(10-25-2012 02:43 PM)SMUfrat Wrote:  OK - I want to make sure I understand what is being said here...

So - Lets say the NBE is an upgrade in teams. in 2015, the NBE ends the year with....

Rutgers#4 - conference champion
Louisville#12 - runner up
SMU#18
Boise#25

Ohio#14 - undefeated MAC Champ

Rutgers goes to SF Bowl - say Sugar Bowl this year Rutgers v. USC
7th Houston Bowl - Ohio v. TCU

So Louisville at #12, could be placed in Fiesta Bowl? Louisville v. Georgia

Or... would BE #2 (#12 Louisville) be selected for the Houston bowl because at 12, they are ranked above #14 Ohio...

That's all to be determined, although everything that has been written has put the emphasis on conference champions getting the slot, so I think #4 Rutgers would go to the semifinal and then #14 Ohio goes the Houston Bowl. This is part of the argument of putting pressure on BYU to join a conference - if they're an independent, then they can't win a conference (and therefore have no access to this bowl). If you start saying that non-champs can go into the Houston Bowl, then the argument for shutting BYU out of it weakens a lot (and the non-AQ conferences would likely fight to make sure there's a champ requirement so that they can take advantage of the hypothetical that you just pointed out where a Big East team gets a semifinal slot).

(10-25-2012 11:34 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  But McMurphy said...

Wasn't it McMurphy who wrote the cry baby story about the Big East keeping Aresco's name secert during their commissioner search ... thereby allowing the eventual hire? Or maybe it was some other ESPN writer. But it really tells you a lot that the Big East knew better than supply the name and that ESPN was so butt hurt about it afterwards. There's no doubt in my mind that ESPN is going to do anything they can to devalue the Big East.

(10-25-2012 02:54 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-25-2012 02:43 PM)SMUfrat Wrote:  OK - I want to make sure I understand what is being said here...

So - Lets say the NBE is an upgrade in teams. in 2015, the NBE ends the year with....

Rutgers#4 - conference champion
Louisville#12 - runner up
SMU#18
Boise#25

Ohio#14 - undefeated MAC Champ

Rutgers goes to SF Bowl - say Sugar Bowl this year Rutgers v. USC
7th Houston Bowl - Ohio v. TCU

So Louisville at #12, could be placed in Fiesta Bowl? Louisville v. Georgia

Or... would BE #2 (#12 Louisville) be selected for the Houston bowl because at 12, they are ranked above #14 Ohio...

That's all to be determined, although everything that has been written has put the emphasis on conference champions getting the slot, so I think #4 Rutgers would go to the semifinal and then #14 Ohio goes the Houston Bowl. This is part of the argument of putting pressure on BYU to join a conference - if they're an independent, then they can't win a conference (and therefore have no access to this bowl). If you start saying that non-champs can go into the Houston Bowl, then the argument for shutting BYU out of it weakens a lot (and the non-AQ conferences would likely fight to make sure there's a champ requirement so that they can take advantage of the hypothetical that you just pointed out where a Big East team gets a semifinal slot).

That's starting to look to me like the post-realignment price the may have to pay. The BE would be paying a premium by having to play in a 7th after losing the 6th bowl agreement. ND has had to pay a premium by hitching their fb wagon to the OB/ACC. The historical strength of the the non-AQ "bunch" is a lot weaker & i'm guessing so is their leverage.

(10-25-2012 11:25 AM)TheRock Wrote:  [EDIT]

https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status...6895505408

I threw in this quote from Dennis Dodd:

"(Larry)Scott says decision on seventh bowl is 6-9 months down the road."

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...e-and-well

Fowler says:

"The commissioners' discussion last month about adding a seventh playoff bowl has legs and the concept is not fading, Big East Commissioner Mike Aresco told CBS Sports."

"The commissioners have all voiced support for this," Aresco said. "I don't know where the talk of it not happening came from, but we're pretty confident it can get done. We think it has real value."

