tigersharktwo Wrote:WOW,what a tv market for Smiss.Just what the BE does not need.

That doesn't have jack **** to do with anything...if it did, Temple would be in The Big East. The TV market talk is absolute garbage. Teams are attractive to conferences due to fan interest, not TV market size. Get a clue.

njndirish Wrote:Side question, is even involved in the Heisman race any more? What happened to him? I liked the racecar they gave out to push for him.

He dropped off after the losses to Mississippi and tulsa, but he's back on the ESPN watch list. No way he goes to NYC now though.

WOW ECU,the fifth best 1A program in NC without a tv market.I guess at ECU tv does not count.

fsquid Wrote:

njndirish Wrote:Side question, is even involved in the Heisman race any more?  What happened to him? I liked the racecar they gave out to push for him.

He dropped off after the losses to Mississippi and tulsa, but he's back on the ESPN watch list. No way he goes to NYC now though.

Isn't DeAngelo leading the nation in total rushing as well as in rushing per game at an 187 or so average - (leads by +20 yards over the back in second place)

tigersharktwo Wrote:WOW ECU,the fifth best 1A program in NC without a tv market.I guess at ECU tv does not count.

You must be a Delaware or UMass fan.

Tigers2B1 Wrote:

fsquid Wrote:

njndirish Wrote:Side question, is even involved in the Heisman race any more?  What happened to him? I liked the racecar they gave out to push for him.

He dropped off after the losses to Mississippi and tulsa, but he's back on the ESPN watch list. No way he goes to NYC now though.

Isn't DeAngelo leading the nation in total rushing as well as in rushing per game at an 187 or so average - (leads by +20 yards over the back in second place)

Yep – here are the NCAA rushing stats. DeAngelo leads the nation at a 187.25 average. The running back who is second in the nation comes in at 149.20. An average distance of not quite 40 yards per game. Here’s the LINK -->

<a href='http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?div=4&rpt=IA_playerrush&site=org' target='_blank'>http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?di...errush&site=org</a>

Tigershark2-

You, sir, are an idiot. How big are the TV markets in Auburn, Gainsville....no...you know what...I'll just leave it at you being an idiot.

I really don't buy into the idea of TV markets and its relationship to college football, just look at schools like Alabama, Virginia Tech, Iowa, and others. For those that are interested here is an "updated" list of 05 tv markets and the DIRECT D-1A football schools the market holds, some overlap. Those with ( ) are in-direct schools that the market holds by location of the school and the state in which it is in

