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Anyone else notice the new signage on the brick walls on Hampton Blvd.?
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This is an article about tax breaks for redevelopment areas, several are around the areas near ODU.

http://www.wavy.com/news/northam-nominat...1135220890

Here is a map to the areas.

http://vedp.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappv...b40fb0a357

Could mean big things for the area south of ODU on Hampton Blvd.
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(05-15-2018 12:46 PM)cmett003 Wrote:  This is an article about tax breaks for redevelopment areas, several are around the areas near ODU.

http://www.wavy.com/news/northam-nominat...1135220890

Here is a map to the areas.

http://vedp.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappv...b40fb0a357

Could mean big things for the area south of ODU on Hampton Blvd.

While opportunity zones are new, the incentives are clearly a repackaging of the empowerment zone tax incentives.

Either way, I'm excited to see the transformation that will take place in St Paul's over the next decade.
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https://www.odu.edu/news/2018/5/_2018tui...wVewO4vypo

ODU raises tuition 5%, I am happy about this. More money for ODU and we are still pretty much the cheapest in the state so kids really cant complain much.
05-23-2018 07:32 AM
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Many times being the cheapest isn't the best. UVA and WM can be BMWs, but I'd rather ODU be a Toyota than a Kia. In any case, I think raising tuition is a good thing for ODU. It costs money to provide a quality education and at some point the product becomes so cheap that it isn't valued. I think thats part of whats happening with ODU at this point. VCU somehow manages to get away with charging 40% more and still seems to take students from us. Because the perception is that its a better product. I know for a fact that a local private university set their tuition costs at a certain amount because their aspirational peers were charging that much. Not because its what was needed to operate. Its all about perception. I'd be for ODU raising tuition 10 or 15% to get us closer to our peers and invest that money in professors, safety and marketing. Another good thing about this is that it should raise the amount athletics can charge via fees by 5% as well. Though it just occurred to me, if the Cox bill ties fees to tuition costs, our peers get more athletic support financially as well.
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(05-23-2018 09:21 AM)monarx Wrote:  Many times being the cheapest isn't the best. UVA and WM can be BMWs, but I'd rather ODU be a Toyota than a Kia. In any case, I think raising tuition is a good thing for ODU. It costs money to provide a quality education and at some point the product becomes so cheap that it isn't valued. I think thats part of whats happening with ODU at this point. VCU somehow manages to get away with charging 40% more and still seems to take students from us. Because the perception is that its a better product. I know for a fact that a local private university set their tuition costs at a certain amount because their aspirational peers were charging that much. Not because its what was needed to operate. Its all about perception. I'd be for ODU raising tuition 10 or 15% to get us closer to our peers and invest that money in professors, safety and marketing. Another good thing about this is that it should raise the amount athletics can charge via fees by 5% as well. Though it just occurred to me, if the Cox bill ties fees to tuition costs, our peers get more athletic support financially as well.

It wouldn't work that way. The Cox bill limits the percentage of athletics that can be funded from fees, not the percentage of tuition that can go to athletics. They could raise the tuition 50% and it wouldn't add any more money to the athletic budget.
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(05-23-2018 01:38 PM)Sidewinder Wrote:  
(05-23-2018 09:21 AM)monarx Wrote:  Many times being the cheapest isn't the best. UVA and WM can be BMWs, but I'd rather ODU be a Toyota than a Kia. In any case, I think raising tuition is a good thing for ODU. It costs money to provide a quality education and at some point the product becomes so cheap that it isn't valued. I think thats part of whats happening with ODU at this point. VCU somehow manages to get away with charging 40% more and still seems to take students from us. Because the perception is that its a better product. I know for a fact that a local private university set their tuition costs at a certain amount because their aspirational peers were charging that much. Not because its what was needed to operate. Its all about perception. I'd be for ODU raising tuition 10 or 15% to get us closer to our peers and invest that money in professors, safety and marketing. Another good thing about this is that it should raise the amount athletics can charge via fees by 5% as well. Though it just occurred to me, if the Cox bill ties fees to tuition costs, our peers get more athletic support financially as well.

