(09-17-2012 09:12 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 08:40 PM)fresco Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 05:53 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 05:21 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 05:06 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  I think he was pretty spot on about most of that, and at least he isn't praising the ACC as if their the equivalent of the NBA like the rest of ESPN does.

Please don't devour me like wolves for saying this.

I agree. Last year the Big East wasn't very good other than Syracuse and Louisville catching fire at the end. The B1G was the best IMO. Like the Big East the ACC gets very bad near the bottom. The B1G doesn't have as many top teams as the ACC and Big East but it's bottom teams aren't as bad.

Oh really? Then explain why as many as 7 different teams from the Big East were ranked at one point last season? How many teams made the NCAA tournament from the Big East? Now how many from the ACC were selected? I will agree that the ACC got stronger by adding Syracuse, Pitt, and ND. But what about the other weak sauce programs? The ACC's strength is still basically to Duke, UNC, and now Syracuse, ND and Pitt and everyone else. While the Big East will have Memphis, Louisville, Cincinnati, Marquette, Georgetown, Temple, Villanova, St Johns. Should I go on?

If you want to get technical on how stronger the Big East will be then let's look at how many top tier programs with prestige in basketball are in each conference as of 2013-14. The ranking of the programs over the past decade is next to each of the top 30 programs in each conference.

ACC
Duke (top 5)
North Carolina (top 5)
Syracuse (top 10)
Maryland (top 30)
Pittsburgh (top 30)

BIG EAST
Louisville (top 10)
Memphis (top 10)
Connecticut (top 10)
Georgetown (top 15)
Marquette (top 15)
Villanova (top 15)
Cincinnati (top 20)
Temple (top 30)
Notre Dame (top 30)

I rest my case.

Uconn has won 2 national titles this past decade. How are they not top 5?

He was going by ESPN's ranking of the best basketball programs of the past 50 years. They used a point system where you got points for championships, final four's, tourney appearances, #1 seeds, draft picks, etc. These are the rankings for ACC and Big East teams...

UNC - 1
Duke - 4
Syracuse - 8
Maryland - 27
Notre Dame - 29
NC State - 43
Boston College - 50


Louisville - 6
UConn - 9
Georgetown - 12
Villanova - 16
Marquette - 17
Temple - 18
Memphis - 19
Cincinnati - 24
Houston - 35
St. John's - 40 (Tied for 40 with St. Joe's and Florida)
DePaul - 45

Any points system that has Uconn outside the top 5 over the past 10 years is silly. Past 50 years and yes, they are not top 5.

But if it is past 50 years, UCLA is clearly #1, not unc.

(09-18-2012 09:50 AM)fresco Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 09:12 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 08:40 PM)fresco Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 05:53 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 05:21 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  I agree. Last year the Big East wasn't very good other than Syracuse and Louisville catching fire at the end. The B1G was the best IMO. Like the Big East the ACC gets very bad near the bottom. The B1G doesn't have as many top teams as the ACC and Big East but it's bottom teams aren't as bad.

Oh really? Then explain why as many as 7 different teams from the Big East were ranked at one point last season? How many teams made the NCAA tournament from the Big East? Now how many from the ACC were selected? I will agree that the ACC got stronger by adding Syracuse, Pitt, and ND. But what about the other weak sauce programs? The ACC's strength is still basically to Duke, UNC, and now Syracuse, ND and Pitt and everyone else. While the Big East will have Memphis, Louisville, Cincinnati, Marquette, Georgetown, Temple, Villanova, St Johns. Should I go on?

If you want to get technical on how stronger the Big East will be then let's look at how many top tier programs with prestige in basketball are in each conference as of 2013-14. The ranking of the programs over the past decade is next to each of the top 30 programs in each conference.

ACC
Duke (top 5)
North Carolina (top 5)
Syracuse (top 10)
Maryland (top 30)
Pittsburgh (top 30)

BIG EAST
Louisville (top 10)
Memphis (top 10)
Connecticut (top 10)
Georgetown (top 15)
Marquette (top 15)
Villanova (top 15)
Cincinnati (top 20)
Temple (top 30)
Notre Dame (top 30)

I rest my case.

Uconn has won 2 national titles this past decade. How are they not top 5?

