Palmetto State Rivals

Quote:If no football that's stupid as hell.

Quote:Way to go John "swing and a miss............once again" Swofford.

Screw ND an it's irrelevant football program.

Quote:While it may be good for ND, I don't think it does a thing for the ACC. It will give those 5 teams a better game each year over say a Ball St or Furman.

I think the ACC and every conf. should tell ND we're not going to schedule you at all until you join a conf. in all sports. If everyone dropped ND at once and left them out to dry ND would be in a conf. in 30 days in all sports.

ND would then be on level play field with the rest of the NCAA teams when the BCS starts with their 4 team playoff and ND would not have some special rules for them to get into the playoffs over other teams.

Swofford,, could the ACC have anyone worse running the show.

Quote:I just read on another site,, so I can't say for sure if this is correct or not,

buried in the ND message, the ACC has just raised the buy out to get out of the ACC to $50 million dollars per school, you think the ACC/Swofford are doing their best to stop the talk of jjoining another conf.

why would schools like Clemson, FSU, GT, Miami and even a Pitt. agree to anything like that. I see why Duke , WF , UNC and others would want that since no other conf. wants them to start with but schools like FSU and Clemson could be some of the 1st schools offered by another conf. if they decide to expand.

Quote:The problem is there are two ACCs...the half committed to football and the half committed to basketball. The basketball half have been in charge forever although I think their days are numbered. Unfortunately, the basketball schools don't need the rest of us to have great basketball programs. It doesn't work that way in football though, you need the whole conference on the same page.

Quote:Swofford and the ACC presidents are fools.................smh

Tigernet - To late to fire Swofford now.

Quote:He's ruined the ACC with the addition of Norte Lame as a partial football member. And as bad a s I feel about the ACC being brought down by this, It breaks my heart to know that Barker had a big hand in it. He brings shame to the Clemson family.

Quote:Conference affiliation shouldn't be about academics, but that's all Barker believes. He doesn't seem to care about Clemson football at all.

Tigernet - Only benefits from ND:

Quote:1) It may drop the 9 conf. game rule, which means USC, 2 scrubs and either ND 1 out of about every 3 and a quality opponent in other years (OU,AU, UGA etc.)

2)Redoing the tv deal will increase our payout.

3) When ND comes to Clemson 5 out of every 28 years we get a sellout.

However,

Allowing ND to use our bowl, getting special treatment over other members who don't have our own tv deal, and no 50 mil buyout are beyond stupid. We have leverage to ease ND in to help there other sports and we've apparently lost it.

Football drives the bus and ND gave us a spare tire.

Tigernet - I'm not a Rick Reilly fan: here's his snarky tweet

Quote:Notre Dame is an ACC member in every sport but football. In other news, Kate Upton is your girlfriend in every way but sex.

(Too bad Rick doesn't have sex with women.)

Swofford seals the deal w/ announcement on UNC Campus

Quote:how typical.

probably there working on developing more fake courses and majors

Tigernet - So Swofford gets his revenge on Clemson and FSU for

Quote:threating to leave a sorry ACC. He negotiates a sham of a deal that allows a non-football ND to join a fb confeernce not made any better because of this and then raises the exit fee to make sure us and FSU are made toothless and clawless against anything a basketball first conference wants to do.

CU Tigers - Notre Dame to join the ACC

Quote:Bad move to not tell them its all or nothing. Ask the Big East how that all worked out for them. Gutless move by the ACC.

Quote:this is once again john swofford being john swofford. this a terrible move. i just got off the "lets leave the acc" soap box but i think i'm back on it

Quote:So they join, but stay independant in football - yet they get one of the ACC's non-BCS bowl slots, taking thatslot away from an ACC football team?

SCREW THAT.

And SCREW SWOFFORD.

Quote:doesn't matter we'll be in the big .....

oh wait no we won't, we'll still be stuck in the ACC, never reading another blog about conference realignment again.