"As for conference realignment, Aresco believes the Big East will be comfortable with up to 14 teams but doesn't envision 16-team expansion. Navy joins in 2015 as the 13th team, and the Big East would like to add one more, possibly Air Force."

How did Dennis Dodd and Jeremy Fowler get NAMED sources...while ESPN's McMurphy AGAIN comes up with the infamous "unnamed source" in his article yesterday?

Weird.

(10-25-2012 11:25 AM)TheRock Wrote:  [EDIT]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...e-and-well



"The commissioners have all voiced support for this," Aresco said. "I don't know where the talk of it not happening came from...

ESPN TV negotiators?

(10-25-2012 02:54 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-25-2012 02:43 PM)SMUfrat Wrote:  OK - I want to make sure I understand what is being said here...

So - Lets say the NBE is an upgrade in teams. in 2015, the NBE ends the year with....

Rutgers#4 - conference champion
Louisville#12 - runner up
SMU#18
Boise#25

Ohio#14 - undefeated MAC Champ

Rutgers goes to SF Bowl - say Sugar Bowl this year Rutgers v. USC
7th Houston Bowl - Ohio v. TCU

So Louisville at #12, could be placed in Fiesta Bowl? Louisville v. Georgia

Or... would BE #2 (#12 Louisville) be selected for the Houston bowl because at 12, they are ranked above #14 Ohio...

That's all to be determined, although everything that has been written has put the emphasis on conference champions getting the slot, so I think #4 Rutgers would go to the semifinal and then #14 Ohio goes the Houston Bowl. This is part of the argument of putting pressure on BYU to join a conference - if they're an independent, then they can't win a conference (and therefore have no access to this bowl). If you start saying that non-champs can go into the Houston Bowl, then the argument for shutting BYU out of it weakens a lot (and the non-AQ conferences would likely fight to make sure there's a champ requirement so that they can take advantage of the hypothetical that you just pointed out where a Big East team gets a semifinal slot).

I know that the bowl would like to have UL in that spot because they know we would show up in droves to the bowl....now if it is the case that its conference champs first, and UL were sent to the Russell Athletic bowl to play ACC #3/4 and this happened multiple times, then there would be some headscratching coming from our fan base.

Why not have the bowls be open to selecting the top10 teams regardless of conf. affiliation, isnt that the fair and logical way???

(10-25-2012 05:42 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  

(10-25-2012 02:54 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(10-25-2012 02:43 PM)SMUfrat Wrote:  OK - I want to make sure I understand what is being said here...

So - Lets say the NBE is an upgrade in teams. in 2015, the NBE ends the year with....

Rutgers#4 - conference champion
Louisville#12 - runner up
SMU#18
Boise#25

Ohio#14 - undefeated MAC Champ

Rutgers goes to SF Bowl - say Sugar Bowl this year Rutgers v. USC
7th Houston Bowl - Ohio v. TCU

So Louisville at #12, could be placed in Fiesta Bowl? Louisville v. Georgia

Or... would BE #2 (#12 Louisville) be selected for the Houston bowl because at 12, they are ranked above #14 Ohio...

That's all to be determined, although everything that has been written has put the emphasis on conference champions getting the slot, so I think #4 Rutgers would go to the semifinal and then #14 Ohio goes the Houston Bowl. This is part of the argument of putting pressure on BYU to join a conference - if they're an independent, then they can't win a conference (and therefore have no access to this bowl). If you start saying that non-champs can go into the Houston Bowl, then the argument for shutting BYU out of it weakens a lot (and the non-AQ conferences would likely fight to make sure there's a champ requirement so that they can take advantage of the hypothetical that you just pointed out where a Big East team gets a semifinal slot).

I know that the bowl would like to have UL in that spot because they know we would show up in droves to the bowl....now if it is the case that its conference champs first, and UL were sent to the Russell Athletic bowl to play ACC #3/4 and this happened multiple times, then there would be some headscratching coming from our fan base.