He was going by ESPN's ranking of the best basketball programs of the past 50 years. They used a point system where you got points for championships, final four's, tourney appearances, #1 seeds, draft picks, etc. These are the rankings for ACC and Big East teams...

UNC - 1
Duke - 4
Syracuse - 8
Maryland - 27
Notre Dame - 29
NC State - 43
Boston College - 50


Louisville - 6
UConn - 9
Georgetown - 12
Villanova - 16
Marquette - 17
Temple - 18
Memphis - 19
Cincinnati - 24
Houston - 35
St. John's - 40 (Tied for 40 with St. Joe's and Florida)
DePaul - 45

Any points system that has Uconn outside the top 5 over the past 10 years is silly. Past 50 years and yes, they are not top 5.

But if it is past 50 years, UCLA is clearly #1, not unc.

least UC isn't 40th...like you were trying to say last time...when you were Quo.

24th is fine...granted the 1963 start year cut off RIGHT after our two national titles of 1961 and 1962 so those are not taken into consideration for this poll but I realize you gotta start somewhere.

but even WITHOUT our national titles in the picture they have us at 24...def not 40th like you were saying last time...

ESPN has to negotiate with Aresco. Maybe he will get the last laugh by getting us a better tv contract with NBC Sports.

(09-18-2012 09:55 PM)RUfan03 Wrote:  ESPN has to negotiate with Aresco. Maybe he will get the last laugh by getting us a better tv contract with NBC Sports.

espn spin does want competition from NBC in major college sports.NBC and comcast will provide espn spin with what they need effective competition from a powerful organization.

(09-18-2012 07:12 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-18-2012 09:50 AM)fresco Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 09:12 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 08:40 PM)fresco Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 05:53 PM)TennTiger Wrote:  Oh really? Then explain why as many as 7 different teams from the Big East were ranked at one point last season? How many teams made the NCAA tournament from the Big East? Now how many from the ACC were selected? I will agree that the ACC got stronger by adding Syracuse, Pitt, and ND. But what about the other weak sauce programs? The ACC's strength is still basically to Duke, UNC, and now Syracuse, ND and Pitt and everyone else. While the Big East will have Memphis, Louisville, Cincinnati, Marquette, Georgetown, Temple, Villanova, St Johns. Should I go on?

If you want to get technical on how stronger the Big East will be then let's look at how many top tier programs with prestige in basketball are in each conference as of 2013-14. The ranking of the programs over the past decade is next to each of the top 30 programs in each conference.

ACC
Duke (top 5)
North Carolina (top 5)
Syracuse (top 10)
Maryland (top 30)
Pittsburgh (top 30)

BIG EAST
Louisville (top 10)
Memphis (top 10)
Connecticut (top 10)
Georgetown (top 15)
Marquette (top 15)
Villanova (top 15)
Cincinnati (top 20)
Temple (top 30)
Notre Dame (top 30)

I rest my case.

Uconn has won 2 national titles this past decade. How are they not top 5?

He was going by ESPN's ranking of the best basketball programs of the past 50 years. They used a point system where you got points for championships, final four's, tourney appearances, #1 seeds, draft picks, etc. These are the rankings for ACC and Big East teams...

UNC - 1
Duke - 4
Syracuse - 8
Maryland - 27
Notre Dame - 29
NC State - 43
Boston College - 50


Louisville - 6
UConn - 9
Georgetown - 12
Villanova - 16
Marquette - 17
Temple - 18
Memphis - 19
Cincinnati - 24
Houston - 35
St. John's - 40 (Tied for 40 with St. Joe's and Florida)
DePaul - 45

Any points system that has Uconn outside the top 5 over the past 10 years is silly. Past 50 years and yes, they are not top 5.

But if it is past 50 years, UCLA is clearly #1, not unc.

least UC isn't 40th...like you were trying to say last time...when you were Quo.

24th is fine...granted the 1963 start year cut off RIGHT after our two national titles of 1961 and 1962 so those are not taken into consideration for this poll but I realize you gotta start somewhere.

but even WITHOUT our national titles in the picture they have us at 24...def not 40th like you were saying last time...

The only way Cincy can get near 24 is if the two national titles are included.

