(09-04-2012 04:04 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: Of course you want to drop it...because you know you can't prove your bull**** claim.
You can't even make the leap that someone as inflammatory as Rev. Wright is a Communist or a Socialist. 
You can't make the claim about his mother...or his stepfather. Of course I'm sure you can find a right-wing hate source for your proof on everybody I could name...that's why I'm reluctant to do so.
But Obama has also spoken glowingly of Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan. They obviously had an impact on his life.
But unlike you. I can't claim to know every single person who has had a significant influence of his life.
I think the problem is that you seem to feel that if anyone holds some portion of their beliefs that happen to fit a communist or socialist model that they can't be anything but that in their entirety. I'm guessing even Jesus would take issue with you. 
But lets take you. Do you want Medicare, Social Security, Welfare, Earned Income Credit, etc. to all go away. If you say no then I guess you must be a Socialist then huh?
It's just plain moronic...sorry.
I can't prove it
to you becuase your mind isn't open to the possibility. God forbid anyone say anything negative about your Messisah. Must be a racist, obviously.
There are a number of objective and verifiable facts suggesting that Obama leans strongly toward socialism/communism. What he has said, what he has written, how he has voted, who he has hung out with politically, a long laundry list over a lengthy period of time.
You claim that I have not produced support, and then admit that youi would dismiss any support I produced as coming from an "right-wing"--and hence unreliable--source. There's no point in trying to engage in discussion with someone who takes that kind of stance. But I'll play ball a little bit.
At a very minimum, the predominant influences on his life have come from the socialist/communist direction. If you want to insist that somehow Ronald Reagan and Abraham Lincoln have influenced his political philosophy more than Jeremiah Wright and Bill Ayers and Frank Marshall Davis, among others, then nothing I can say or do is going to change your mind. But I don't believe that and I don't see much aside from Obama's own self-serving words that would support that.
You have offered the grandmother as a possible conservative influence. As I said, I've not heard that previously, so I will endeavour to check that out, although so far the web isn't yielding a lot of information supporting that claim. I am open-minded enough to try to evaluate just where she stood and how much she influenced him. I have a bit of a hard time believing that a conservative grandmother would have supported the mentor relationship with Frank Marshall Davis, but perhaps she got overruled on that; of course, that woud then call into question just how strong an influence she was. But unlike you, I am at least open-minded to check it out.
I realize that the left wants to downplay Obama's far-left connections, but they are there and they are real. Whether he is truly a socialist/communist or merely a hard-left democrat is open to debate, and if that's a debate you want to have, then let's. But either way, he is nowhere near the center.
Claire McCaskill might be reasonably described as center-left. So might Jim Webb. Maybe Joe Lieberman (although he tends to lean fairly far left on social issues, but neocon for military and foreign policy issues). Maybe Joe Manchin belongs in the center, although I would probably describe him as center-right, even though he is a democrat. I think that's a pretty reasonable list and pretty well reflects where the center is, and I would think that the kind of wild-eyed crazy that you are falsely trying to portray me to be would have a hard time producing such a list. Obama is light years to the left of any of them on the vast majority of issues.
If all you want to do is hurl more personal insults, I have two ex-wives for that. If you want to discuss the issue reasonably, then it's time for you to change your tune.
