(09-19-2012 11:15 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  You guys are completely missing the point, IMO. The Orange bowl will pit the ACC champ* against the SEC champ* EVERY time the "Champions" bowl [ ] hosts a semi-final game. The O.B. will get the Big Ten champ* EVERY time Rose bowl hosts a semi-final. That has nothing to do with whether those teams qualify for the playoffs (if they do, their OWN bowl won't even get them!). In the years when the contract bowl hosts a semi, where will the regular teams go? Here is a chart explaining what I think is going to happen:


This is because we've been told that one of the contract bowls will always host a semi-final game, with the other semi being hosted by one of the access bowls. We were also told that the teams which would normally be in the contract bowl will be guaranteed a spot in an access bowl (although there's nothing to say they can't accept an available spot in the Orange bowl - see the opportunity?)

The whole thing is explained in detail on my blog - LINK.

Totally agree with this HokieMark. I've been with you on this all the way. It is also consistent with Frank the Tank's analysis.

The only risk that I see is if the Rose Bowl and Champions Bowl weasel out of hosting 4 semifinal games each. If that happens, in some years the OB may have to settle for the number 2 pick from one of these conferences, which in any event is almost certain to be a top 15 school.

I think one thing- if we go to 8 bowls- the odds are much stronger that Champions bowl hosts sf- say it's cotton- sugar would become the champions bowl that year. If Rose hosts sf, Fiesta probably becomes the Rose matchup that year.

I think here's the teams you would have faced the past few years
2011- #13 Michigan
2010- #9 Michigan St
2009- #10 Iowa
2008- #10 Ohio St
2007- #12 Florida

and- let's look at what it would be if only 6 bowls with best case scenario for ACC.
2011- #6 Arkansas or #10 Wisconsin
2010- #6 Ohio St or #8 Arkansas
2009- #5 Florida or #8 Ohio St
2008- #4 Alabama or #8 Penn St
2007- #5 Georgia(Big Ten had #1 Ohio St, then #13 Illinois).

(09-19-2012 11:28 AM)stever20 Wrote:  If Rose hosts sf, Fiesta probably becomes the Rose matchup that year.

No, the OB gets the B1G #1 in those years. The Fiesta, though, may get the P12 #1 in those years, as well as the B12 #1 when the Champions is hosting a semi.

(09-19-2012 11:38 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 11:28 AM)stever20 Wrote:  If Rose hosts sf, Fiesta probably becomes the Rose matchup that year.

No, the OB gets the B1G #1 in those years. The Fiesta, though, may get the P12 #1 in those years, as well as the B12 #1 when the Champions is hosting a semi.

I don't believe that's been finalized. I'd suspect Delaney will push for that- for one- it gets them more teams in, which you know they would want.

(09-19-2012 11:40 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 11:38 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 11:28 AM)stever20 Wrote:  If Rose hosts sf, Fiesta probably becomes the Rose matchup that year.

No, the OB gets the B1G #1 in those years. The Fiesta, though, may get the P12 #1 in those years, as well as the B12 #1 when the Champions is hosting a semi.

I don't believe that's been finalized. I'd suspect Delaney will push for that- for one- it gets them more teams in, which you know they would want.

The whole point of having "ACCESS" bowls is to make sure the power conferences CANNOT lock up deals with them. Therefore, there will be NO DEAL with the Fiesta bowl. That's why there is a distinction between CONTRACT bowls (locked into a deal with one or more conferences) and ACCESS bowls (to provide access to deserving at-large teams, such as the Big East champ)

(09-19-2012 01:19 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 11:40 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 11:38 AM)orangefan Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 11:28 AM)stever20 Wrote:  If Rose hosts sf, Fiesta probably becomes the Rose matchup that year.

No, the OB gets the B1G #1 in those years. The Fiesta, though, may get the P12 #1 in those years, as well as the B12 #1 when the Champions is hosting a semi.

I don't believe that's been finalized. I'd suspect Delaney will push for that- for one- it gets them more teams in, which you know they would want.

The whole point of having "ACCESS" bowls is to make sure the power conferences CANNOT lock up deals with them. Therefore, there will be NO DEAL with the Fiesta bowl. That's why there is a distinction between CONTRACT bowls (locked into a deal with one or more conferences) and ACCESS bowls (to provide access to deserving at-large teams, such as the Big East champ)

That I will agree with you on. However, if it's gone up to 8 bowls- with then 5 access bowls, you can pretty much bet that the Rose and Champions will have mirror situations(Orange might as well for ACC team). This may be why Delaney put forward this idea.

