(10-01-2012 11:40 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(10-01-2012 11:24 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(10-01-2012 10:11 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(10-01-2012 07:37 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(10-01-2012 07:22 PM)Crebman Wrote:  Part of the reason is the status quo holds almost all the money.......until other groups can begin to play on the same money level as the Rs and Ds it will be a tough go.

Without the finances it's tough to get a message out to enough places to be a major player.

Which will be never unfortunately. With the internet you'd think it would be easy to spread the message. But the message gets ignored or ridiculed, point blank. I've been saying for months that both candidates aren't worth a damn and I'm taking my vote elsewhere. The reception I've gotten is that I'm wasting my vote or I'm helping Obama win... yada yada. Some very good people that wants a legit change are voting for status quo more to get Obama out of the White House than get Romney elected. Now who's really wasting their vote?

You are wasting your vote. Electing your guy is not different than getting a job. You can't start at the top. Want to elect a Libertarian? Start at the state level, then Congressional seats, then Senate seats, and THEN run for President.

What you're doing now is the same thing as a kid fresh out of school refusing to take a job because it isn't good enough for them to start at the bottom.

So me biting my tongue and voting for someone that I feel is as bad or worse than Obama is the correct thing to do.

How bout the folks that vote for Obama just because he's black, how bout the folks that are voting for Romney because Obama is black or, how bout those that are voting for Romney only because he's a Republican?

I'm sorry but how are those people that I described not wasting their votes but I am. ook. That's bullsh*t. You people that vote for the lessor of 2 evils are the ones that are wasting your votes... NOT ME.

You are right that the focus does have to work on getting Libertarians on Local, State, and Federal Ballots.

Seriously, which of the two men as President will make it easier to get Libertarians into local and state offices? Isn't that the man to vote for?

None of the above. lol

And Claw... I found your analogy flawed...

Me voting for Gary Johnson would be like turning down the LA Times & NY Times to work for the Johnstown Tribune-Democrat.

(10-01-2012 11:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  As long as the two major parties retain their current positions on issues, I will vote and pray and cheer for gridlock at every opportunity. Gridlock is far preferable to what either democrats or republicans want.

Yea gridlock. The best and last friend of the limited government crowd. I hate it when they compromise to "get something done". Every time that happens a little more of my freedom is chipped away.

What I see is a new breed of politician. One that rides the political coattails of their predecessor to get elected. Then one that votes present and disclaims almost all responsibility. Voters are easily duped as always.

(10-01-2012 10:11 PM)Claw Wrote:  

(10-01-2012 07:37 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  

(10-01-2012 07:22 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(10-01-2012 06:17 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  Fo Shizzle,

The thing is, when will the Indpendent voter totally say f*ck it and take their vote elsewhere. I don't think we're at this point yet. The majority of Americans, Independent or not, are still voting for status quo.

Part of the reason is the status quo holds almost all the money.......until other groups can begin to play on the same money level as the Rs and Ds it will be a tough go.

Without the finances it's tough to get a message out to enough places to be a major player.

Which will be never unfortunately. With the internet you'd think it would be easy to spread the message. But the message gets ignored or ridiculed, point blank. I've been saying for months that both candidates aren't worth a damn and I'm taking my vote elsewhere. The reception I've gotten is that I'm wasting my vote or I'm helping Obama win... yada yada. Some very good people that wants a legit change are voting for status quo more to get Obama out of the White House than get Romney elected. Now who's really wasting their vote?

You are wasting your vote. Electing your guy is not different than getting a job. You can't start at the top. Want to elect a Libertarian? Start at the state level, then Congressional seats, then Senate seats, and THEN run for President.

What you're doing now is the same thing as a kid fresh out of school refusing to take a job because it isn't good enough for them to start at the bottom.

Of course....Participate in the same failing system to obtain a different result. That will work.

(10-01-2012 11:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  As long as the two major parties retain their current positions on issues, I will vote and pray and cheer for gridlock at every opportunity. Gridlock is far preferable to what either democrats or republicans want.

This.

(10-01-2012 09:35 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  BUT THEY"RE SO DIFFERENT ON LIKE 3 ISSUES!!

Not even. In the end...the result is the same failure.

(10-01-2012 06:11 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-01-2012 05:28 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  What a great find!

I gotta say that the 24/7 Cable News Channels are a great contributer to this. Yes I'm Registered Republican but I don't follow party lines on every single issue. In fact, after this election I may change to either Indy or Libertarian. But I don't support every Libertarian viewpoint.

