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RE: Today 12:30 on ESPN - ND ACC Conference
(09-12-2012 12:42 PM)EPJr Wrote:  
(09-12-2012 11:56 AM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  Uh oh. Swofford is wearing a crimson and grey tie. Must mean Washington State is #16.

speaking of which
won't #16 now be a nonfootball school to balance things out?
maybe a Georgetown or Villanova?

They are saying we are sticking with 15, but of course if we add a 16th team it will be a non-football school. The last three we have added have been non-football schools.
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(09-12-2012 12:56 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  I will take Swofford's comments on "no rush to add #16" on straight up face value.

As I said earlier -- this is all about process and timing. Getting ND to unwind itself from decades of independence will take time. Today is "stage 1" of that process.

During this stage, ND fans and purists will see ACC schools, all of them, playing in South Bend. This is especially huge for the schools that haven't been there yet (to my knowledge) -- NC State, Virginia Tech, Virginia(?), and (especially!) Clemson. This **** is huge.

By the time the cycle has run its course, and assuming Maryland fans don't make asses out of themselves when out in public, ND fans will be "ok" with ND football in the ACC.

Timing and process.

Also during this stage, ND will need to figure out how to rearrange its other 'traditional' opponents.

Back to #16 -- once again, timing and process. Connecticut will need (lots of) time to make nice with current ACC brass if it wants to be considered in (or around) 2025. Tulane will need to time to work the "behind the scenes channels" to be on the ACC's radar in (or around) 2025.

But also, and you will only get this insight here -- this process will give Florida time to see what the future (in all sports b/c Lacrosse is about to blow up!) will look like. Sure the SEC is on top now, but the SEC doesn't the total all-sports platform that the ACC just inherited.

Tides would really have to turn for Florida to join the ACC but I like the tought. I liked your idea of Tulane on the realignment board. Aren't they finally buliding an on campus stadium. They would fit in well with the ACC as a private academic with a large TV market.
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RE: Today 12:30 on ESPN - ND ACC Conference
(09-12-2012 12:56 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  
(09-12-2012 12:42 PM)EPJr Wrote:  
(09-12-2012 11:56 AM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  Uh oh. Swofford is wearing a crimson and grey tie. Must mean Washington State is #16.

speaking of which
won't #16 now be a nonfootball school to balance things out?
maybe a Georgetown or Villanova?

They are saying we are sticking with 15, but of course if we add a 16th team it will be a non-football school. The last three we have added have been non-football schools.


04-cheers

And ecu I hope you are right but I don't see why ND would ever have to join. They get every benefit of being a conference member and none of the drawbacks. They keep all revenue from the ACC games they host, they get access to non BCS bowls, they house all of their other sports etc. The ACC bent over and took it from them. ND got a sweetheart deal and there would be no reason at all to join in football.

Mila Kunis is free to come over my house anytime too. I'll believe ND is all in for football when I see it (or when Kunis shows up at my door). We can all dream but there is nothing to say that this will ever happen.
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RE: Today 12:30 on ESPN - ND ACC Conference
(09-12-2012 12:56 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  During this stage, ND fans and purists will see ACC schools, all of them, playing in South Bend. This is especially huge for the schools that haven't been there yet (to my knowledge) -- NC State, Virginia Tech, Virginia(?), and (especially!) Clemson. This **** is huge.

By the time the cycle has run its course, and assuming Maryland fans don't make asses out of themselves when out in public, ND fans will be "ok" with ND football in the ACC.

Timing and process.

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Friggin' NC State fans wont travel to Atlanta for a season opening game, what kind of impression is 16 red clad Pack fans going to make on the ND faithful? Probably more than the 6 UVA fans complete with bowties will.
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RE: Today 12:30 on ESPN - ND ACC Conference
(09-12-2012 12:35 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(09-12-2012 12:22 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  
(09-12-2012 12:20 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  And it re-opens the TV Deal with ESPN. Is that bad too?

It better make $3 million per team a year or it's not great.

I'd be willing to bet it's at least $2.8 million per team per year or else the conference presidents never would have been in favor of adding ND. We'll find out soon though. ND wanted a digital network with NBC. I guess now it will have to be with ESPN.

