Quote:but two girls clobbered a cleric recently in a small town in Iran, when he admonished one of them to cover herself more completely.
The cleric said he asked "politely," but the girl's angry reaction and some pugilistic double-teaming with her friend landed the holy man in the hospital, according to an account in the semiofficial Mehr News Agency on Monday. . . .
"She responded by telling me to cover my eyes, which was very insulting to me," Beheshti said. So he asked her a second time to cover up and also to put a lid on what he felt was verbal abuse.
She hit the man of the cloth, and he hit the ground.
"I don't remember what happened after that," he said. "I just felt her kicks and heard her insults."
We forget that before the Islamic Revolution in 79...Iran was very Western. I expect these girls know of this from their Mothers and yearn for those freedoms to return. There has to be large underground resentment among Iranian women. I would love to see them rise up and make life a living hell for the men in Iran. "Hell has no fury like a woman scorned"
Unfortunately...The Cleric probably knows who they were and did not have them arrested because he will seek HIS justice privately. It would not surprise me to hear that the father of this girl does the execution in the name of Allah.
(09-20-2012 08:08 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: We forget that before the Islamic Revolution in 79...Iran was very Western. I expect these girls know of this from their Mothers and yearn for those freedoms to return. There has to be large underground resentment among Iranian women. I would love to see them rise up and make life a living hell for the men in Iran. "Hell has no fury like a woman scorned"
Unfortunately...The Cleric probably knows who they were and did not have them arrested because he will seek HIS justice privately. It would not surprise me to hear that the father of this girl does the execution in the name of Allah.
That disregards the notion that Iran was very western was part of the reason there was a 1979 revolution.
Most countries in that region weren't very western because of societal dynamics, they were led that direction by autocratic regimes (at best). The legacy of Attaturk is probably done at this stage.
All of this said, I can't see this ending well for girls in the town in question.
(09-20-2012 08:08 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: We forget that before the Islamic Revolution in 79...Iran was very Western. I expect these girls know of this from their Mothers and yearn for those freedoms to return. There has to be large underground resentment among Iranian women. I would love to see them rise up and make life a living hell for the men in Iran. "Hell has no fury like a woman scorned"
Unfortunately...The Cleric probably knows who they were and did not have them arrested because he will seek HIS justice privately. It would not surprise me to hear that the father of this girl does the execution in the name of Allah.
That disregards the notion that Iran was very western was part of the reason there was a 1979 revolution.
Most countries in that region weren't very western because of societal dynamics, they were led that direction by autocratic regimes (at best). The legacy of Attaturk is probably done at this stage.
All of this said, I can't see this ending well for girls in the town in question.
What does it say about Islamic rule when the heavy hand of the Shah provided more freedom?
(09-20-2012 08:08 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: We forget that before the Islamic Revolution in 79...Iran was very Western. I expect these girls know of this from their Mothers and yearn for those freedoms to return. There has to be large underground resentment among Iranian women.
There's no reason to believe this. Many muslim women insist on this lifestyle, and are highly critical of others who don't follow it.
It's not sound reasoning to project your beliefs on others.
(09-20-2012 08:08 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: We forget that before the Islamic Revolution in 79...Iran was very Western. I expect these girls know of this from their Mothers and yearn for those freedoms to return. There has to be large underground resentment among Iranian women.
There's no reason to believe this. Many muslim women insist on this lifestyle, and are highly critical of others who don't follow it.
It's not sound reasoning to project your beliefs on others.
You are correct. I have no idea what they are thinking. This report does though seem to indicate that this is not an isolated occurrence of civil disobedience.
I've mentioned this before on this board - I once worked with an Iranian (born and raised in Iran) and he said the people there are dying to develop a culture like we have in the west. It's only because of those hard line clerics that they don't.
(09-20-2012 03:18 PM)smn1256 Wrote: I've mentioned this before on this board - I once worked with an Iranian (born and raised in Iran) and he said the people there are dying to develop a culture like we have in the west. It's only because of those hard line clerics that they don't.
I would think the consequences are too serious under Sharia law to attempt much of this. I submit though,that with oppression...regardless of its source..people eventually seek freedom.
(09-20-2012 03:18 PM)smn1256 Wrote: I've mentioned this before on this board - I once worked with an Iranian (born and raised in Iran) and he said the people there are dying to develop a culture like we have in the west. It's only because of those hard line clerics that they don't.
