Obviously Don Haskins is the exception and not the rule. Now you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

(11-08-2012 04:51 PM)mistabinks Wrote:  Obviously Don Haskins is the exception and not the rule. Now you are just arguing for the sake of arguing.

If we can do it once, we can do it again.

Shaka Smart turned down big money to stay at VCU.

Besides, who says these coaches have to stay?

UTEP did just fine with Gullespie and Barby.

Their brand of basketball is much more exciting than Floyd's basketball will ever be.

I agree. It can be done again. Billy G would have been much better off if he hadn't left. We did great with Billy G. We did okay with Barbee. The problem is they sniffed success and bolted and we had to rebuild. One good year for every three/four bad ones?

I keep checking this thread to find an update on the Az-UTEP football thing but it doesn't seem to be related to that at all anymore. Oh well.

I would be willing to endure one losing season for 3 good seasons provided that the basketball or the players are exciting.

Billy G had both

Barbie had both

Tim not yet.

One winning season for three good ones? When did we have that. Billy Gillispie was not here for four years. Barbee did not have three good seasons and one bad. The constant rebuilding, and starting over, has not been kind to our program. Coach Floyd is thinking long term. I am okay with last year. I am okay with whatever happens this year. The future is bright!

(11-09-2012 01:07 PM)mistabinks Wrote:  One winning season for three good ones? When did we have that. Billy Gillispie was not here for four years. Barbee did not have three good seasons and one bad. The constant rebuilding, and starting over, has not been kind to our program. Coach Floyd is thinking long term. I am okay with last year. I am okay with whatever happens this year. The future is bright!

Oh Jezzzzzzz. So maybe it wasn't exactly 3 or 4 years for every coach but it wasn't always a losing season either.

If I recall correctly ( and I'm sure you're going to nit pick my memory) it went something like this.

After Haskins we had Rabadeux

He had one losing season and one winning season.

Then came Gulesppie. One losing seaons and two winning seasons

Then Sadler two winning seasons

Then Barby one losing and two winning

And now Floyd two winning.

So five coaches

3 losing seasons to 9 winning seasons.


I don't see anything wrong with that.

(11-13-2012 02:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  ( and I'm sure you're going to nit pick my memory)

It is not my fault you base your opinions and posts on bad info.

(11-13-2012 02:54 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  I don't see anything wrong with that.

Now that is textbook Fitbud. You post a ton of inaccurate info and then defend it.

Rabedeaux went 46-46 in three seasons. His last season being 10-22. Were we just fine with Rabedeaux?

Billy Gillispie, of course, was a rocket. 6-24 in first season and 24-8 in his second and last season. As much as I like Billy G, I would not settle for one horrible season and one NCAA bid season every other year just to keep hiring young and up coming coaches.

Doc Sadler was 48-18 at UTEP. His first season being better than his second/last. Like Rabedeaux, he was nose diving and we were extremely lucky Nebraska took him. His recruiting would have hurt us more than what Barbee did to us.

Tony Barbee is an interesting story. I'm sure, to validate your argument, you will say Barbee's second, third, and fourth year were successful. Two CBI appearance and one NCAA bid. However, I am quite comfident, if Saint Floyd has those same results, you would call for his head.

So what are the actual facts?

Rabedeaux had one good season and one bad with the program heading south.

Billy G had one good season and one bad with the program heading to the moon.

Doc had two good seasons with the program heading south.

Barbee had one bad season, one neutral season, and two good seasons. I wont say he had the program heading south though. Had he stayed, I am not sure what would have happened after a hypothetical fifth season. The cupboards were completely bare.

So lets get away from numbers. Good seasons vs bad. The constant carousel has not been healthy for the basketball program. A bad season used to mean an NIT appearance. With Rabedeaux, Billy, and Barbee, we had single digit win season that does long term damage. That might be okay with you. To me, it is not worth in exchange for a NIT apperance, maybe an NCAA bid, before a bigger school takes our coach.

I'll back Saint Floyd.

Mistabinks

I didn't mean for you to take my generalization of UTEP basketball since Haskins as fact. I didn't take the time to look up the actual records for each coach but generally speaking, we have more good than bad seasons.

Here is my take on UTEP basketball.

The last few seasons with Haskins were very stale. Haskins was a very good coach but in my opinion, the game had changed and Haskins did not change with it.

The new coaches brought a new brand of basketball that emphasized offense more than defense.

I like that.

I realize that Tim Floyd is a good coach and he will likely bring winning teams to El Paso and that will be good enough for UTEP fans.

I prefer however to get a young, hungry coach. I'm willing to sacrifice bad seasons for the excitement and promise of a rare and talented team.

I guess that is where I differ from most UTEP fans.

Like in Football, most UTEP fans are willing to settle for a household name coach that will successful seasons and an occasional great season.

I'm not like that. I want UTEP to land a great young coach that takes them to the final four like Shaka Smart or takes the football program into the top ten like the Houston Coach did.

Tim Floyd is a Haskins disciple and he will be good enough for most UTEP fans. I just don't want to wake up 5 or 6 years from now waiting for UTEP to make the NCAA simply because Floyd is getting us into the NIT every year.

F'd up approach to maintaining a program's consistency, recruitment committments, and tradition (by having a hungry coach revolving door- I believe HR calls it high-turnover). But whatever.

I agree with one thing... You are NOTHING like most UTEP fans.

BTW- how can you mispell and fock up the previous coaches' soooo badly, and yet claim to be a UTEP fan? Most fans see the coach's name week in and out as a result of following them in the paper, online, etc........ enough times to know how to spell the names (or at least most of them).