Can anyone answer the following question?

How much money has ETSU saved over the last nine years on athletics by not playing football?

(09-29-2012 03:25 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  Can anyone answer the following question?

How much money has ETSU saved over the last nine years on athletics by not playing football?

im, no math whiz, but if they were losing 1 million per year, i would assume they have saved 9 million plus...

somebody check my math.

(09-29-2012 03:25 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  Can anyone answer the following question?

How much money has ETSU saved over the last nine years on athletics by not playing football?

Not much if you are spending $720,000 on a digital scoreboard.

(09-29-2012 04:01 PM)Seattle Bucs Wrote:  

(09-29-2012 03:25 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  Can anyone answer the following question?

How much money has ETSU saved over the last nine years on athletics by not playing football?

Not much if you are spending $720,000 on a digital scoreboard.

would you rather they put it in the bank for a rainy day?

(09-29-2012 04:03 PM)slappywhite Wrote:  

(09-29-2012 04:01 PM)Seattle Bucs Wrote:  

(09-29-2012 03:25 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  Can anyone answer the following question?

How much money has ETSU saved over the last nine years on athletics by not playing football?

Not much if you are spending $720,000 on a digital scoreboard.

would you rather they put it in the bank for a rainy day?

Yes.

(09-29-2012 04:06 PM)Seattle Bucs Wrote:  

(09-29-2012 04:03 PM)slappywhite Wrote:  

(09-29-2012 04:01 PM)Seattle Bucs Wrote:  

(09-29-2012 03:25 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  Can anyone answer the following question?

How much money has ETSU saved over the last nine years on athletics by not playing football?

Not much if you are spending $720,000 on a digital scoreboard.

would you rather they put it in the bank for a rainy day?

Yes.

etsu is dam%$@ if they do and dam%$# if they dont i guess

That is not entirely fair.

I don't have any problem with a $720,000 scoreboard in general. Especially if ETSU is going to use the new facilities to position themselves for a better conference. However, I wonder why a stadium originally designed for 400 fans would need such an elaborate scoreboard. How many years of "marketing revenue" will it take to pay for itself? Will the state-of-the-art board be used to its full potential by ETSU? Does the baseball team warrant such a scoreboard in the first place?

As for the rainy day? Yeah, put the $720,00 towards the future Track and Field complex. Or Dome renovations. Or the future basketball/convocation center.

(09-29-2012 03:44 PM)slappywhite Wrote:  

(09-29-2012 03:25 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  Can anyone answer the following question?

How much money has ETSU saved over the last nine years on athletics by not playing football?

im, no math whiz, but if they were losing 1 million per year, i would assume they have saved 9 million plus...

somebody check my math.

In checking your math, are you saying that $9 million has been removed (not spent on athletics) from the combined athletic budgets from 2004 through 2012 to realize this $9 million savings? If so, that would mean that the first million saved would have been seen in the 2004-05 budget, the first year after football was dropped. That 2004-05 budget was $6.9 million. Compare that to the 2003-04 budget, the last year of football. It was $6.7 million. I'm no math whiz, but that does not look like a $1 million savings the first year after football was dropped. Seems like that 2004-05 budget should have been around $5.7 million with $1 million saved taken out. In looking at each succeeding budget after 2004-05, each increased substantially with no evidence of any reductions.

There has been no such thing as $9 million, $1 million, $100.00, or 50 cents saved on athletics since football was dropped.

ETSU lost $8 million last year on minor sports. And no one complained. The University has lost heavily since dropping football. Alumni, community, fans, students, athletes. All big losers the last nine years. If it is ok(and I belive it is) for the minor sports which did not bring in a penny last year to lose $8 million a year then we definitely should put some of that money into football which would at least bring in some money and exposure and publicity light the front porch of the University. Cannot believe we have to listen the the worn out discredited arguments about football. Time to move forward and get back in the game.

(09-29-2012 06:58 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  ETSU lost $8 million last year on minor sports. And no one complained. The University has lost heavily since dropping football. Alumni, community, fans, students, athletes. All big losers the last nine years. If it is ok(and I belive it is) for the minor sports which did not bring in a penny last year to lose $8 million a year then we definitely should put some of that money into football which would at least bring in some money and exposure and publicity light the front porch of the University. Cannot believe we have to listen the the worn out discredited arguments about football. Time to move forward and get back in the game.

You point out the most basic thing that the athletic sub-committee of the Committee for 125 must look at. Is this the way to spend athletic money for the return derived? If this was an investment strategy, it would end up deep in the red and out of business. This is the worst way to spend athletic money if you believe that athletics is the front porch of the university. If this is not addressed, this committee will fail to move ETSU athletics forward.

(09-29-2012 06:02 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  

(09-29-2012 03:44 PM)slappywhite Wrote:  

(09-29-2012 03:25 PM)Buc66 Wrote:  Can anyone answer the following question?

How much money has ETSU saved over the last nine years on athletics by not playing football?

im, no math whiz, but if they were losing 1 million per year, i would assume they have saved 9 million plus...

somebody check my math.

