OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:Of the eight teams in the BE. Already three teams are out of bowl contention. UC, Pitt, and now Syracuse. Will the BE fill those bowl slots. Louisville is a lock. WV,UConn, and USF appear close to locking up a berth. Rutgers is still very much alive. I don't see UC, Pitt, or Syracuse climbing out of the holes they have dug.

I agree with that. In an 8 team league, you can't have 7 or 8 bowl teams. Someone has to take the losses so 5 bowl teams is a respectable number. Obviously if everyone went 4-0 out of league we could have more if we then had a bunch of .500 in league teams but that is unrealistic.

Yes my team is doing well out of league (so far) so I am biased but I don't see it as a bad thing to have the teams that did well out of league to do well in league and vice versa for losing teams. If the reverse was true than everyone is between 7-4 and 4-7 and that just won't work too well.

Army56Mike Wrote:Yah, yer right, it's not a rivalry game. In those type of games it's usually pretty comptetive. Maybe someday Syrupcuse will get to that point. :laugh:

I was still pissed how we lost to them last year in the dome. I mean we had almost 600 yards against them. Turnovers killed us last year. After this year, I feel better. I dont know where the CUSE program is today. I wish for them to be a closer game but it was total domination tonight.

OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:Of the eight teams in the BE. Already three teams are out of bowl contention. UC, Pitt, and now Syracuse.

Although UC hasn't been looking good at all recently, I'd hardly consider 2-2 "out of bowl contention". I'll have no problem with that statement if UC continues their slide.

Not saying it'll happen again, but I'm sure the Memphis and USM posters will remind you about what happened in the games following the loss to Army.

wow i love the arrogance of some syracuse fans, "we're not rivals our rival is boston college because we share scholastic kinship???" wtf, by all means please leave for the acc so you can be with other such scholastic kin and have a big circle jerk. damn that va governor. with how embarrisingly low your football program has gone since the mcnabb days, you're lucky any team wants to consider you their rival. now i know why some of their fans are so cynical i'd be too knowing how far my program has sunk. i can't wait for usf to beat down these arrogant aholes.

USFMike Wrote:wow i love the arrogance of some syracuse fans, "we're not rivals our rival is boston college because we share scholastic kinship???" wtf, by all means please leave for the acc so you can be with other such scholastic kin and have a big circle jerk. damn that va governor. with how embarrisingly low your football program has gone since the mcnabb days, you're lucky any team wants to consider you their rival. now i know why some of their fans are so cynical i'd be too knowing how far my program has sunk. i can't wait for usf to beat down these arrogant aholes.

USFMike - you gonna find out how arrogant CUSE fans are. They constantly diss UCONN because we have not pay our dues. Most folks try to put the newbies down, but sadly we are the ones holding up our end in the new BE outside WVU. Most BE fans dont want to admit it, but UCONN and USF have the most upside in the conference. Hopefully, when we play each other we both will be in the top half of the league and the game will mean something in the conference race.

Gunner,

I thought it was interesting that GT is expanding their stadium considering that BD had capacity DECREASED in the 90s (? - don't actually remember when).

USFMike Wrote:wow i love the arrogance of some syracuse fans, "we're not rivals our rival is boston college because we share scholastic kinship???" wtf, by all means please leave for the acc so you can be with other such scholastic kin and have a big circle jerk. damn that va governor. with how embarrisingly low your football program has gone since the mcnabb days, you're lucky any team wants to consider you their rival. now i know why some of their fans are so cynical i'd be too knowing how far my program has sunk. i can't wait for usf to beat down these arrogant aholes.

Didnt I hear the same thing from USF fans regarding UCF not being your rivalry? "We're in the BE", Those are our rivalry'. Talk about arroganse.

CollegeCard Wrote:

OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:Of the eight teams in the BE. Already three teams are out of bowl contention. UC, Pitt, and now Syracuse. Will the BE fill those bowl slots. Louisville is a lock. WV,UConn, and USF appear close to locking up a berth. Rutgers is still very much alive. I don't see UC, Pitt, or Syracuse climbing out of the holes they have dug.

I agree with that. In an 8 team league, you can't have 7 or 8 bowl teams. Someone has to take the losses so 5 bowl teams is a respectable number. Obviously if everyone went 4-0 out of league we could have more if we then had a bunch of .500 in league teams but that is unrealistic.

Yes my team is doing well out of league (so far) so I am biased but I don't see it as a bad thing to have the teams that did well out of league to do well in league and vice versa for losing teams. If the reverse was true than everyone is between 7-4 and 4-7 and that just won't work too well.