RANK Designated Market Area (DMA) TV Homes
1 New York 7,375,530 - Rutgers
2 Los Angeles 5,536,430 - USC, UCLA
3 Chicago 3,430,790 - Northwestern (Ill, Notre Dame, No. Ill)
4 Philadelphia 2,925,560 - Temple
5 Boston (Manchester) 2,375,310 - BC
6 San Francisco-Oak-San Jose 2,355,740 - Stanford, Cal, SJSU
7 Dallas-Ft. Worth 2,336,140 - TCU, SMU, North Texas
8 Washington, DC (Hagrstwn) 2,252,550 - Maryland, Navy (UVA, VT)
9 Atlanta 2,097,220 - GT (UGA)
10 Houston 1,938,670 - Houston, Texas A&M (UT, TT)
11 Detroit 1,936,350 - Michigan (Michigan State)
12 Tampa-St. Pete (Sarasota) 1,710,400 - USF (Florida)
13 Seattle-Tacoma 1,701,950 - Washington (Washington State)
14 Phoenix (Prescott) 1,660,430 - Arizona State (UA)
15 Minneapolis-St. Paul 1,652,940 - Minn
16 Cleveland-Akron (Canton) 1,541,780 - Akron (Ohio State, Kent State)
17 Miami-Ft. Lauderdale 1,522,960 - Miami, FAU, FIU
18 Denver 1,415,180 - Col, CSU (Air Force)
19 Sacramnto-Stkton-Modesto 1,345,820 - None (Cal, Stanford, SJSU)
20 Orlando-Daytona Bch-Melbrn 1,345,700 - UCF (Florida)
21 St. Louis 1,222,380 - None (Mizzou, Ill)
22 Pittsburgh 1,169,800 - Pitt (WVU, PSU)
23 Portland, OR 1,099,890 - None (Oregon, Oregon State)
24 Baltimore 1,089,220 - Maryland, Navy
25 Indianapolis 1,053,750 - None (IU)
26 San Diego 1,026,160 - SDSU
27 Charlotte 1,020,130 - Clemson (UNC, NCSU, Duke, Wake)
28 Hartford & New Haven 1,013,350 - UConn
29 Raleigh-Durham (Fayetvlle) 985,200 - Duke, UNC, NCSU (ECU, Wake)
30 Nashville 927,500 - Vandy (UT)
31 Kansas City 903,540 - None (Mizzou, KU, KSU)
32 Columbus, OH 890,770 - Ohio State (UC, Miami U)
33 Milwaukee 880,390 - None (Wisconsin)
34 Cincinnati 880,190 - UC, Miami U (Ohio State, UK, UL)
35 Greenvll-Spart-Ashevll-And 815,460 - Clemson (South Carolina)
36 Salt Lake City 810,830 - Utah (Utah State)
37 San Antonio 760,410 - None (UT, TAM, TT)
38 West Palm Beach-Ft. Pierce 751,930 - None (UF, Miami, FAU, FIU)
39 Grand Rapids-Kalmzoo-B.Crk 731,630 - Michigan State (Michigan, CMU, EMU, WMU)
40 Birmingham (Ann, Tusc) 716,520 - UAB (UA, Auburn)
41 Harrisburg-Lncstr-Leb-York 707,010 - None (PSU, Pitt)
42 Norfolk-Portsmth-Newpt Nws 704,810 - None (ECU, VT, UVA)
43 New Orleans 672,150 - Tulane (LSU)
44 Memphis 657,670 - Memphis, Ole Miss (Ark State)
45 Oklahoma City 655,400 - OU (OSU)
46 Albuquerque-Santa Fe 653,680 - NM, NMSU
47 Greensboro-H.Point-W.Salem 652,020 - Wake Forest (UNC, NCSU, Duke)
48 Las Vegas 651,110 - UNLV
49 Buffalo 644,430 - UB
50 Louisville 643,290 - UL (UK)
51 Providence-New Bedford 639,590 - None (BC, UConn)
52 Jacksonville 624,220 - None (Florida, UGA)
53 Austin 589,360 - Texas
54 Wilkes Barre-Scranton 588,540 - None (Temple, Rutgers)
55 Albany-Schenectady-Troy 552,250 - None
56 Fresno-Visalia 546,210 - Fresno State
57 Little Rock-Pine Bluff 531,470 - Arkansas
