CBO doubles estimate of Americans who'll end up paying the Obamacare "penalty".

And CNBC, you can go ahead and call it the tax everyone knew it was. John Roberts says so.

(09-20-2012 09:00 AM)Smaug Wrote:  CBO doubles estimate of Americans who'll end up paying the Obamacare "penalty".

And CNBC, you can go ahead and call it the tax everyone knew it was. John Roberts says so.

This is me not raising my hand.

but that's not me raising my hand

Cue Max...charts and graphs.

Obama proven a liar again? Shocking.

Before this is over this WILL be the largest social program ever conceived in America. It will dwarf SS eventually.

(09-20-2012 11:31 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Before this is over this WILL be the largest social program ever conceived in America. It will dwarf SS eventually.

By design.

(09-20-2012 11:31 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Before this is over this WILL be the largest social program ever conceived in America. It will dwarf SS eventually.

The ultimate control mechanism, wouldn't you agree?

(09-20-2012 09:00 AM)Smaug Wrote:  CBO doubles estimate of Americans who'll end up paying the Obamacare "penalty".

And CNBC, you can go ahead and call it the tax everyone knew it was. John Roberts says so.

I get so confused by you reichwingers. Is the CBO good or bad. It seems to flip flop depending on the issue(you like the issue CBO = good. you don't like it = bad).

(09-20-2012 01:44 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-20-2012 09:00 AM)Smaug Wrote:  CBO doubles estimate of Americans who'll end up paying the Obamacare "penalty".

And CNBC, you can go ahead and call it the tax everyone knew it was. John Roberts says so.

I get so confused by you reichwingers. Is the CBO good or bad. It seems to flip flop depending on the issue(you like the issue CBO = good. you don't like it = bad).

Go back to bed, Robert. Or couch. Or cardboard box. Whatever.

(09-20-2012 11:10 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Cue Max...charts and graphs.

Maxie doesn't show up on threads like this.

(09-20-2012 01:40 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(09-20-2012 11:31 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  Before this is over this WILL be the largest social program ever conceived in America. It will dwarf SS eventually.

The ultimate control mechanism, wouldn't you agree?

Yes. It is dastardly.

(09-20-2012 01:44 PM)RobertN Wrote:  

(09-20-2012 09:00 AM)Smaug Wrote:  CBO doubles estimate of Americans who'll end up paying the Obamacare "penalty".

And CNBC, you can go ahead and call it the tax everyone knew it was. John Roberts says so.

I get so confused by you reichwingers. Is the CBO good or bad. It seems to flip flop depending on the issue(you like the issue CBO = good. you don't like it = bad).

Your confusion stems from a lack of understanding what the CBO does.

If you have a proposal, you send it to the CBO. The CBO basically verifies your math. They also compare your estimates of certain things against THEIR estimates of certain things... generally the economy, but not every specificity within the economy. The CBO has doubled its estimate because the original estimate was based on projections about the economy, which are now worse. Whether they were right or not in the first place is somewhat immaterial. They assumed higher numbers than we are now expecting. That really doesn't endorse or refute the original conclusion as to effectiveness. It merely says that the things that primarily lead to the conclusion have been adjusted downward.

As the CBO said when they originally made the estimates... IF all of the things Obama's team projects will happen in terms of participation rates and cost savings etc etc etc come to pass, then the math works out THIS way based on economic forecasts. They only rarely pass judgement on the assumptions about cost savings etc etc etc.