant no matter what happens....but football could fall back to MAC level unless something drastic (and out of no where) occurs.

Also...wouldn't blame Butch for a second if he bolts to somewhere in a more stable situation (unless it is UK, I hate UK).
 
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RE: Report: B1G could add Maryland, Rutgers
One remote possibility that is still out there is that the Maryland BOT is voting on the move today. They COULD vote NO. It is possible, but not likely. It would be hilarious though. It would smash egg on the face of the Big 10 yet again (after being turned down by ND multiple times). Would most likely halt the Rutgers move, which would put their fans in meltdown mode, and could halt realignment for a bit, because the Big 10 wouldn't want to get embarassed yet again by someone else.

(Hey, I'm just holding out as much hope as I can)03-banghead

One other quick question, how in the world can one person (Jim Delany) have so much power in college athletics? He started this mess back in 2009, and now he's doing it again. This guy should be the new commissioner of NFL/MLB.
 
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RE: Report: B1G could add Maryland, Rutgers
Here are the most likely's IMO

1. Rath's Island of misfit toys - Awful but not the worst thing in the world if UL goes with us. If UL gets pulled away - devastating.

2. ACC - more likely than B12 IMO. Would have to be a UC and UL deal. Yeah I know UCONN is a better geographic and market fit. But UCONN is still in a lawsuit and Boston College HATES Uconn and will do everything possible to keep them out. Plus UCONN football sucks and their basketball team has a much better chance of plummeting than staying in the top tier.

4. B12 - I really don't think this is too much of a possibility and I had really become more than just a little OK with the thought of forever being in a conference without WVU. I would really prefer that something work out that does not involve the B12.

I hate to say it but once again I feel our fortune is tied to UL. UL has a far more likely chance of getting a lifeboat sent their way. The only question is whether the conference who sends it will have made equipped it with room for two.


* Watching the NCAA, Universities and ESPN battle and jockey for FB money is really sh*tty and revolting. When the documentaries come out chronicling the fall of the US as a culture and world power - this will be one of the chapters.
 
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RE: Report: B1G could add Maryland, Rutgers
The B10 is expanding because they make huge money from adding new households to the footprint of the BTN. It's financially prudent to expand to new territories so long as the conference doesn't become too big to manage.

The B12 has no such incentive. Their TV deal is set at a fixed dollar amount, and unless I'm very mistaken, they cannot reopen negotiations just by adding additional schools. Thus, any expansion would merely serve to slice the revenue pie more thinly among the existing members. I think it's a similar case for the ACC -- they'll replace MD, but I doubt they add schools or expand.
 
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(11-19-2012 09:59 AM)Eastside_J Wrote:  Here are the most likely's IMO

1. Rath's Island of misfit toys - Awful but not the worst thing in the world if UL goes with us. If UL gets pulled away - devastating.

2. ACC - more likely than B12 IMO. Would have to be a UC and UL deal. Yeah I know UCONN is a better geographic and market fit. But UCONN is still in a lawsuit and Boston College HATES Uconn and will do everything possible to keep them out. Plus UCONN football sucks and their basketball team has a much better chance of plummeting than staying in the top tier.

4. B12 - I really don't think this is too much of a possibility and I had really become more than just a little OK with the thought of forever being in a conference without WVU. I would really prefer that something work out that does not involve the B12.

I hate to say it but once again I feel our fortune is tied to UL. UL has a far more likely chance of getting a lifeboat sent their way. The only question is whether the conference who sends it will have made equipped it with room for two.


* Watching the NCAA, Universities and ESPN battle and jockey for FB money is really sh*tty and revolting. When the documentaries come out chronicling the fall of the US as a culture and world power - this will be one of the chapters.

I like #2, but the ACC will need either one more defection or decide to go to 16 (at that point they will have to take UCONN). The downside to the ACC losing one more (ie. FSU to the B12) is that it could start a chain reaction of other moves.
 
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Georgia Tech and Boston College to the new Big East. Both want out of the ACC if Maryland and FSU departs. GT is already making noise.
 
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(11-19-2012 10:27 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Georgia Tech and Boston College to the new Big East. Both want out of the ACC if Maryland and FSU departs. GT is already making noise.

Sounds nice but I dont know why they would. $50 million exit fee in order to be part of a TV package that will likely pay less than they are receiving now.
 
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(11-19-2012 10:27 AM)Ragpicker Wrote:  Georgia Tech and Boston College to the new Big East. Both want out of the ACC if Maryland and FSU departs. GT is already making noise.

Add Miami FL to that and we might have something.
 
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Interesting:

Quote:"Rittenberg/Bennett ‏@ESPN_BigTen
Rutgers expected to follow. Ga Tech rumored. UNC in play? RT @Falb7: @ESPN_BigTen @McMurphyESPN Is Rutgers or Georgia Tech next?
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Brett McMurphy‏@McMurphyESPN

Maryland's board of regents unanimously approves move to Big Ten, source tells @ESPN


http://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN
 
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I believe there is a massive plan of collusion in place between the Big Ten, SEC, and Big XII to completely destabilize the ACC. If the three conferences take at least seven schools from the ACC that should remove the $50 Million exit fee for each school from the table. At that point I'd expect a hybrid conference of the ACC and Big East left overs.

The schools likely involved:
Maryland - known
Georgia Tech - fits Big Ten academic profile and opens a market for TV
FSU - Both SEC and Big XII want them
Clemson - SEC won't take them because of SC, so Big XII
Va Tech - They'll land safely
UNC & NC State - Tied together because they share a BoT, so both would need taken care of in realignment.
Virginia - like GT, fits Big Ten academic profile and would make sense if they go to 16
 
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