58 Knoxville 516,180 - Tenn
59 Dayton 513,610 - None (Ohio State, UC, Miami OH)
60 Richmond-Petersburg 510,770 - None (UVA, VT)
61 Tulsa 510,480 - Tulsa (OU, OSU)
62 Mobile-Pensacola (Ft Walt) 501,130 - None (FSU)
63 Lexington 478,560 - UK (UL)
64 Charleston-Huntington 477,890 - Marshall (WVU)
65 Flint-Saginaw-Bay City 475,500 - Michigan
66 Ft. Myers-Naples 461,920 - None (USF, Florida)
67 Wichita-Hutchinson Plus 446,820 - None (KU, KSU)
68 Roanoke-Lynchburg 440,390 - VT (UVA, UT)
69 Green Bay-Appleton 432,810 - None (Wisconsin)
70 Toledo 426,520 - Toledo (Ohio State)
71 Tucson (Sierra Vista) 422,480 - Arizona
72 Honolulu 414,960 - Hawaii
73 Des Moines-Ames 413,590 - Iowa State
74 Portland-Auburn 407,050 - Michigan State
75 Omaha 399,830 - None (NU)
76 Syracuse 398,240 - Syracuse
77 Springfield, MO 395,820 - Mizzou
78 Spokane 389,630 - None (UW, WSU)
79 Rochester, NY 385,460 - None (SU)
80 Paducah-Cape Girard-Harsbg 383,330 - None (UK, UL)
81 Shreveport 382,080 - None (LSU)
82 Champaign&Sprngfld-Decatur 378,100 - Ill
83 Columbia, SC 373,260 - South Carolina
84 Huntsville-Decatur (Flor) 370,820 - None (UA, FSU, Auburn)
85 Madison 365,550 - Wisconsin
86 Chattanooga 354,230 - None (UT)
87 South Bend-Elkhart 333,190 - Notre Dame
88 Cedar Rapids-Wtrlo-IWC&Dub 331,480 - Iowa
89 Jackson, MS 328,350 - None (Ole Miss, Miss State, So. Miss)
90 Burlington-Plattsburgh 325,720 - None
91 Tri-Cities, TN-VA 323,690 - None (VT, UT)
92 Harlingen-Wslco-Brnsvl-McA 318,800 - None
93 Colorado Springs-Pueblo 315,010 - Colorado State, Air Force (CU)
94 Waco-Temple-Bryan 310,960 - Baylor (Texas)
95 Davenport-R.Island-Moline 308,380 - None (UConn, BC)
96 Baton Rouge 305,810 - LSU
97 Savannah 296,100 - None (UGA)
98 Johnstown-Altoona 294,810 - None (Pitt, PSU)
99 El Paso (Las Cruces) 290,540 - New Mexico State, UTep
100 Evansville 288,800 - None (IU, Notre Dame, Purdue)
101 Greenville-N.Bern-Washingtn 283,730 - ECU
102 Youngstown 276,720 - None
103 Lincoln & Hastings-Krny 274,150 - NU
104 Ft. Smith-Fay-Sprngdl-Rgrs 273,000 - Arkansas
105 Charleston, SC 271,130 - None (South Carolina, ECU)
106 Ft. Wayne 270,500 - None (IU, Purdue, Notre Dame)
107 Myrtle Beach-Florence 265,770 - None (South Carolina, ECU)
108 Springfield-Holyoke 264,840 - None (Ohio State)
109 Tallahassee-Thomasville 261,250 - FSU
110 Lansing 256,790 - Michigan State
111 Tyler-Longview(Lfkn&Ncgd) 255,770 - None (Texas)
112 Reno 255,090 - UN
113 Traverse City-Cadillac 247,600 - None
114 Sioux Falls(Mitchell) 246,020 - None
115 Augusta 245,590 - None (UGA, South Carolina)
116 Montgomery-Selma 245,090 - None (UA, UAB, Auburn)
117 Peoria-Bloomington 241,800 - IU (Northwestern, No. Ill)
118 Fargo-Valley City 234,190 - None
119 Boise 230,100 - BSU (Idaho)
120 Macon 229,870 - None (UGA, GT)
121 Eugene 229,280 - Oregon (OSU)