I dont know why there would be head scratching. Its a bowl for conference champions. If Louisville had won the confernece championship, but was rated behind Rutgers---Louisville would get to go to the bowl. Its simply placing a premium on winning the conference.

(10-25-2012 05:43 PM)Hardcore Bronc Wrote:  Why not have the bowls be open to selecting the top10 teams regardless of conf. affiliation, isnt that the fair and logical way???

The bowl system is all about the dollar, fair has never had anything to do with it. Not trying be cynical with my answer, that's the truth of it. If the system were fair we'd have no bowls, a 16 team playoff and it would have been implemented three decades ago.

(10-25-2012 05:55 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(10-25-2012 05:43 PM)Hardcore Bronc Wrote:  Why not have the bowls be open to selecting the top10 teams regardless of conf. affiliation, isnt that the fair and logical way???

The bowl system is all about the dollar, fair has never had anything to do with it. Not trying be cynical with my answer, that's the truth of it. If the system were fair we'd have no bowls, a 16 team playoff and it would have been implemented three decades ago.

Exactly. It's all about getting the schools with the most footbal fans (mostly t-shirt), tradition, television draw, etc. Bowls are a free enterprise business venture. In the grand scheme of things they don't mean anything other than a way for sponsoring corporations & host cities to make money.

(10-26-2012 08:44 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-25-2012 05:55 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(10-25-2012 05:43 PM)Hardcore Bronc Wrote:  Why not have the bowls be open to selecting the top10 teams regardless of conf. affiliation, isnt that the fair and logical way???

The bowl system is all about the dollar, fair has never had anything to do with it. Not trying be cynical with my answer, that's the truth of it. If the system were fair we'd have no bowls, a 16 team playoff and it would have been implemented three decades ago.

Exactly. It's all about getting the schools with the most footbal fans (mostly t-shirt), tradition, television draw, etc. Bowls are a free enterprise business venture. In the grand scheme of things they don't mean anything other than a way for sponsoring corporations & host cities to make money.

That is a rare thing that ECU and UC fans agree on Both schools certainly have a long history of bowl snubs.

(10-26-2012 08:44 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-25-2012 05:55 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(10-25-2012 05:43 PM)Hardcore Bronc Wrote:  Why not have the bowls be open to selecting the top10 teams regardless of conf. affiliation, isnt that the fair and logical way???

The bowl system is all about the dollar, fair has never had anything to do with it. Not trying be cynical with my answer, that's the truth of it. If the system were fair we'd have no bowls, a 16 team playoff and it would have been implemented three decades ago.

Exactly. It's all about getting the schools with the most footbal fans (mostly t-shirt), tradition, television draw, etc. Bowls are a free enterprise business venture. In the grand scheme of things they don't mean anything other than a way for sponsoring corporations & host cities to make money.

And they do mostly under the disguise of 'non-profit' organization. It is a racket that the Mafia would be proud of.

(10-26-2012 10:24 AM)Blackman Wrote:  

(10-26-2012 08:44 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(10-25-2012 05:55 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(10-25-2012 05:43 PM)Hardcore Bronc Wrote:  Why not have the bowls be open to selecting the top10 teams regardless of conf. affiliation, isnt that the fair and logical way???

The bowl system is all about the dollar, fair has never had anything to do with it. Not trying be cynical with my answer, that's the truth of it. If the system were fair we'd have no bowls, a 16 team playoff and it would have been implemented three decades ago.

Exactly. It's all about getting the schools with the most footbal fans (mostly t-shirt), tradition, television draw, etc. Bowls are a free enterprise business venture. In the grand scheme of things they don't mean anything other than a way for sponsoring corporations & host cities to make money.

And they do mostly under the disguise of 'non-profit' organization. It is a racket that the Mafia would be proud of.

I agree. The NCAA should loose its tax exempt status if it does not set up a equal opportunity championship.