It wouldn't work that way. The Cox bill limits the percentage of athletics that can be funded from fees, not the percentage of tuition that can go to athletics. They could raise the tuition 50% and it wouldn't add any more money to the athletic budget.

Oh. That makes more sense. Thanks for the clarification. I was thinking the fees were a percentage of overall tuition. So if I understand you correctly, the only way we get more money from fees is to increase the overall amount of money coming in. It rises proportionally with outside giving?
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(05-23-2018 02:07 PM)monarx Wrote:  
(05-23-2018 01:38 PM)Sidewinder Wrote:  
(05-23-2018 09:21 AM)monarx Wrote:  Many times being the cheapest isn't the best. UVA and WM can be BMWs, but I'd rather ODU be a Toyota than a Kia. In any case, I think raising tuition is a good thing for ODU. It costs money to provide a quality education and at some point the product becomes so cheap that it isn't valued. I think thats part of whats happening with ODU at this point. VCU somehow manages to get away with charging 40% more and still seems to take students from us. Because the perception is that its a better product. I know for a fact that a local private university set their tuition costs at a certain amount because their aspirational peers were charging that much. Not because its what was needed to operate. Its all about perception. I'd be for ODU raising tuition 10 or 15% to get us closer to our peers and invest that money in professors, safety and marketing. Another good thing about this is that it should raise the amount athletics can charge via fees by 5% as well. Though it just occurred to me, if the Cox bill ties fees to tuition costs, our peers get more athletic support financially as well.

It wouldn't work that way. The Cox bill limits the percentage of athletics that can be funded from fees, not the percentage of tuition that can go to athletics. They could raise the tuition 50% and it wouldn't add any more money to the athletic budget.

Oh. That makes more sense. Thanks for the clarification. I was thinking the fees were a percentage of overall tuition. So if I understand you correctly, the only way we get more money from fees is to increase the overall amount of money coming in. It rises proportionally with outside giving?

Correct.
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(05-23-2018 09:21 AM)monarx Wrote:  Many times being the cheapest isn't the best. UVA and WM can be BMWs, but I'd rather ODU be a Toyota than a Kia. In any case, I think raising tuition is a good thing for ODU. It costs money to provide a quality education and at some point the product becomes so cheap that it isn't valued. I think thats part of whats happening with ODU at this point. VCU somehow manages to get away with charging 40% more and still seems to take students from us. Because the perception is that its a better product. I know for a fact that a local private university set their tuition costs at a certain amount because their aspirational peers were charging that much. Not because its what was needed to operate. Its all about perception. I'd be for ODU raising tuition 10 or 15% to get us closer to our peers and invest that money in professors, safety and marketing. Another good thing about this is that it should raise the amount athletics can charge via fees by 5% as well. Though it just occurred to me, if the Cox bill ties fees to tuition costs, our peers get more athletic support financially as well.

Regarding perception, Old Dominion's focus on diversity over academic excellence has also changed the perception of the university. For better or for worse, whites are now a minority of the student body. That will have a lasting detrimental impact on athletic donations down the line. The numbers show it clearly.
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(05-23-2018 02:50 PM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  
(05-23-2018 09:21 AM)monarx Wrote:  Many times being the cheapest isn't the best. UVA and WM can be BMWs, but I'd rather ODU be a Toyota than a Kia. In any case, I think raising tuition is a good thing for ODU. It costs money to provide a quality education and at some point the product becomes so cheap that it isn't valued. I think thats part of whats happening with ODU at this point. VCU somehow manages to get away with charging 40% more and still seems to take students from us. Because the perception is that its a better product. I know for a fact that a local private university set their tuition costs at a certain amount because their aspirational peers were charging that much. Not because its what was needed to operate. Its all about perception. I'd be for ODU raising tuition 10 or 15% to get us closer to our peers and invest that money in professors, safety and marketing. Another good thing about this is that it should raise the amount athletics can charge via fees by 5% as well. Though it just occurred to me, if the Cox bill ties fees to tuition costs, our peers get more athletic support financially as well.

Regarding perception, Old Dominion's focus on diversity over academic excellence has also changed the perception of the university. For better or for worse, whites are now a minority of the student body. That will have a lasting detrimental impact on athletic donations down the line. The numbers show it clearly.