So you think ND hoops and 2.5 games vs ND a year is worth $39.2+ million a year to ESPN?

What kind of hobbies do you have? I'm going to go out and find some items you might be interested in.
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(09-12-2012 01:16 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  So you think ND hoops and 2.5 games vs ND a year is worth $39.2+ million a year to ESPN?

What kind of hobbies do you have? I'm going to go out and find some items you might be interested in.

I think it's worth that too them because they are wrestling the ND digital network away from NBC. I could be wrong but I'd like to think the ACC knew what they were going to get from ESPN before negotiations ever started. It's possible that the ACC invited ND in reaction ND negotiating with the Big 12 but I'd like to think the ACC has better leadership than that.
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ND Press Release:

Jack Swarbrick mentions three things:

1) This allows ND to remain a football independent;

2) ND keeps the NBC contract;

3) This deal is supposedly "revenue neutral" for ND.


Notre Dame to join Atlantic Coast Conference; football stays independent but brings 5 games annually to ACC

Dennis Brown • Date: September 12, 2012


Atlantic Coast Conference

The University of Notre Dame accepted an invitation today (Sept. 12) to become a member of the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) in all sports except football.

Most Notre Dame athletics programs have been members of the Big East Conference since 1995 after previously competing in the Midwestern Collegiate Conference, North Star Conference and as independents. Jack Swarbrick, vice president and director of athletics at Notre Dame, said the University will work with the Big East and ACC on a timetable to transfer athletic membership.

“We have monitored the changing conference landscape for many months and have concluded that moving to the ACC is the best course of action for us,” Swarbrick said. “This will enable us to maintain our historic independence in football, join in the ACC’s non-BCS bowl package, and provide a new and extremely competitive home for our other sports.

“We are immensely grateful to the members of the Big East, which has been a wonderful home for us the past 17 years. We also think that the conference has a strong future under the leadership of its new commissioner, Mike Aresco.”

“The ACC was founded on the cornerstones of balancing academics, athletics and integrity,” said Atlantic Coast Conference Commissioner John Swofford. “Our partnership with Notre Dame only strengthens this long-standing commitment. Notre Dame enhances the league’s unique blend of public and private institutions that are international in scope. The collective alumni and fan bases cover the entire country with exceptionally strong roots up and down the Atlantic Coast. This is a terrific milestone in the evolution of the ACC and showcases tremendous solidarity and vision by our Council of Presidents.”

In addition to the athletic component, Notre Dame’s president, Rev. John I. Jenkins, C.S.C., said the ACC offers other advantages.

“The ACC is composed of some of the most highly respected universities in the country, and we at Notre Dame look forward to joining them,” Father Jenkins said. “With a mix of institutions – many of which are also private, similar to Notre Dame in size, and committed to excellence in research and undergraduate education – the ACC is an exceptionally good fit for us academically, as well as athletically.”

Father Jenkins added: “It is our hope that, over time, we will be able to explore the possibility of academic collaboration as well as athletic competition with these outstanding universities.”

“We are committed to keeping the Atlantic Coast Conference a vibrant and competitive league dedicated to ensuring the appropriate balance of academics, athletics and integrity,” the ACC Council of Presidents said in a joint statement. “The addition of Notre Dame further strengthens the rich tradition and culture of the ACC as well as allowing for future academic collaboration and we enthusiastically welcome them into the league.”

As part of the partnership with the ACC, Notre Dame has agreed to annually play five ACC opponents in football and each conference member at least once every three years.

“This approach allows us to help promote ACC football while maintaining our traditional rivalries and a national schedule,” said Swarbrick, who added that Notre Dame will be a part of the ACC’s non-BCS bowl package.

The move to the ACC does not affect Notre Dame’s longstanding partnership with NBC Sports. The change in affiliation is “essentially revenue neutral,” Swarbrick said. “Financial implications were not a motivation.”

Current ACC members are Boston College, Clemson, Duke, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Miami, North Carolina, NC State, Virginia, Virginia Tech and Wake Forest. Pittsburgh and Syracuse will join the ACC on July 1, 2013.