122 SantaBarbra-SanMar-SanLuOb 224,290 - None (USC, UCLA)
123 La Crosse-Eau Claire 224,090 - None (Wisconsin)
124 Lafayette, LA 220,030 - ULL (LSU, Tulane)
125 Monterey-Salinas 218,080 - None
126 Yakima-Pasco-Rchlnd-Knnwck 211,610 - None (UW, WSU)
127 Columbus, GA 205,300 - Auburn (UGA, GT, UA)
128 Bakersfield 201,850 - None
129 Corpus Christi 192,380 - None (UT, TAM, Houston)
130 Chico-Redding 191,190 - None
131 Amarillo 190,250 - None (TT, UT, UTEP)
132 Columbus-Tupelo-West Point 186,510 - None (Ole Miss, Memphis, Miss State)
133 Rockford 183,090 - None (Ill)
134 Wausau-Rhinelander 182,620 - None
135 Monroe-El Dorado 174,370 - None
136 Topeka 170,650 - None (KU, KSU)
137 Duluth-Superior 168,650 - None
138 Columbia-Jefferson City 167,860 - Mizzou
139 Wilmington 167,810 - None (Temple, Navy)
140 Beaumont-Port Arthur 165,420 - None (Houston, LSU, ULL, TAM)
141 Medford-Klamath Falls 163,090 - None
142 Erie 158,660 - None (PSU, SU)
143 Sioux City 156,950 - None
144 Wichita Falls & Lawton 154,960 - None
145 Lubbock 152,150 - Texas Tech
146 Albany, GA 152,140 - None (GT, UGA)
147 Salisbury 147,890 - None (Maryland, Navy)
148 Bluefield-Beckley-Oak Hill 145,850 - None (WVU)
149 Terre Haute 145,630 - None (IU, Purdue, Notre Dame)
150 Bangor 142,790 - None
151 Rochestr-Mason City-Austin 142,770 - None
152 Palm Springs 142,730 - None
153 Wheeling-Steubenville 142,020 - None (WVU, Pitt)
154 Anchorage 141,290 - None
155 Binghamton 138,560 - None
156 Panama City 136,450 - None (FSU)
157 Biloxi-Gulfport 135,540 - None (So. Miss)
158 Odessa-Midland 135,100 - None (Texas, TAM)
159 Minot-Bismarck-Dickinson 133,910 - None
160 Sherman-Ada 124,060 - None
161 Gainesville 117,190 - Florida
162 Idaho Falls-Pocatello - None (Idaho, BSU)
163 Abilene-Sweetwater 112,510 - None
164 Clarksburg 108,730 - None (WVU)
165 Utica 106,130 - None
166 Hattiesburg-Laurel 105,000 - So. Miss
167 Missoula 104,700 - None
168 Quincy-Hannibal-Keokuk 103,890 - None
169 Yuma-El Centro 103,170 - None (ASU, UA)
170 Billings 102,620 - None
171 Dothan 98,370 - None
172 Elmira (Corning) 97,210 - None
173 Jackson, TN 95,010 - None (UT)
174 Lake Charles 94,090 - None (LSU, ULL, Tulane)
175 Alexandria, LA 93,120 - None (LSU, Tulane)
176 Rapid City 91,070 - None
177 Watertown 90,930 - None
178 Jonesboro 89,530 - Arkansas State
179 Marquette 89,160 - None
180 Harrisonburg 85,870 - None (UVA, VT)
181 Greenwood-Greenville 76,800 - None (Ole Miss, Miss State, So. Miss)
182 Bowling Green, OH 75,420 - Bowling Green
183 Meridian 71,210 - None (Ole Miss, Miss State, So. Miss)
184 Lima 70,940 - None (Ohio State)
185 Charlottesville 69,750 - UVA
186 Grand Junction-Montrose 65,190 - None
187 Laredo 64,410 - None (TX, TAM, TT)
188 Great Falls 64,130 - None
189 Parkersburg 63,990 - None
190 Lafayette, IN 63,330 - Purdue