In checking your math, are you saying that $9 million has been removed (not spent on athletics) from the combined athletic budgets from 2004 through 2012 to realize this $9 million savings? If so, that would mean that the first million saved would have been seen in the 2004-05 budget, the first year after football was dropped. That 2004-05 budget was $6.9 million. Compare that to the 2003-04 budget, the last year of football. It was $6.7 million. I'm no math whiz, but that does not look like a $1 million savings the first year after football was dropped. Seems like that 2004-05 budget should have been around $5.7 million with $1 million saved taken out. In looking at each succeeding budget after 2004-05, each increased substantially with no evidence of any reductions.

There has been no such thing as $9 million, $1 million, $100.00, or 50 cents saved on athletics since football was dropped.

no, what i said was the answer to your question.

by NOT playing football, etsu didnt lose 1 milion per year for 9 years = 9 million dollars. i did, however, assume it would have continued to lose that much per year...and that was an assumption that favors your argument because football would have more than likely lost more than that.

(09-29-2012 04:51 PM)Seattle Bucs Wrote:  That is not entirely fair.

I don't have any problem with a $720,000 scoreboard in general. Especially if ETSU is going to use the new facilities to position themselves for a better conference. However, I wonder why a stadium originally designed for 400 fans would need such an elaborate scoreboard. How many years of "marketing revenue" will it take to pay for itself? Will the state-of-the-art board be used to its full potential by ETSU? Does the baseball team warrant such a scoreboard in the first place?

As for the rainy day? Yeah, put the $720,00 towards the future Track and Field complex. Or Dome renovations. Or the future basketball/convocation center.

no, thats dam%$# if you do and dam%$# if you dont. etsu cannot win with you guys. you should all be running athletic departments somewhere.

I believe Old Gray Dog posted on a different thread about App State losing money every year and essentially floating a debt. And that's App State with the Michigan upset etc. And App State used to kick our butt regularly and won 3 national titles with this craz notion called a playoff that the 'major' level can't get i touch with. Check it out, because that's real data, but yes, it loses money @ this level in a big way. Regardless, is it worth it?

It probably is worth it, but just figure out a way to support it and offset the loss. All realists can hope is that everyone on here recruits about 5,000 of their closest friends and make it a winner.

The $720K was wisely spent - you MUST spend to upgrade, I'm fine with that. And I'm out for a good long while.

http://e2.ma/message/iplxd/mw9nd

“ETSU Athletics is excited to partner with TS Sports to provide our fans and corporate sponsors with a state-of-the-art video display board to enhance game day experience and corporate exposure. This video board gives ETSU our first opportunity in our new athletic venues to provide the latest in LED technology,” said ETSU Director of Athletics, Dave Mullins. “Thomas Stadium will become an even more spectacular new baseball stadium for the Buccaneers because of live video replays, creative advertising productions, and in-game fan promotions. We appreciate the expertise of the TS Sports team members who are helping us create the same experience for our fans as those in the NBA, NFL, Minor League Baseball, BCS Football, NASCAR, or Formula 1 racing.”

(09-30-2012 03:01 AM)Seattle Bucs Wrote:  http://e2.ma/message/iplxd/mw9nd

“ETSU Athletics is excited to partner with TS Sports to provide our fans and corporate sponsors with a state-of-the-art video display board to enhance game day experience and corporate exposure. This video board gives ETSU our first opportunity in our new athletic venues to provide the latest in LED technology,” said ETSU Director of Athletics, Dave Mullins. “Thomas Stadium will become an even more spectacular new baseball stadium for the Buccaneers because of live video replays, creative advertising productions, and in-game fan promotions. We appreciate the expertise of the TS Sports team members who are helping us create the same experience for our fans as those in the NBA, NFL, Minor League Baseball, BCS Football, NASCAR, or Formula 1 racing.”

I think all Bucs fans are excited and proud of the new field and scoreboard. They are state of the art. The problem with them is that they are being done without work on a football stadium. That is what we need and want. Priorities. If grading was being done on a football stadium on campus noboby would be complaining about any spending on any sport no matter how minor the sport.

ETSU continues to this day on a course for athletics that is so out of touch that not one other state regional university in the nation will even look at it. Spending millions on a model that generates the least front porch of the university appeal makes no sense. And killing football to redistribute those expenditures to invisible sports flies directly in the face of athletics being the front porch of the university. This is the most telling thing, again, not one other state regional university in America has adopted the ETSU athletic finance model since 2003 or earlier. Does this make ETSU look foolish or what?

720k just about the cost of a field turf football field

http://www.fieldturf.com/football-turf/cost-analysis/

(09-30-2012 11:23 AM)Stateman Wrote:  720k just about the cost of a field turf football field

http://www.fieldturf.com/football-turf/cost-analysis/

Wow. A proven fact that it is very affordable to schools like ETSU.

(09-30-2012 11:25 AM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(09-30-2012 11:23 AM)Stateman Wrote:  720k just about the cost of a field turf football field

http://www.fieldturf.com/football-turf/cost-analysis/

Wow. A proven fact that it is very affordable to schools like ETSU.

High schools all over the Chattanooga area have fake grass. The expense was just an excuse to get football out the door. Here's the deal....Noland doesn't want anything to do with the dome for football. I don't understand. It's already built. Roll out the carpet and start playing. He wants a measured approach, well researched to insure that failure doesn't happen again. The egg on the face of a second football disappointment would be brutal. I think the Bucs needs to be concerned with basketball attendance. Last season 2011-2012 was terrible. I hope no one gets the bright idea of getting rid of basketball too.