(09-19-2012 11:23 PM)fresco Wrote:  

(09-18-2012 07:12 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-18-2012 09:50 AM)fresco Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 09:12 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 08:40 PM)fresco Wrote:  Uconn has won 2 national titles this past decade. How are they not top 5?

He was going by ESPN's ranking of the best basketball programs of the past 50 years. They used a point system where you got points for championships, final four's, tourney appearances, #1 seeds, draft picks, etc. These are the rankings for ACC and Big East teams...

UNC - 1
Duke - 4
Syracuse - 8
Maryland - 27
Notre Dame - 29
NC State - 43
Boston College - 50


Louisville - 6
UConn - 9
Georgetown - 12
Villanova - 16
Marquette - 17
Temple - 18
Memphis - 19
Cincinnati - 24
Houston - 35
St. John's - 40 (Tied for 40 with St. Joe's and Florida)
DePaul - 45

Any points system that has Uconn outside the top 5 over the past 10 years is silly. Past 50 years and yes, they are not top 5.

But if it is past 50 years, UCLA is clearly #1, not unc.

least UC isn't 40th...like you were trying to say last time...when you were Quo.

24th is fine...granted the 1963 start year cut off RIGHT after our two national titles of 1961 and 1962 so those are not taken into consideration for this poll but I realize you gotta start somewhere.

but even WITHOUT our national titles in the picture they have us at 24...def not 40th like you were saying last time...

The only way Cincy can get near 24 is if the two national titles are included.

I suggest you go ahead and email ESPN with your analysis. I'm sure they'll take it under consideration since they've already rated UC 24th over the last 50 years.

(09-19-2012 11:23 PM)fresco Wrote:  

(09-18-2012 07:12 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-18-2012 09:50 AM)fresco Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 09:12 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 08:40 PM)fresco Wrote:  Uconn has won 2 national titles this past decade. How are they not top 5?

He was going by ESPN's ranking of the best basketball programs of the past 50 years. They used a point system where you got points for championships, final four's, tourney appearances, #1 seeds, draft picks, etc. These are the rankings for ACC and Big East teams...

UNC - 1
Duke - 4
Syracuse - 8
Maryland - 27
Notre Dame - 29
NC State - 43
Boston College - 50


Louisville - 6
UConn - 9
Georgetown - 12
Villanova - 16
Marquette - 17
Temple - 18
Memphis - 19
Cincinnati - 24
Houston - 35
St. John's - 40 (Tied for 40 with St. Joe's and Florida)
DePaul - 45

Any points system that has Uconn outside the top 5 over the past 10 years is silly. Past 50 years and yes, they are not top 5.

But if it is past 50 years, UCLA is clearly #1, not unc.

least UC isn't 40th...like you were trying to say last time...when you were Quo.

24th is fine...granted the 1963 start year cut off RIGHT after our two national titles of 1961 and 1962 so those are not taken into consideration for this poll but I realize you gotta start somewhere.

but even WITHOUT our national titles in the picture they have us at 24...def not 40th like you were saying last time...

The only way Cincy can get near 24 is if the two national titles are included.

you didn't read the article I see...

they rated them #24....and listed the starting year as 1963....so no, they didn't take into account the national titles. maybe you should read things first before your comment quo. how's lsu?


how's crow taste?

(09-20-2012 08:53 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 11:23 PM)fresco Wrote:  

(09-18-2012 07:12 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-18-2012 09:50 AM)fresco Wrote:  

(09-17-2012 09:12 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  He was going by ESPN's ranking of the best basketball programs of the past 50 years. They used a point system where you got points for championships, final four's, tourney appearances, #1 seeds, draft picks, etc. These are the rankings for ACC and Big East teams...

UNC - 1
Duke - 4
Syracuse - 8
Maryland - 27
Notre Dame - 29
NC State - 43
Boston College - 50


Louisville - 6
UConn - 9
Georgetown - 12
Villanova - 16
Marquette - 17
Temple - 18
Memphis - 19
Cincinnati - 24
Houston - 35
St. John's - 40 (Tied for 40 with St. Joe's and Florida)
DePaul - 45

Any points system that has Uconn outside the top 5 over the past 10 years is silly. Past 50 years and yes, they are not top 5.