Quote:When it comes down to non-BCS bowl selection time and another ACC team has the same or slightly better record than ND.....who do you think the Bowls are going to take?

Lots of ACC teams will end up in a less desirable bowl destination.

Does ND make the ACC a better conference in basketball or baseball? They will add very good soccer programs to an already elite league.

The one big win through this agreement from the ACC's perspective is that ND will help them sell a few tickets when they come to town, but those games will be few and far between.

Quote:No. ND and NBC have been in deep negotiations for the past nine months. NBC wants to sign a 10 to 15 year contract and ND wants to keep it at five years. The ND A.D. also plans to launch the ND Network within the next two years. ND has no plans of ever giving up it's football independence. You never know what may happen in the future. It's not about money for ND. It's about finding the strongest home for their other sports teams. ND will play every member school once every three years according to the ND press release. I look forward to ND's return trip to Death Valley. It's been to long since we played you guys last.

Quote:I believe the "it will never happen" was that the Irish would join the ACC as a full time member. That still hasn't happened.

And unless they increased our contract over this move, this appears to be a lose for the ACC unless it leads to them joining in the future. With NBC renegotiating their contract, that doesn't look like it's going to happen.

So what do we get out of this? ND basketball? ND soccer? A couple games against them? (we already played them 3 times this year) A loss of one bowl per year?

Needless to say this isn't a popular decision with the orange and purple crowd.

Yes but at least there not talking about leaving the ACC any more.

(09-12-2012 01:23 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Yes but at least there not talking about leaving the ACC any more.

Only because our dumb*** president sold us down the river for effin' basketball.

Barker may very well go down as the worst Clemson President ever, and that says a lot considering Max Lennon was behind the firing of Danny Ford.

Like I said in the press conference thread, he might be best served to stay in Chapel Hill, because he's likely to need protective custody after ruining any future we might have had by hitching our wagon to a bunch of schools who have never and never will put the proper priority on football.

LOL...relax...the TV money is improving. You'll see ND showing up on your schedule very couple years.

You realize the ACC will increase their bowl payouts now and probably add 2 more bowl games.

(09-12-2012 01:31 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  LOL...relax...the TV money is improving. You'll see ND showing up on your schedule very couple years.

Only once every 6 years where it will matter, and that's if you can believe that ND intends to live up to it's obligations and doesn't try to pull the same crap they did with Rutgers and UConn only to be rebuffed.

Quote:You realize the ACC will increase their bowl payouts now and probably add 2 more bowl games.

As I posted elsewhere....excatly where are we going to pick up these great bowls? Which bowls do you see wanting to drop their SEC ad/or B1G affiliation for the ACC/ND?

We will likely pick up the Pinstripe vs the Big East. Lovely. A cold weather bowl in a baseball stadium for a middling payout.

I understand that this seems great for you as a Syracuse fan considering y'all are more than willing to bend over and take a dry one from the Irish ( Big East experience of them stealing bowls away, playing the home half of a home and home at The Meadowlands) but this does nothing to move the meter down south.

Since you don't like basketball, I don't think it would affect you other than seeing ND on your schedule sometimes.


We all get more money which you've said is important to Clemson. We will get a better bowl than just Pitt or Cuse would have brought us....this is another thing you said was important. We will get ND on the schedule ever so often which will add some interest to ooc schedules.

I don't think we are really giving that much up for what we get in return. It'll be fine. The exit fee is high enough that we don't have to worry about the realignment nonsense anymore too.

And the "new" bowls added aren't huge because ND is going to take one of those spots many of years. So they can keep their profits from home ACC games while the other 14 members split the revenue from the away games that ND plays. And now they can take a bowl game from another team as well. It is hilarious but predictable. Everyone who knows this conference knew Swofford would take it up the butt from ND in any "negotiation" (cant really call it that since it is more like ND telling the ACC how it will be)

My own personal favorite:

Quote:Notre Dame is an ACC member in every sport but football. In other news, Kate Upton is your girlfriend in every way but sex.

(Too bad Rick doesn't have sex with women.)