Among the 12 current ACC institutions, seven rank among the top 38 universities in the U.S. News & World Report survey “America’s Best Colleges” and five are members of the Association of American Universities.

ACC institutions are located in four of the top 10 most populated metropolitan areas in the country and, once Pittsburgh and Syracuse become members, will be in nine states up and down the eastern third of the United States.

Since the conference’s inception in 1953, ACC schools have captured 127 NCAA championships, including 67 in women’s competition and 60 in men’s. In addition, NCAA individual titles have gone to ACC student-athletes 145 times in men’s competition and 104 times in women’s action. Four conference schools won NCAA championships in 2011-12, and two finished in the top 10 in last year’s Learfield Sports Directors’ Cup standings.

The Notre Dame football team is among the most storied in college sports, with 11 consensus national championships, seven Heisman Trophy winners, and more All-Americans and Hall of Famers than any other program in the country.

Notre Dame’s NCAA Graduation Success Rate (GSR) figure for all student-athletes has ranked No. 1 among FBS institutions each of the last four years, and the Irish football team’s GSR has ranked No. 1 for three straight years.

Within the Big East Conference, Notre Dame has won 116 titles, more than any other school since the University’s entry in 1995-96, including 14 in women’s swimming and diving, 11 in women’s soccer, 11 in women’s tennis, nine in rowing, nine in volleyball, eight in men’s golf, and eight in men’s outdoor track and field.

Nationally, the Irish women’s soccer team and combined fencing teams won national championships in the 2010-11 academic year, the women’s basketball team has played for the national title the last two years, men’s basketball has earned three consecutive NCAA Tournament berths, and the men’s lacrosse team has played in the final four in two of the last three years.

The Notre Dame hockey team will move to Hockey East after a final season in 2012-13 in the Central Collegiate Hockey Association.

Contact: Dennis Brown, assistant vice president for public information and communications, dbrown7@nd.edu
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RE: Today 12:30 on ESPN - ND ACC Conference
(09-12-2012 01:16 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  
(09-12-2012 12:35 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(09-12-2012 12:22 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  
(09-12-2012 12:20 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  And it re-opens the TV Deal with ESPN. Is that bad too?

It better make $3 million per team a year or it's not great.

I'd be willing to bet it's at least $2.8 million per team per year or else the conference presidents never would have been in favor of adding ND. We'll find out soon though. ND wanted a digital network with NBC. I guess now it will have to be with ESPN.

So you think ND hoops and 2.5 games vs ND a year is worth $39.2+ million a year to ESPN?

What kind of hobbies do you have? I'm going to go out and find some items you might be interested in.

My over under is $4 million to ND, $1 million per year additional to existing member. Total = $18 million.
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(09-12-2012 12:56 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  ....Back to #16 -- once again, timing and process. Connecticut will need (lots of) time to make nice with current ACC brass if it wants to be considered in (or around) 2025. Tulane will need to time to work the "behind the scenes channels" to be on the ACC's radar in (or around) 2025.....

In 18 years, Louisville may be able to improve their academics into the top 100 of the USNWR. If that's the case, Louisville brings more to the table than UConn. We'll get a much bigger share of the Kentucky market with Louisville than additional share of the New England market with UConn.

Edit : I keep hearing from Louisville poster how improving their academics is a high priority and 18 years is enough time to make changes.
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RE: Today 12:30 on ESPN - ND ACC Conference
(09-12-2012 01:43 PM)orangefan Wrote:  
(09-12-2012 01:16 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  
(09-12-2012 12:35 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  
(09-12-2012 12:22 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  
(09-12-2012 12:20 PM)curtis0620 Wrote:  And it re-opens the TV Deal with ESPN. Is that bad too?

It better make $3 million per team a year or it's not great.

I'd be willing to bet it's at least $2.8 million per team per year or else the conference presidents never would have been in favor of adding ND. We'll find out soon though. ND wanted a digital network with NBC. I guess now it will have to be with ESPN.

So you think ND hoops and 2.5 games vs ND a year is worth $39.2+ million a year to ESPN?

What kind of hobbies do you have? I'm going to go out and find some items you might be interested in.

My over under is $4 million to ND, $1 million per year additional to existing member. Total = $18 million.