I just get the feeling that Americans would vote for the Devil himself if he ran for your party.

The one thing I was surprised w/ is what MoTown Bronco pointed out. I actually thought we made progress in regards to out of race marriage over the past 50 years.

You hit on something that I believe is important. Technology is fueling a new generation of voter. They have instant access to information and can quickly find out if that information is BS.

I predict that this new generation will move away from BOTH gangs. They are tired of the BS. Where they end up is up for grabs. Neither party is addressing the Independent voters wants and needs. They both are catering to their bases.

The technology works both ways. People can also find information that fits their beliefs and reinforces it. What I may call BS you may call the gospel - or vice versa. As they said in the Big Chill - "rationalization is more important than sex. When is the last time you went a week w/o rationalizing?"

(10-01-2012 05:28 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  What a great find!

I gotta say that the 24/7 Cable News Channels are a great contributer to this. Yes I'm Registered Republican but I don't follow party lines on every single issue. In fact, after this election I may change to either Indy or Libertarian. But I don't support every Libertarian viewpoint.

I just get the feeling that Americans would vote for the Devil himself if he ran for your party.

The one thing I was surprised w/ is what MoTown Bronco pointed out. I actually thought we made progress in regards to out of race marriage over the past 50 years.

I liked Virginia in that I never had to register by party and could vote in the primary of my choice. In DC I registered as a democrat since the primaries are closed and most decisions are made in the dem primary. Although I tend to be a ticket splitter on the general - and did a write in for Fenty in the last mayoral race after he lost the primary (although he actually won the gop primary on write in votes, he declined to run in the general as a republican. I think all primaries should be open, and am working to try and change that in DC (or at least allow independents to vote in any primary).

I plan to vote for Bruce Majors, the libertarian candidate for our non-voting member in congress. I like Norton, but she will win anyway regardless of how I vote and if he gets 7,500 votes the libertarian (or should I say libs?) are guaranteed a spot on the next election ballot w/o going through the qualifying process.

BTW – interracial marriages have skyrocketed – apparently they have the same political beliefs.

(10-02-2012 05:29 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(10-01-2012 09:35 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  BUT THEY"RE SO DIFFERENT ON LIKE 3 ISSUES!!

Not even. In the end...the result is the same failure.

No, they're significantly different on abortion and...um...I think there's more here. Gay Marriage, sorta?

(10-02-2012 09:03 AM)dcCid Wrote:  

(10-01-2012 05:28 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  What a great find!

I gotta say that the 24/7 Cable News Channels are a great contributer to this. Yes I'm Registered Republican but I don't follow party lines on every single issue. In fact, after this election I may change to either Indy or Libertarian. But I don't support every Libertarian viewpoint.

I just get the feeling that Americans would vote for the Devil himself if he ran for your party.

The one thing I was surprised w/ is what MoTown Bronco pointed out. I actually thought we made progress in regards to out of race marriage over the past 50 years.

I liked Virginia in that I never had to register by party and could vote in the primary of my choice. In DC I registered as a democrat since the primaries are closed and most decisions are made in the dem primary. Although I tend to be a ticket splitter on the general - and did a write in for Fenty in the last mayoral race after he lost the primary (although he actually won the gop primary on write in votes, he declined to run in the general as a republican. I think all primaries should be open, and am working to try and change that in DC (or at least allow independents to vote in any primary).

I plan to vote for Bruce Majors, the libertarian candidate for our non-voting member in congress. I like Norton, but she will win anyway regardless of how I vote and if he gets 7,500 votes the libertarian (or should I say libs?) are guaranteed a spot on the next election ballot w/o going through the qualifying process.

BTW – interracial marriages have skyrocketed – apparently they have the same political beliefs.

NC has the same voting law. If you are registered "non affiliated" you may vote in either primary. Lots of people are registered this way and is the fastest growing segment of the population in regard to registered voters.

(10-02-2012 03:57 AM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  What I see is a new breed of politician. One that rides the political coattails of their predecessor to get elected. Then one that votes present and disclaims almost all responsibility. Voters are easily duped as always.

I have to agree.

(10-02-2012 01:00 AM)TheDancinMonarch Wrote:  

(10-01-2012 11:46 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  As long as the two major parties retain their current positions on issues, I will vote and pray and cheer for gridlock at every opportunity. Gridlock is far preferable to what either democrats or republicans want.

Yea gridlock. The best and last friend of the limited government crowd. I hate it when they compromise to "get something done". Every time that happens a little more of my freedom is chipped away.

On point.