Georgia Tech fans have been about 40% for under the assumption full membership comes, 60% against ... and ALOT of hand wringing over bowl picks, where we already have a rich history of gettin' shafted in the ACC. If we had Boston College fans, they'd likely be even more bowl upset. It was their drop from ACC-CG to Boise, Idaho that instituted the 1-win rule in the first place, but certainly GT was in favor the rule too.

Most syracuse fans i've seen dislike that football isn't joining but are extremely happy with the 50 million dollar buyout so we're okay with it. Just happy to be in a stable conference :).

ND shouldn't get the benefit of the 1-win rule, either. It should be harder for them to steal a bowl slot because they're not a part of the conference for football to begin with.

(09-12-2012 05:52 PM)ndlutz Wrote:  ND shouldn't get the benefit of the 1-win rule, either. It should be harder for them to steal a bowl slot because they're not a part of the conference for football to begin with.

It's protection for us. Otherwise Notre Dame would be guaranteed no worse than the Sun Bowl any time they are ever bowl eligible. You're not use to how ACC bowl selection has worked b/c you were one of the more desirable bowl picks in the Big East.

Let me help clarify for you.

The Chic-Fil-A will do anything in its power to skip the ACC-CG loser unless it is VT. The Chic-Fil-A will do anything in its power to skip GT.

The Russell Athletic Bowl is usually stuck with the ACC-CG loser. If they are not available, they will do anything in their power to select FSU or Miami.

The Sun Bowl while a terrific bowl is decidedly not travel friendly. Playing the worst of the Pac-12 isn't very attractive.

The Belk Bowl will do anything in its power to choose a team from NC. If that is not possible, then Clemson. If that is not possible ... well ... that hasn't happened yet. If you're north of the Mason-Dixon line ... fuhget about it.

The Music City Bowl will do anything in its power to skip GT. They always want Clemson if available. If you're north of the Mason-Dixon line ... fuhget about it.

Nobody wants to go to Shreveport. Ever. For any reason. But they always prefer GT if available. Lucky us.

The Military Bowl is actually not too bad for a team that is just barely bowl eligible ... but you must sneak past Shreveport to land in it.

While a great destination, the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl is a horrible pay out and usually a home game for a Pac-12 team and played on a baseball field in what can only be described as truly horrifying field arrangements and field conditions.

I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I mean ND should not be able to get the benefit of the 1-game rule that the conference has in place for its other members. They should have a harsher rule like a 2-game rule. I do NOT mean that the bowls would on their own prefer the ACC teams.

I know all about how this works. Pitt was skipped for ND in the Big East.

Make of it what you will:

MHver3‏@MHver3

So Clemson shows their true colors. I stand corrected. They voted for ND but against the exit fee increase. Fence sitters.

MHver3‏@MHver3

So Clemson gets cold feet and decides they don't want to leave but don't want to lose FSU so they tell Swofford get ND at any cost or else

(09-12-2012 03:21 PM)ndlutz Wrote:  My own personal favorite:

Quote:Notre Dame is an ACC member in every sport but football. In other news, Kate Upton is your girlfriend in every way but sex.

(Too bad Rick doesn't have sex with women.)

I thought that one was pretty funny too...

i would say it should be 2 win rule for 2/3rd bowl game for acc while 1 win for anything lower

(09-12-2012 06:31 PM)ndlutz Wrote:  I think you misunderstood what I was saying. I mean ND should not be able to get the benefit of the 1-game rule that the conference has in place for its other members. They should have a harsher rule like a 2-game rule. I do NOT mean that the bowls would on their own prefer the ACC teams.

I know all about how this works. Pitt was skipped for ND in the Big East.

(09-12-2012 07:31 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  i would say it should be 2 win rule for 2/3rd bowl game for acc while 1 win for anything lower

Y'all are new around here. The ACC doesn't use hard line negotiation tactics like that.

Y'all should have asked for 5% more of a conference payout than original members and for the ACC to pay your buyout. You would have got it.