Whenever I hear about voter suppression or voter fraud. It just makes my blood boil. I think the reason it is so rampant is because both sides believe the other side is getting an unfair advantage over it. Whenever I see long lines in urban centers to vote. I think about the thousands of people who probably just walk away. I'm sure the right can bombard me with tales of over votes in D circles. We tune in to our bias. I would hope we could put some type of blue ribbon panel together and ensure a fair and just election. I would hope both parties understand that it diminishes the winner of either party when something isn't considered legitimate. I really can't stand it and I truly believe this issue should be of the utmost importance in our system. THE WINNER must be seen as legit by both sides.

(10-11-2012 07:47 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Whenever I hear about voter suppression or voter fraud. It just makes my blood boil.

Ok.

Quote: Whenever I see long lines in urban centers to vote. I think about the thousands of people who probably just walk away. I'm sure the right can bombard me with tales of over votes in D circles.

Total non sequitor.

Fraud- the dems love it! Why do you think they don't want to require an ID? Everyone else requires an ID. Even the democratic convention required ID.

DO YOU PARTISAN HACKS UNDERSTAND IT"S A TWO WAY STREET.

or are we worried about fraud just on the other side? Telling.................

(10-11-2012 08:04 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Fraud- the dems love it! Why do you think they don't want to require an ID? Everyone else requires an ID. Even the democratic convention required ID.

Because voting is a right. Going to the democratic national convention is not.

(10-11-2012 07:47 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Whenever I hear about voter suppression or voter fraud. It just makes my blood boil. I think the reason it is so rampant is because both sides believe the other side is getting an unfair advantage over it. Whenever I see long lines in urban centers to vote. I think about the thousands of people who probably just walk away. I'm sure the right can bombard me with tales of over votes in D circles. We tune in to our bias. I would hope we could put some type of blue ribbon panel together and ensure a fair and just election. I would hope both parties understand that it diminishes the winner of either party when something isn't considered legitimate. I really can't stand it and I truly believe this issue should be of the utmost importance in our system. THE WINNER must be seen as legit by both sides.

Obama tends to ignore every pice of sound advice a panel gives him so I'm not hopeful...

That and the Texas Democratic party getting caught, on film, enabling someone to vote in two states does not give me and confidence. One of my senators was elected because 10K+ felons voted!

BTW If you can't wait in line to vote, well, that's not suppression. People used to walk miles to the polls, wait, walk home from the polls.

BTW If you can't wait in line to vote, well, that's not suppression.



Your tune would change if it was you waiting 10 hours in line.

(10-11-2012 09:31 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  BTW If you can't wait in line to vote, well, that's not suppression.



Your tune would change if it was you waiting 10 hours in line.

When people in Iraq waited in line for 10 hours to vote in 2005, under the threat of car bombs, drive bys and suicide bombers, people who refuse to vote in the US are just ignorant.

(10-11-2012 09:01 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 08:04 AM)KNIGHTTIME Wrote:  Fraud- the dems love it! Why do you think they don't want to require an ID? Everyone else requires an ID. Even the democratic convention required ID.

Because voting is a right. Going to the democratic national convention is not.

Straw man.

Elections are the means to the end: Power.

People who want it will cheat to get it. The system will be gamed and abuses will be committed. The only way to combat it is to be vigilant against the shenanigans. Voter ID is one way to do that. Neither side truly gives a damn about clean elections or voter fraud. They just want to make good and damn sure that their side's gets counted, and if the other side's doesn't, well boo-friggin'-hoo.

The thing is, we all suffer when we don't trust the results.

Just remember this: integrity of the process doesn't count. Winning does.

Give me one honest Democrat that R's would trust to do the right thing. I would give you John McCain. I would trust John McCain to do the right thing. I'll be surprised if the right could come up with a D they think is honest. The right's smear machine does a pretty good job of destroying the credibility of any up and coming D. Any D anyone feel is credible? Dennis Kucinich? Right wing radio here in Ohio chewed him up for years.

I'd give you Kucinich. I think he's crazy and his politics are from deep left field, but I've got no beef with his integrity.

The problem is the ideologues who think they are so righteous and the other side is so evil that they'll justify stealing an election because "it's THAT important".

(10-11-2012 10:33 AM)Smaug Wrote:  The problem is the ideologues who think they are so righteous and the other side is so evil that they'll justify stealing an election because "it's THAT important".

Well it is for the children.

(10-11-2012 10:51 AM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(10-11-2012 10:33 AM)Smaug Wrote:  The problem is the ideologues who think they are so righteous and the other side is so evil that they'll justify stealing an election because "it's THAT important".

Well it is for the children.

And those socialists are ruining America.

It's a two-way street.

(10-11-2012 09:31 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Your tune would change if it was you waiting 10 hours in line.

And what makes you think I have not? I grew up in a Democratically run city, within a democratically run state... So yes I've waited a dang long time to vote in my life. Heck my parents have taken the day off to vote in the past because, well, voting is that important.

You're not qualified to try and get in my head..

(10-11-2012 10:12 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Give me one honest Democrat that R's would trust to do the right thing. I would give you John McCain. I would trust John McCain to do the right thing. I'll be surprised if the right could come up with a D they think is honest. The right's smear machine does a pretty good job of destroying the credibility of any up and coming D. Any D anyone feel is credible? Dennis Kucinich? Right wing radio here in Ohio chewed him up for years.

Zell Miller, Joe Biden, ...

Since the democrats started purging their ranks of moderate and conservative members several years ago there are not too many.

Kucinich will do what he thinks is right but that does not mean his socialist/Marxist agenda is something I would call "doing the right thing"

I vote no on the plagiarist.

I would be fine if all precincts have to wait 10 hours to vote. It's the 5 minute suburb wait vs. the 10 hour urban wait that's ridiculous. I can't even believe we are arguing this. Just the fact that you can't see the incredibly hypocritical approach and then the cherry on top "trying to justify it". It makes me weep for humanity.


Bull- There is a difference in honesty vs. political ideaology. The difference seems to escape you. Kucinich's politics have no bearing on honesty. One should be able to look at a situation and see the disparity without partisan blinders. You can have voter ID immediately if we can ensure proper amounts of voting machines in precincts. It shouldn't be that damn hard. Look at the rolls and divide by machines. Each precinct gets the same number.