Cool so 2 million less than the Big 12 schools still. And now all teams are held hostage by a ridiculous 50 million dollar exit fee. If the league is so great, why does it have to hold teams hostage? The SEC's exit fee is 0 fyi.....
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FYI I have read a few places that FSU/Clemson/Virginia Tech voted against raising the exit fee and against ND as a partial member. The majority wins in both cases. I know some articles say it is unanimous but I have my doubts on that.
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why are people so hung up on being 'able' to leave?
Especially with nowhere to go?
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(09-12-2012 01:59 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  why are people so hung up on being 'able' to leave?
Especially with nowhere to go?

I guess some are eager to play Kansas and Iowa State.
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I'm not convinced a $51 million payout will keep teams in the conference. VT raised a billion dollars in 1 year to improve our endownment. As all it takes is 1 big donor to put up the money. Also, it's the time value of money. $51 million may only be the equivalent of $20 million 15 years down the road. A much easier sum to raise.
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(09-12-2012 01:59 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  why are people so hung up on being 'able' to leave?
Especially with nowhere to go?

Why is a conference holding the teams hostage with a ridiculous exit fee if it is so appealing???

As for Kansas/Iowa State talk, Syracuse, Pitt, BC, Wake and Duke aren't exactly glam football programs.....

The ACC realigned properly is better for FSU but I don't think a conference fee that high is good for them.
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(09-12-2012 01:01 PM)Ragu Wrote:  04-cheers

And ecu I hope you are right but I don't see why ND would ever have to join.

Like I've been saying all day, just because Swofford and the rest of the podium panel didn't say ND had agreed to a full path to membership, it doesn't mean that isn't in the agreement.

The key is "5 games" and "each school playing ND every 3 years" -- this is the ND brass' way of giving its fans enough time to get used to playing ACC schools in South Bend, and giving itself enough time to rearrange its current scheduling partners (Michigan, etc).

This, my fellow board poster, IS the path to full membership.

If ND had its way, they would have chosen the schools, much like they would have done with the Big East.

Announcing today that ND will join as a full member in 202x would have put ND in the middle of some serious backlash from its alumni and fans. That's not how you treat your members, especially one with a fanbase more emotional and fragile than you and Catdaddy combined, and especially if you want them to join as full members.

Sure, somewhere between now and 202x, ND may increase to 6 games with some sort of TV money exchange, but still, this is the path to full membership.
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(09-12-2012 12:56 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  
(09-12-2012 12:42 PM)EPJr Wrote:  
(09-12-2012 11:56 AM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  Uh oh. Swofford is wearing a crimson and grey tie. Must mean Washington State is #16.

speaking of which
won't #16 now be a nonfootball school to balance things out?
maybe a Georgetown or Villanova?

They are saying we are sticking with 15, but of course if we add a 16th team it will be a non-football school. The last three we have added have been non-football schools.

LOL Cuse is ready to make you eat your words...the last time we met didn't end well for you and all we heard from your posers was how you were going to crush us in the Gator Bowl. I see this series being well fought and Cuse winning their share. We are on the upswing...the record doesn't show it yet this year but we are playing at a higher level.
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(09-12-2012 01:57 PM)Ragu Wrote:  FYI I have read a few places that FSU/Clemson/Virginia Tech voted against raising the exit fee and against ND as a partial member. The majority wins in both cases. I know some articles say it is unanimous but I have my doubts on that.

and any of those sources inside the ACC offices? I suspect Internet chatter from the T-shirts.

Edit: You appear to right that FSU and MD might have been against it.
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(09-12-2012 02:11 PM)Ragu Wrote:  
(09-12-2012 01:59 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  why are people so hung up on being 'able' to leave?
Especially with nowhere to go?

Why is a conference holding the teams hostage with a ridiculous exit fee if it is so appealing???

As for Kansas/Iowa State talk, Syracuse, Pitt, BC, Wake and Duke aren't exactly glam football programs.....

The ACC realigned properly is better for FSU but I don't think a conference fee that high is good for them.

Ridiculous
Syracuse, Pitt and BC have a ton more history than Kansas/Iowa St.
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ND plays 4 road games a yr
how can they commit 3 road games every other yr to ACC
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