Here's my problem:
Rivals A guy: "Carder will play"
Rivals A guy the next day: "Uh oh, I'm not that optimistic. Gotta check my sources."
me: "no ****, he's listed as questionable via mlive from the night before"
Carder is ruled out for the game
Rivals B guy: "let's give Rivals A guy some props for being on top of the story!"

wtf....props for what? Posting behind a paywall that someone is going home for the weekend?

I don't have a problem posting rumors and I can totally see wanting corroboration for a story before writing an "article". I appreciate the work the guys do too.

It's like someone wrote that Romney's going to lose the election on a subscription-only site. Romney loses, then everyone is like, "man that guy called it!"

(09-28-2012 02:41 PM)thegeneral Wrote:  Here's my problem:
Rivals A guy: "Carder will play"
Rivals A guy the next day: "Uh oh, I'm not that optimistic. Gotta check my sources."
me: "no ****, he's listed as questionable via mlive from the night before"
Carder is ruled out for the game
Rivals B guy: "let's give Rivals A guy some props for being on top of the story!"

wtf....props for what? Posting behind a paywall that someone is going home for the weekend?

I don't have a problem posting rumors and I can totally see wanting corroboration for a story before writing an "article".

It's like someone wrote that Romney's going to lose the election on a subscription-only site. Romney loses, then everyone is like, "man that guy called it!"

Stating the obvious...

Saturday-Carder removed from UCONN game

Sat to Sunday- Carder listed as questionable per mlive and rivals

Mon 12pm-DJ talked to Carder in class and openly stated his optimism for Carder's return against Toledo

Tue 9 am-DJ openly posts that his tune changed and he no longer was optimistic about Carder playing AND he had to verify with sources before he could print a story.

Tue 7 pm-mlive posts a story about carder being out for Toledo


Do you get the timeline now? So yeah, I would say you should probably give the kid some credit. He knew Carder wasn't playing before anyone else on this site (unless there are some real insiders). How did he know? Because he has class with players. He couldn't publish a story on it because he hadn't confirmed it with WMU. Hence the vague post at 9 am tuesday. He still has to play by their rules if he wants media passes and interviews.

I just think This post was missed by A LOT of people:

"Im not trying to start rumors.

When i posted that this morning, I wasn't sure if what i heard was true or not... I wanted to post something in here before i went to class, I got more info while i was in class, and this is the first time i have been to my computer since then... so im trying to bring more info here.

I've been told Alex will miss Toledo's game. Nothing has been confirmed by the team yet, but i think its a safe assumption at this point.

Sorry for any confusion."

12:00ish on tuesday.
EDIT: 12:02 pm, from the Alex Carder's Hand Injury thread. Post #42 (In the middle of Nacho's Med rant)
At that point, nothing had been confirmed by WMU, and i had a 2nd person tell me that Alex wasn't going to be playing. Because me and the guys at Rivals trust that person so much, we went ahead and published that Alex would miss the Toledo game, Without the approval of WMU.

(09-28-2012 02:41 PM)thegeneral Wrote:  Here's my problem:
Rivals A guy: "Carder will play"
Rivals A guy the next day: "Uh oh, I'm not that optimistic. Gotta check my sources."
me: "no ****, he's listed as questionable via mlive from the night before"
Carder is ruled out for the game
Rivals B guy: "let's give Rivals A guy some props for being on top of the story!"

wtf....props for what? Posting behind a paywall that someone is going home for the weekend?

I don't have a problem posting rumors and I can totally see wanting corroboration for a story before writing an "article". I appreciate the work the guys do too.

It's like someone wrote that Romney's going to lose the election on a subscription-only site. Romney loses, then everyone is like, "man that guy called it!"

This isn't how it happened at all, haha.

Yeah, *slightly* inaccurate (and embellished) timeline of events, lol...

"haters gonna hate!"

Quote:"haters gonna hate!"

No Brian, it's you. Don't flatter yourself.

(09-28-2012 09:52 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  

Quote:"haters gonna hate!"

No Brian, it's you. Don't flatter yourself.

You need to move on DB...

You'll need to quit first junior. Your act isn't only wearing thin on me....

(09-28-2012 09:19 PM)BrianPersky Wrote:  "haters gonna hate!"

I think this sums up these boards pretty nicely.

This place is where normal people go to get their daily fix of arguing like idiots over petty things for hours at a time.

No act. You've never even met me.

Good point, and going by what I know from here, we're good.

I'm glad broncophilly got 11 votes.

(09-28-2012 07:48 PM)wmubroncopilot Wrote:  

(09-28-2012 02:41 PM)thegeneral Wrote:  Here's my problem:
Rivals A guy: "Carder will play"
Rivals A guy the next day: "Uh oh, I'm not that optimistic. Gotta check my sources."
me: "no ****, he's listed as questionable via mlive from the night before"
Carder is ruled out for the game
Rivals B guy: "let's give Rivals A guy some props for being on top of the story!"

wtf....props for what? Posting behind a paywall that someone is going home for the weekend?

I don't have a problem posting rumors and I can totally see wanting corroboration for a story before writing an "article". I appreciate the work the guys do too.