CC,

Actually, being in the Big East...and only having 7 Conf Games...it shouldn't be impossible for 6-7 teams to be eligible to go Bowling.

It will only get easier next year when Big East teams will have to play FIVE non-conf games in the 12 game season..

BE Team just goes 5-0 or 4-1 in non-conf play...and just needs 2-3 wins in Conf Play to lock up Bowl Bid.

With only 7 Conf Games...even this year with 11 game schedule...but even much more so starting next year with 12 game schedule...it may not take much for a Big East team to earn a BE Bowl Slot.

KL

PS. Of course...non-conf schedule SOS (aka easy, moderate or tough games) will play a HUGE part in how many Conf Games a team will have to win to reach 6 total wins.

cuseroc Wrote:

USFMike Wrote:wow i love the arrogance of some syracuse fans, "we're not rivals our rival is boston college because we share scholastic kinship???" wtf, by all means please leave for the acc so you can be with other such scholastic kin and have a big circle jerk. damn that va governor. with how embarrisingly low your football program has gone since the mcnabb days, you're lucky any team wants to consider you their rival. now i know why some of their fans are so cynical i'd be too knowing how far my program has sunk. i can't wait for usf to beat down these arrogant aholes.

Didnt I hear the same thing from USF fans regarding UCF not being your rivalry? "We're in the BE", Those are our rivalry'. Talk about arroganse.

Great Point.

KL

PS. Most USF fans do look at UCF as a fun, CLOSE, rival and most are for an annual game...but its the vocal A$$-Kickers that follow lock, step with their Head Coach Leavitt that tries to pretend that UCF isn't a rival.

Rival?

UCF at USF: 45,000 plus in Attendance

# 9 UL at USF: (USF's 1st BCS Game Ever vs a Conf foe that is ranked #9 in the Nation): 32,000 plus in Attendance.

Uconn outgrew SU in BB in the early 90s

and it is looking like they may pass us in Football too people in CNY can't be happy about that

PusherT Wrote:Uconn outgrew SU in BB in the early 90s

and it is looking like they may pass us in Football too people in CNY can't be happy about that

PusherT - I think both UCONN and CUSE can be good. CT high school football is already improving due to UCONN football. I think UCONN FB will affect NY football too. If both CUSE and UCONN can recruit NJ, PA, MD and FL successfully, we both can be good. I hope you guys turn it around and get it going.

UCONN has a very young team (5 senior starters) and we will be better next year. I really think Randy Edsall is a great coach cause he sticks to the basics and play to our strength. We had Dan O last yeat and he passed like crazy. This year we look like an option team.

I hope SU will beat RU cause those guys are getting more delusional by the day.

SF Husky Wrote:

PusherT Wrote:Uconn outgrew SU in BB in the  early 90s

and it is looking like they may pass us in Football too  people in CNY can't be happy about that

PusherT - I think both UCONN and CUSE can be good. CT high school football is already improving due to UCONN football. I think UCONN FB will affect NY football too. If both CUSE and UCONN can recruit NJ, PA, MD and FL successfully, we both can be good. I hope you guys turn it around and get it going.

UCONN has a very young team (5 senior starters) and we will be better next year. I really think Randy Edsall is a great coach cause he sticks to the basics and play to our strength. We had Dan O last yeat and he passed like crazy. This year we look like an option team.

I hope SU will beat RU cause those guys are getting more delusional by the day.

there "IS NOT" enough talent in NY,Mass,Conn,NJ for Uconn,Rutgers,BC,SU to share

The reason I really didn't wwant SU to play Uconn is because it gives them chances to beat SU and take a recruiting advantage


Uconn= New school with $$

SU= Old school, with no $$


Uconn gained alot by beating SU


Dwight Freeny,Ryan Lacasses, Kader Drame are a few Nutmeg state kids

PusherT Wrote:

SF Husky Wrote:

PusherT Wrote:Uconn outgrew SU in BB in the  early 90s

and it is looking like they may pass us in Football too  people in CNY can't be happy about that

PusherT - I think both UCONN and CUSE can be good. CT high school football is already improving due to UCONN football. I think UCONN FB will affect NY football too. If both CUSE and UCONN can recruit NJ, PA, MD and FL successfully, we both can be good. I hope you guys turn it around and get it going.