This is my perception as well. Iranians adapt to American culture very well and I think on a person to person basis, there's every reason to believe that Americans and Iranians relate very well. I think there's some truth to what I said about the revolution being due to government-directed westernization, but I think it's more true that that's been a problem in the Arab Emirate states and Afghanistan.
(09-20-2012 03:18 PM)smn1256 Wrote: I've mentioned this before on this board - I once worked with an Iranian (born and raised in Iran) and he said the people there are dying to develop a culture like we have in the west. It's only because of those hard line clerics that they don't.
I would think the consequences are too serious under Sharia law to attempt much of this. I submit though,that with oppression...regardless of its source..people eventually seek freedom.
I think there are some that are like smn's Iranian friend, but that's why they're in the US
Quote: I've lost count of the times I've found myself sitting at dinner next to a Westernized Arab woman d'un certain age who was at college in the Fifties, Sixties or Seventies, and listened to her tell me that back then "covering" was for wizened old biddies in upcountry villages, the Islamic equivalent of gnarled Russian babushkas. The future belonged to modern, uncovered women like her and her classmates.
The assumptions of her generation were off by 180 degrees: The female graduating class of Cairo University in the Fifties looked little different from Vassar. Half-a-century later, every woman is hijabed to the hilt. Mohammad Qayoumi, now the president of San Jose State University, recently published some photographs from the Afghanistan he grew up in: The girls in high heels and pencil skirts in the Kabul record stores of the 1960s aren't quite up to Carnaby Street cool, but they'd fit in in any HMV store in provincial England. Half a century later, it was forbidden by law for women to feel sunlight on their face, or leave the home without male permission. Even more amazing to my female dining companions, today you see more covered women in London's East End or the Rosengård district of Malmö, Sweden, than you do in Tunis or Amman.
The mistake made by virtually the entire Western media during the Arab Spring was to assume that social progress is like technological progress – that, like the wheel or the internal combustion engine, women's rights and gay rights cannot be disinvented. They can, very easily. In Egypt, the youth who voted for the Muslim Brotherhood are more fiercely Islamic than their grandparents who backed Nasser's Revolution in 1952. In Tunisia, the young are more proscriptive than the secular old-timers who turned a blind eye to the country's bars and brothels. In the developed world, we're told that Westernization is "inevitable." "Just wait and see," say the blithely complacent inevitablists. "They haven't yet had time to Westernize." But Westernization is every bit as resistible in Brussels and Toronto as it's proved in Cairo and Jalalabad. In the first ever poll of Irish Muslims, 37 percent said they would like Ireland to be governed by Islamic law. When the same question was put to young Irish Muslims, it was 57 percent. In other words, the hope'n'change generation are less Westernized than their parents. 36 percent of young British Muslims think the penalty for apostasy – i.e., leaving Islam – should be death. Had you asked the same question of British Muslims in 1970, I doubt the enthusiasts would have cracked double figures.
There are those who want what we call freedom, and those who see it differently. I have to respect those who see it differently, as long as they don't forcibly impose their beliefs on others.
Moreover, it's worth my while to see what works for them. Some of the assumptions that affect 21st C America (or the West) are possibly (probably) wrong. You don't learn if you don't challenge your beliefs.
Quote:Beheshti, who emerged from the infirmary three days later, said he did not file a complaint against the girls.
Yeah, b/c how does he know who they are?
Um Torchy, They weren't covering their heads that is what set this whole situation off. Could you at least do us all a favor and PLEASE try to think before you post. Oops. THinking is not something you can do.
(09-20-2012 08:08 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: We forget that before the Islamic Revolution in 79...Iran was very Western. I expect these girls know of this from their Mothers and yearn for those freedoms to return. There has to be large underground resentment among Iranian women.
There's no reason to believe this. Many muslim women insist on this lifestyle, and are highly critical of others who don't follow it.
It's not sound reasoning to project your beliefs on others.
You mean kind of like your barefoot and pregnant beliefs?
Quote:Beheshti, who emerged from the infirmary three days later, said he did not file a complaint against the girls.
Yeah, b/c how does he know who they are?
Um Torchy, They weren't covering their heads that is what set this whole situation off. Could you at least do us all a favor and PLEASE try to think before you post. Oops. THinking is not something you can do.
It is not clear from this report what parts of the body were not covered Rob.
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