But if it is past 50 years, UCLA is clearly #1, not unc.

least UC isn't 40th...like you were trying to say last time...when you were Quo.

24th is fine...granted the 1963 start year cut off RIGHT after our two national titles of 1961 and 1962 so those are not taken into consideration for this poll but I realize you gotta start somewhere.

but even WITHOUT our national titles in the picture they have us at 24...def not 40th like you were saying last time...

The only way Cincy can get near 24 is if the two national titles are included.

you didn't read the article I see...

they rated them #24....and listed the starting year as 1963....so no, they didn't take into account the national titles. maybe you should read things first before your comment quo. how's lsu?


how's crow taste?

You completely misunderstood my reply. I knew that ESPN ranks you #24 since 1963, which means they are not counting the two national titles. My point was that ESPN's system is CRAZY, because no way does cincy's post-1963 resume merit a rank anywhere near that high.

So eat your own crow, withdraw the -3 rating you gave my post, and dock yourself 3 points for comprehension failure and faulty assumptions.

(09-20-2012 10:10 AM)fresco Wrote:  

(09-20-2012 08:53 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 11:23 PM)fresco Wrote:  

(09-18-2012 07:12 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-18-2012 09:50 AM)fresco Wrote:  Any points system that has Uconn outside the top 5 over the past 10 years is silly. Past 50 years and yes, they are not top 5.

But if it is past 50 years, UCLA is clearly #1, not unc.

least UC isn't 40th...like you were trying to say last time...when you were Quo.

24th is fine...granted the 1963 start year cut off RIGHT after our two national titles of 1961 and 1962 so those are not taken into consideration for this poll but I realize you gotta start somewhere.

but even WITHOUT our national titles in the picture they have us at 24...def not 40th like you were saying last time...

The only way Cincy can get near 24 is if the two national titles are included.

you didn't read the article I see...

they rated them #24....and listed the starting year as 1963....so no, they didn't take into account the national titles. maybe you should read things first before your comment quo. how's lsu?


how's crow taste?

You completely misunderstood my reply. I knew that ESPN ranks you #24 since 1963, which means they are not counting the two national titles. My point was that ESPN's system is CRAZY, because no way does cincy's post-1963 resume merit a rank anywhere near that high.

So eat your own crow, withdraw the -3 rating you gave my post, and dock yourself 3 points for comprehension failure and faulty assumptions.

Espn system is crazy in your opinion because it agrees with what said about UC hoops the last time we argued about this and disagrees with your inane argument that UC should be #40 behind teams like Iowa. Lol you lose...


So in your case verdict stands: posting fail

(09-20-2012 10:10 AM)fresco Wrote:  

(09-20-2012 08:53 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-19-2012 11:23 PM)fresco Wrote:  

(09-18-2012 07:12 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(09-18-2012 09:50 AM)fresco Wrote:  Any points system that has Uconn outside the top 5 over the past 10 years is silly. Past 50 years and yes, they are not top 5.

But if it is past 50 years, UCLA is clearly #1, not unc.

least UC isn't 40th...like you were trying to say last time...when you were Quo.

24th is fine...granted the 1963 start year cut off RIGHT after our two national titles of 1961 and 1962 so those are not taken into consideration for this poll but I realize you gotta start somewhere.

but even WITHOUT our national titles in the picture they have us at 24...def not 40th like you were saying last time...

The only way Cincy can get near 24 is if the two national titles are included.

you didn't read the article I see...

they rated them #24....and listed the starting year as 1963....so no, they didn't take into account the national titles. maybe you should read things first before your comment quo. how's lsu?


how's crow taste?

You completely misunderstood my reply. I knew that ESPN ranks you #24 since 1963, which means they are not counting the two national titles. My point was that ESPN's system is CRAZY, because no way does cincy's post-1963 resume merit a rank anywhere near that high.

So eat your own crow, withdraw the -3 rating you gave my post, and dock yourself 3 points for comprehension failure and faulty assumptions.

Espn system is crazy in your opinion because it agrees with what i said about UC hoops the last time we argued about this and disagrees with your inane argument that UC should be #40 behind teams like Iowa. Lol you lose...


So in your case verdict stands: posting fail