UCONN has a very young team (5 senior starters) and we will be better next year. I really think Randy Edsall is a great coach cause he sticks to the basics and play to our strength. We had Dan O last yeat and he passed like crazy. This year we look like an option team.

I hope SU will beat RU cause those guys are getting more delusional by the day.

there "IS NOT" enough talent in NY,Mass,Conn,NJ for Uconn,Rutgers,BC,SU to share

The reason I really didn't wwant SU to play Uconn is because it gives them chances to beat SU and take a recruiting advantage


Uconn= New school with $$

SU= Old school, with no $$


Uconn gained alot by beating SU


Dwight Freeny,Ryan Lacasses, Kader Drame are a few Nutmeg state kids

Well at least I hope UCONN can get good Nutmeg kids home. We got a lot of good kids that went to the B10 and the ACC. I hope UCONN can keep those kids home. UCONN is becoming bigger and bigger in the state, which is a good thing.

The type of players Cuse need are in FLA.

cuseroc Wrote:

USFMike Wrote:wow i love the arrogance of some syracuse fans, "we're not rivals our rival is boston college because we share scholastic kinship???" wtf, by all means please leave for the acc so you can be with other such scholastic kin and have a big circle jerk. damn that va governor. with how embarrisingly low your football program has gone since the mcnabb days, you're lucky any team wants to consider you their rival. now i know why some of their fans are so cynical i'd be too knowing how far my program has sunk. i can't wait for usf to beat down these arrogant aholes.

Didnt I hear the same thing from USF fans regarding UCF not being your rivalry? "We're in the BE", Those are our rivalry'. Talk about arroganse.

i'd understand your point if uconn was in the mac or conf usa, but they are in the big east the same conference as you. thumbing your nose at a fellow conference member and declaring your "scholastic kinship" w/ boston college is something competely different. and it looks even worse when said inferior school beats you like a red headed step child. you gave props to uconn in another thread, so this wasn't directed at you or other fans w/ class, this is for the cuse fans who are bitter that they're bottom feeders in the big east instead of being bottom feeders in the acc. other than west va the old guard has really dropped the ball this year rutgers losing to illinois was an ominous sign, i thought you all were supposed to be the conference backbone as the new members get adjusted to bcs play.

KnightLight Wrote:

CollegeCard Wrote:

OUBOBCATJOHN Wrote:Of the eight teams in the BE. Already three teams are out of bowl contention. UC, Pitt, and now Syracuse. Will the BE fill those bowl slots. Louisville is a lock. WV,UConn, and USF appear close to locking up a berth. Rutgers is still very much alive. I don't see UC, Pitt, or Syracuse climbing out of the holes they have dug.

I agree with that. In an 8 team league, you can't have 7 or 8 bowl teams. Someone has to take the losses so 5 bowl teams is a respectable number. Obviously if everyone went 4-0 out of league we could have more if we then had a bunch of .500 in league teams but that is unrealistic.

Yes my team is doing well out of league (so far) so I am biased but I don't see it as a bad thing to have the teams that did well out of league to do well in league and vice versa for losing teams. If the reverse was true than everyone is between 7-4 and 4-7 and that just won't work too well.

CC,

Actually, being in the Big East...and only having 7 Conf Games...it shouldn't be impossible for 6-7 teams to be eligible to go Bowling.

It will only get easier next year when Big East teams will have to play FIVE non-conf games in the 12 game season..

BE Team just goes 5-0 or 4-1 in non-conf play...and just needs 2-3 wins in Conf Play to lock up Bowl Bid.

With only 7 Conf Games...even this year with 11 game schedule...but even much more so starting next year with 12 game schedule...it may not take much for a Big East team to earn a BE Bowl Slot.

KL

PS. Of course...non-conf schedule SOS (aka easy, moderate or tough games) will play a HUGE part in how many Conf Games a team will have to win to reach 6 total wins.

I meant more so towards your lastpoint (SOS) on a practical level. Even if BE teams like Syracuse improve, you can't assume they will go 4-1 every year OOC if they keep playing FSU, UVA, & ND type schedules. Only about 10 teams in the nation, well no one really just about, should assume 4-1 when they play 3 like that.

Now I do agree with you if everyone played a UConn 2005 non-conference slate and added 1 more game against a non-Top 25. UofL this season had a mid range approach. We long ago had scheduled UK and UNC. Oregon St was recently (since they have been pretty good) and FAU was a known gimme. Turns out UNC & OSU aren't top 25 so we play no one ranked but those 2 are still very respectable. The Card's games were definitely in the middle b/t a UConn & a Syracuse approach. However we have upcoming games against Miami, G Tech quite possibly, Utah, NC State possibly, UK every year...so we will have winnable but tough games.