(09-19-2012 11:15 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  You guys are completely missing the point, IMO. The Orange bowl will pit the ACC champ* against the SEC champ* EVERY time the "Champions" bowl [ ] hosts a semi-final game. The O.B. will get the Big Ten champ* EVERY time Rose bowl hosts a semi-final. That has nothing to do with whether those teams qualify for the playoffs (if they do, their OWN bowl won't even get them!). In the years when the contract bowl hosts a semi, where will the regular teams go? Here is a chart explaining what I think is going to happen:


This is because we've been told that one of the contract bowls will always host a semi-final game, with the other semi being hosted by one of the access bowls. We were also told that the teams which would normally be in the contract bowl will be guaranteed a spot in an access bowl (although there's nothing to say they can't accept an available spot in the Orange bowl - see the opportunity?)

The whole thing is explained in detail on my blog - LINK.

Nice Work.

I think you could extend it further (assuming the 6 Bowl event, which might change to 8), assume the Sugar getting the Champions' Bowl, and the two Access Bowls added are the Cotton and the Peach.

Year 1, the ACC champ*, if not in the semis goes to the Peach with the Cotton the other semi-final site.

Year 2, the Big 12 champ* goes to the Cotton with the Fiesta the other semi-final site.

Year 3, the PAC champ*, goes to the Fiesta with Peach the other semi-final site.

*displaced conference champ goes here if not in playoff, other wise slot is filled by selection committee.

Have to wonder if the Event expands to 8 bowl games plus championship game if the last two bowls added will ever host a semi-final or simply be additional games played outside that two day window currently conceived in the original model.

Cheers,
Neil

Wait a second... so what happens to our champion the year the Orange Bowl hosts a playoff??

So if this such a great idea... with the B1G on years the Rose is a playoff, and SEC on years when the Champions is a playoff. I doubt that the PAC on years the Rose is a playoff, and with the B12 on years when the Champions is a playoff want to be left out those years, while their counterparts have a place to crash... so doesn't that open the door for the Big East to do the same thing that the ACC is doing with the Orange as a back-up for the others in another big or elevated bowl?

(09-19-2012 03:37 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  Wait a second... so what happens to our champion the year the Orange Bowl hosts a playoff??

So if this such a great idea... with the B1G on years the Rose is a playoff, and SEC on years when the Champions is a playoff. I doubt that the PAC on years the Rose is a playoff, and with the B12 on years when the Champions is a playoff want to be left out those years, while their counterparts have a place to crash... so doesn't that open the door for the Big East to do the same thing that the ACC is doing with the Orange as a back-up for the others in another big or elevated bowl?

It's all scenarios, but the ACC champ will play in one of the other 6 Event Bowls when the OB is a semifinal game and the ACC champ didn't make the playoffs.

Hokie Mark's scenario has the ACC champ going to the Sugar. Mine would have it going to the Peach. We won't know for sure until the model is actually developed and voted upon.

Cheers,
Neil

I REALLY hope you are wrong about the Peach. Currently, that is ACC's #2 bowl - I'd like it to stay that way, if you please.

So wait, the other major conferences will have an equal level tie-in for their off years and we won't?

(09-19-2012 04:08 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  I REALLY hope you are wrong about the Peach. Currently, that is ACC's #2 bowl - I'd like it to stay that way, if you please.

I think the Chick-fil-a is a nearly done deal. I'd be shocked to not see it in the new BCS.

The Chick fil a bowl could just start another bowl event to participate in the "don't call it the BCS" and keep the regular bowl game. They double host kickoff games now.

(09-19-2012 04:46 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  So wait, the other major conferences will have an equal level tie-in for their off years and we won't?

Currently NO one has an equal level tie-in, though ALL are guaranteed a soft landing in one of the access bowls (e.g. ACC champ could go to the Sugar instead of Orange). The proposed deal w/ SEC and Big Ten would simply bring those 2 to the Orange bowl instead of an access bowl. It's a win for the ACC because we won't have to get stuck playing the Big East champ or the Big XII #3 team.

(09-19-2012 11:28 AM)stever20 Wrote:  I think one thing- if we go to 8 bowls- the odds are much stronger that Champions bowl hosts sf- say it's cotton- sugar would become the champions bowl that year. If Rose hosts sf, Fiesta probably becomes the Rose matchup that year.

I think here's the teams you would have faced the past few years
2011- #13 Michigan
2010- #9 Michigan St
2009- #10 Iowa
2008- #10 Ohio St
2007- #12 Florida

had forgotten a team- and this is actually who it would be- #9 South Carolina... it's going to be the highest ranked team from SEC, Big Ten, and Notre Dame.

So with that, SEC would have had 4 teams in the playoffs, Champions, and Orange Bowls.