I don't see the link between race and athletic donations. Explain?
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What numbers are you referring to? Is there a link to them?\
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Simple observation - right? As whites are the a majority of the population, most college basketball and football games are attended mostly by white fans. Which leads to most athletic booster clubs being comprised of mostly white contributors. If your white student population declines - your fan base and your donor base declines.
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(05-23-2018 03:05 PM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  Simple observation - right? As whites are the a majority of the population, most college basketball and football games are attended mostly by white fans. Which leads to most athletic booster clubs being comprised of mostly white contributors. If your white student population declines - your fan base and your donor base declines.

https://www.collegedata.com/cs/data/coll...oolId=1614

This is why you need to research things before you speak. I think your comments are your own opinion and maybe you should just keep it to yourself. While I don't think ODU needs to push the diversity thing so much, I'm sure ODU will be just fine in the future.
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I don't see your point? ODU has a white student population of almost 47% - a minority in the overall population. Not saying that's good or bad. Just saying whites are the minority on campus. It's probably the only D-1 campus in VA - that is not a HBCU - with a white minority student body? Not opinion - just the strategy of ODU. I, too, am sure ODU will be fine going forward but the trajectory will be different based on their strategy. I'm a grad and a long-time supporter. Just noting that with the change in student body - there will be a change in the fan base for the future. The numbers would point to a smaller fan base and a smaller donor base. Isn't that just obvious?
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(05-23-2018 03:42 PM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  I don't see your point? ODU has a white student population of almost 47% - a minority in the overall population. Not saying that's good or bad. Just saying whites are the minority on campus. It's probably the only D-1 campus in VA - that is not a HBCU - with a white minority student body? Not opinion - just the strategy of ODU. I, too, am sure ODU will be fine going forward but the trajectory will be different based on their strategy. I'm a grad and a long-time supporter. Just noting that with the change in student body - there will be a change in the fan base for the future. The numbers would point to a smaller fan base and a smaller donor base. Isn't that just obvious?

Not only that but demographics are changing as well. There are 4 million fewer high school graduates in the pipe line than just 5 years ago. All colleges will be enrollment challenged in the coming years. Cost, value, and student outcomes will be very important moving forward.
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I have long suspected that ODU has resisted raising admission standards because they think it will hurt minority enrollment. But I think that if ODU raises admission standards, respect for the university will go up, thus increasing the number of applicants, minority applicants included. ODU could attract minority students that have otherwise ended up at VT or elsewhere. It's not like the other VA schools have no minority students (though not as high a percentage as ODU).
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(05-23-2018 03:42 PM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  I don't see your point? ODU has a white student population of almost 47% - a minority in the overall population. Not saying that's good or bad. Just saying whites are the minority on campus. It's probably the only D-1 campus in VA - that is not a HBCU - with a white minority student body? Not opinion - just the strategy of ODU. I, too, am sure ODU will be fine going forward but the trajectory will be different based on their strategy. I'm a grad and a long-time supporter. Just noting that with the change in student body - there will be a change in the fan base for the future. The numbers would point to a smaller fan base and a smaller donor base. Isn't that just obvious?

Wow. How are whites the minority on campus? 46.9% outnumbers almost any other category by nearly double.

And how is this significantly different from VCU, for which the same database shows white students at 49.2% and GMU, which shows white students at 45.5%?

None of these universities have any ethnic class of people that is even remotely close to the white population. Unless the point has to be whites vs everyone else? I really don't seek an answer on that one. I think I've read enough already--wow.
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(05-23-2018 03:05 PM)MonarchsWon Wrote:  Simple observation - right? As whites are the a majority of the population, most college basketball and football games are attended mostly by white fans. Which leads to most athletic booster clubs being comprised of mostly white contributors. If your white student population declines - your fan base and your donor base declines.

Okay, now I really don't see the logic here. I think you're getting confused over absolute statistics versus relative statistics. Sure, the majority of the US is made up of white people, but that doesn't mean that people of color don't support sports. And as the ratio of ethnicities changes within the population, so would the ratio of support.

ODU is going to have ~ 22,000 students no matter what their race is, so I don't see why we would see a decline in support if there's less white people.
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Some people would look at the above conversations and would be either disgusted or offended.
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