Even with easy schedules, I think 6 of 8 is the max. Not mathematically, but if a team can only go 2-5 in league they likely won't be 4-1 out of league! And that only gets them to 6-6, which will make them bowl eligible but I believe every 7-5 & up team must be taken first. (could be wrong there)

USFMike Wrote:

cuseroc Wrote:

USFMike Wrote:wow i love the arrogance of some syracuse fans, "we're not rivals our rival is boston college because we share scholastic kinship???" wtf, by all means please leave for the acc so you can be with other such scholastic kin and have a big circle jerk. damn that va governor. with how embarrisingly low your football program has gone since the mcnabb days, you're lucky any team wants to consider you their rival. now i know why some of their fans are so cynical i'd be too knowing how far my program has sunk. i can't wait for usf to beat down these arrogant aholes.

Didnt I hear the same thing from USF fans regarding UCF not being your rivalry? "We're in the BE", Those are our rivalry'. Talk about arroganse.

i'd understand your point if uconn was in the mac or conf usa, but they are in the big east the same conference as you. thumbing your nose at a fellow conference member and declaring your "scholastic kinship" w/ boston college is something competely different. and it looks even worse when said inferior school beats you like a red headed step child. you gave props to uconn in another thread, so this wasn't directed at you or other fans w/ class, this is for the cuse fans who are bitter that they're bottom feeders in the big east instead of being bottom feeders in the acc. other than west va the old guard has really dropped the ball this year rutgers losing to illinois was an ominous sign, i thought you all were supposed to be the conference backbone as the new members get adjusted to bcs play.

Being in the same conference has nothing to do with having a rivalry(FSU/Fla Army/navy) Being in the same conference may make the rivalry more intense. But a rivalry will still be a rivalry no matter what the conference. The fact that USf and UCF are in the same state, and only 1 hour from each other is more of a rivalry than Uconn/Cuse. Thats what some USF fans seem to not understand.

Cuse has never been a bottom feeder in the BE in any sport, and I doubt that we will be a bottom feeder this year either.

my point was some cuse fans think uconn is below them just because they are new, but they're in the same conference and judging by last night they have the superior athletes. and judging by the way this season is progressing the old guard has been a dissapointment (west va not withstanding).

would i like to schedule ucf every year? sure, we're not in any position where we can be picky for well attended good atmosphere games, but they need to actually beat us for either side to consider this a true rivalry, until then its just wishful thinking. the basketball side is just as one sided. i'd personally like this series to eventually become a 2 for 1, more money for us. but i'm all for playing ucf every year.

USFMike Wrote:my point was some cuse fans think uconn is below them just because they are new, but they're in the same conference and judging by last night they have the superior athletes. and judging by the way this season is progressing the old guard has been a dissapointment (west va not withstanding).

would i like to schedule ucf every year? sure, we're not in any position where we can be picky for well attended good atmosphere games, but they need to actually beat us for either side to consider this a true rivalry, until then its just wishful thinking. the basketball side is just as one sided. i'd personally like this series to eventually become a 2 for 1, more money for us. but i'm all for playing ucf every year.

In your post, you said that UCF has to actually beat USF before it is truly to be a rivalry. Thats the same thing that Cuse fans have been saying about Uconn. Now that Uconn completely destroyed us last night, Let the Rivalry begin. Cuse/Uconn is now a true rivalry game.

Who cares about them being a new program. They have proven themselves.

again my post was in response to pusher t stating a rival with conference member conneticut is an insult to the greatness of syracuse like they're michigan or something (when in reality right now the conference would gladly trade them for either bc or va tech) plus the awkward "scholastic kinship" comment. you were actually one of the few cuse fans that gave uconn props and i gave you credit for that. although it may still not be a rivalry now it does have the makings of a good one eventually.

however i think we can both agree that extenuating circumstances such as location, convenience, or in cuse/uconn's case basketball hx do not make teams true rivals, but play on the field. which has always been usf's position on the ucf series.

I can understand your taking issue with PusherT, but you keep taking shots at Cuse, which I take issue with.
In your last post, you said something pretty stupid" the conference would gladly trade Cuse to get VT or BC. You seem to forget that the reason that USF is even in the BE is because BC left. Now if BC or Vt wanted to come back to the BE, who do you really think the conference would trade? USF.