Lets deal with ECU.MT told Terry Holland to forget about ibeing a football member of the BE in 2005.Instead ND signed for a 3 game per with the BE plus a bowl deal.Also Army and Navy are each getting involved in a 4 game per year deal with the BE.Navy already has Rutgers,UCONN and Pitt.Army has Rutgers and UCONN.By the way ECU is fair academic school with a fair football team and a terrible bb program.Their admission might make their fans happy but would not help the BE.TV markets make money with viewers and advertisers.

Only a jerk would compare SEC national championship programs with ECU.UFLA is a top research university (an AAU member) with great sports programs.Auburn is top technological university with a great sports program.ECU does not average 90k per game and the great research universities and great sports programs of NC do not include ECU.Terry Holland's magic is not strong enough for that job.

ST Patrick I am a BE fan who graduated from B10 programs.Also I am a NE who believes that the footprint of the BE should be directed toward the NE/MW not to the little south schools.

Quote: Isn't DeAngelo leading the nation in total rushing as well as in rushing per game at an 187 or so average - (leads by +20 yards over the back in second place)

Maroney and Calhoun are the only two who are even remotely close, and even then, they've each played one more game than DeAngelo.

<a href='http://media.putfile.com/TDeAngeloUTEP' target='_blank'>http://media.putfile.com/TDeAngeloUTEP</a>
<a href='http://media.putfile.com/DeAngeloUTEPremix' target='_blank'>http://media.putfile.com/DeAngeloUTEPremix</a>

Hey, idiot (yes I'm talking to you), I wasn't comparing the schools, I was comparing TV markets which was what your origional argument was all about.

Hummell, Tigersharktwo is a fan/alum. of a Big East school that doesn't play D1a football if I remember correctly. He doesn't want the money schools to leave his school in a conference that will resemble the A-10. He also thinks that academics are the deciding factor when it comes to possible Big East expansion. You are correct. He does not know anything about ECU or possible expanion. He must be very smart, since he graduated from an AAU school with a degree in P.E. :D

I did notice that ECU had a real tv market.ECU belongs with its fellow schools Marshall,SMiss in CUSA east (little south).If ECU is so good why didn't the acc take it instead of bc?

Jeepers Christmas folks. What is this, preschool recess?

State facts. Offer opinions. Move on.

To TS2:

Sometime earlier this year on the other board you switched from simply offering you ideas to making sure every comment included some jibe at another poster/program. Seriously, I think I'd have a tough time finding a post of yours that is a serious contribution to the discussion. Keep it up and I'll pursue your banishment with the admins. I'm begging you, Please find a high road somehow.

To Everyone Else:

TS2 isn't exactly, or always, alone in begin guilty here. Get a ******* grip and realize when you're simply baiting or being baited. Or else this board will join others abandoned by all the quality members.

This is suppose to be a BE board to discuss the BE amongst BE fans.It is not suppose to be a sales meeting of CUSA east members for entry into the BE.I do not go onto the CUSA board and start the same kind of stuff that is heard here from cusa east.members.I would think the majority of BE members have heard the ECU/Smiss/Memphis stuff for the BE on a continuing basis.If anyone should deprived of membership on this board it is the CUSA east group.Let them post all their plans on the CUSA board. they want,but get them of their trip on the BE

It is a BE board; however, the topic in this post included C-USA teams. The fact is that many are looking forward to some type of Big East split or expansion and there are no schools in the NE that would be better than some current C-USA programs. UMass, Maine, UVM, URI, SUNY are all better candidates than the southern C-USA schools, I don't think so. We are not going to get Notre Dame or Penn State and both Army and Navy have both come out and stated they don't want to be in a conference; so, we have to look at C-USA or the MAC.

Another topic that should be looked into is the number of BE schools that will lose money this season even by being in the BCS. I know some stated that UC, Pitt, SU, Rutgers and even da Bulls are not making money off football.

tigersharktwo Wrote:This is suppose to be a BE board to discuss the BE amongst BE fans.It is not suppose to be a sales meeting of CUSA east members for entry into the BE.I do not go onto the CUSA board and start the same kind of stuff that is heard here from cusa east.members.I would think the majority of BE members have heard the ECU/Smiss/Memphis stuff for the BE on a continuing basis.If anyone should deprived of membership on this board it is the CUSA east group.Let them post all their plans on the CUSA board. they want,but get them of their trip on the BE

The point of this website is for fans of different schools in different conferences to come together and discuss college sports. I understand why Big East fans would be getting tired of constant posting on this board from C-USA East fans, but unless those fans are being terribly disrespectful, there is no reason why they can't read and post on this board.

I say add less teams and add more sports! :)