It's like someone wrote that Romney's going to lose the election on a subscription-only site. Romney loses, then everyone is like, "man that guy called it!"

This isn't how it happened at all, haha.

That's exactly how it happened.

Hate to pile on guys, but I saw it like the General did.

You probably understandably didn't follow it all that closely, so I'll give you the timeline of events.

Monday 12:13pm: D.J. posted that he talked to Alex in class and was optimistic about him playing against Toledo, and posted that here. This was before any official report of him being questionable, but that was mostly assumed because he had left the game against UConn. At this point, it's really just message board banter, we didn't even publish anything on our site because we didn't have anything we'd consider actual news.

Monday 10:00pm: MLive confirms basically what we knew, as the team announced he was questionable.

Tuesday 9:02am: D.J. heard a rumor on campus that Carder was headed to Kansas to see a specialist and would be out for the Toledo game at least.. This is when he said that he was no longer optimistic on this site. Again, nothing on our site because we didn't feel anything was concrete enough to be published as news. Basically, more message board banter (isn't that what they're for?).

Tuesday 11:00am: At the press luncheon, both myself (David James) and D.J. received texts from Brian Persky that a very connected and reliable individual had confirmed to Brian that what D.J. had heard was true. He went on to say that he'd likely be out around four weeks.

Tuesday 11:31am: Shortly after leaving the luncheon, I posted an update on our site, with the headline "Sources: Carder out for Toledo". Note that we're now reporting this as news, and the update included the four weeks as mentioned, the trip to Kansas that hadn't been made public yet, and, most importantly, the actual words "Carder out for Toledo". While we couldn't officially say he was out due to the university's statement that he was questionable, that was as strong a statement as we could make.

This is very important to note for me because at this point, we're publishing a story as real news, with my name attached to it. Before this point, we didn't feel comfortable putting anything on the site because we weren't sure enough, we were just sharing things we heard with you guys on a message board because we like sharing info with people are passionate about the university.

We also tweeted the update: "We now have multiple sources close to the program saying that Alex Carder will miss the Toledo game," as well as a link to the update on our site. By the way, that was retweeted by multiple news outlets, as well as University of Toledo Athletics and one of UT's Associate Athletic Directors. I only mention this to further the point that we're putting our names on the line, and if it turned out untrue, we'd have a lot of egg on our faces. So you can see why we'd have to be confident in what we reported.

Later that night, the news was made official by the University.

Unfortunately, the whole thing caught us some serious flak from the football program, including the athletic department suggesting we not come to practice for the week. Not to say we regret it or not, but it's something we had to deal with and we'll honestly likely handle differently in the future.

We're not looking for any particular amount of credit, but I hope you guys understand why I feel the need to defend myself and my colleagues when essentially our journalistic integrity is being called into question.

Sorry for the length of the post.

Quote:Unfortunately, the whole thing caught us some serious flak from the football program, including the athletic department suggesting we not come to practice for the week. Not to say we regret it or not, but it's something we had to deal with and we'll honestly likely handle differently in the future.

That's unfortunate. Sorry to hear that, really.

Quote:This is when he said that he was no longer optimistic on this site. Again, nothing on our site because we didn't feel anything was concrete enough to be published as news. Basically, more message board banter (isn't that what they're for?).

Not everyone sees it like us, especially when you have that dual role and haven't kept them separate. Ann offline PM type conversation with Dip might be in order about that if you haven't already had one, I'm sure he can help (me being serious again, I'll stop).

Thanks for the explanation and sorry you caught flak about this from the Department.

I'm not questioning your journalistic integrity. The only thing that was amateurish about the whole thing was the "hey, let's give him some props" comments after the fact. Real journalists don't need that verbal fellatio and it rubs me the wrong way.

And it's really too bad you caught flak. If you want to be a big-time program, you have to act like a big-time program. The same thing wouldn't happen if Angelique Chengelis posted the same thing in the News about u.m. (at least I don't think so).

(09-30-2012 10:00 AM)thegeneral Wrote:  Thanks for the explanation and sorry you caught flak about this from the Department.

I'm not questioning your journalistic integrity. The only thing that was amateurish about the whole thing was the "hey, let's give him some props" comments after the fact. Real journalists don't need that verbal fellatio and it rubs me the wrong way.

My bad on that one then. Let me take the heat then. I just found it frustrating that everybody on this board was ganging up against D.J. and giving him a bunch of crap for posting new info on the forum (like everyone else here does). And then when it was "officially" announced, nobody gave D.J. credit for actually being right about it. It just seems like whenever we provide (what I would call as a fan) "inside info," it's always questioned and called a "rumor" whereas when others report it, it's never even questioned for one second.

We're all just trying to provide good, solid, in-depth coverage for WMU. I appreciate the ones on this board that appreciate and understand our coverage.

(09-30-2012 10:03 AM)thegeneral Wrote:  And it's really too bad you caught flak. If you want to be a big-time program, you have to act like a big-time program. The same thing wouldn't happen if Angelique Chengelis posted the same thing in the News about u.m. (at least I don't think so).

Yep