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RE: Court says No on texas voter ID
How exactly is it racist to require the exact same thing of voters of every race?
08-30-2012 02:18 PM
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RE: Court says No on texas voter ID
I have no idea what the f'n issue is. If it becomes required to get one, GET ONE. They'll always show the face of some vulnerable old person, that doesn't drive and has never traveled and therefore, never had a reason to get an ID. WELL NOW YOU DO.

If I were in the state legislature, I would try to set up a program for those who aren't issued one and deemed unable to afford one, a free one. That way race should be taken out of the debate for at least this one issue.
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RE: Court says No on texas voter ID
Any Voter ID must also carry with it a way to verify eligibility. The FED is not willing to do that at this time. Verify age,citizenship, convict status is not a priority. Go figure....
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RE: Court says No on texas voter ID
(08-30-2012 02:33 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Any Voter ID must also carry with it a way to verify eligibility. The FED is not willing to do that at this time. Verify age,citizenship, convict status is not a priority. Go figure....

The feds shouldn't do that anyway. That's the state's job. If the feds get that type of leeway, they'll exploit it until they can officially call themselves Big Brother.
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RE: Court says No on texas voter ID
(08-30-2012 02:18 PM)Smaug Wrote:  How exactly is it racist to require the exact same thing of voters of every race?

It just is, ask Rob and Tom and Max.
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RE: Court says No on texas voter ID
(08-30-2012 01:24 PM)Rebel Wrote:  All these idiots have I.D.'s for beer, cigs, cashing checks, driving, etc.

Beer, cigs, cashing checks, and driving are not one of the founding pillars of our society. Voting is a central tenant of democracy.
08-30-2012 02:46 PM
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RE: Court says No on texas voter ID
(08-30-2012 02:42 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 02:18 PM)Smaug Wrote:  How exactly is it racist to require the exact same thing of voters of every race?

It just is, ask Rob and Tom and Max.

Three people less qualified than me to call racism.
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RE: Court says No on texas voter ID
(08-30-2012 12:58 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 12:35 PM)uofmcamaro Wrote:  So does someone have to prove that it would hurt the voting rights of minorities?

I'm surprised that conservatives are so supportive of increased voter laws.

Any new law should require a reason.
Any new law that limits a constitutional right should require a damn good reason.

If fraudulent voting is a major problem that warrants new legislation, it should be easy to make the case.

Again, Minnesota was found to have felons voting.
Dead people were found to have voted in Illinois and Florida (it was rumoured that it happened in Missouri, but Robin Carnahan won't let us check the voter rolls).

It only takes one example corrupts the ENTIRE system.
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RE: Court says No on texas voter ID
(08-30-2012 02:06 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 02:02 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 02:01 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 01:38 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I remember when American citizenship used to mean something. These days anyone can come here and call themselves American.

Anyone can be American.

If they go through the process.

American and American Citizen are two versions of the same thing.

So, anyone that comes to the country can just declare themselves an American and should be given the right to vote?
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RE: Court says No on texas voter ID
(08-30-2012 01:34 PM)maximus Wrote:  i had to show my photo ID last time i voted

whoopde freakin do da

Max, i don't know which state you live in, but did they ask for "photo" ID or just ID (again, some states allow you to use _utility bills_ to say you're eligible to vote...

And i know it happens, because it happened to my wife in Missouri; I was standing NEXT to her when she went to sign the form that says you voted, because (according to the poll worker), someone said she had come in... and someone had signed/initialized her name.. even though it was an obvious forgery.
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RE: Court says No on texas voter ID
(08-30-2012 02:07 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 02:04 PM)Rebel Wrote:  I realize you Progs are desperately trying to get more and more illegals and people named Mickey Mouse on the voting roles so you can't f*ck over the rest of the REAL Americans, which are supposed to be your compatriots, but it's not gonna work. You're gonna push too f*cking hard and you're not going to like the result.

*push*

*chambers a round*
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(08-30-2012 02:52 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 02:07 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 02:04 PM)Rebel Wrote:  I realize you Progs are desperately trying to get more and more illegals and people named Mickey Mouse on the voting roles so you can't f*ck over the rest of the REAL Americans, which are supposed to be your compatriots, but it's not gonna work. You're gonna push too f*cking hard and you're not going to like the result.

*push*

*chambers a round*

*push*
*shove*
*slap*
*spit*
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RE: Court says No on texas voter ID
(08-30-2012 02:51 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 02:06 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 02:02 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 02:01 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 01:38 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  I remember when American citizenship used to mean something. These days anyone can come here and call themselves American.

Anyone can be American.

If they go through the process.

American and American Citizen are two versions of the same thing.

So, anyone that comes to the country can just declare themselves an American and should be given the right to vote?

Anyone can declare themselves an American. Being "American" is more than just a piece of paper.
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RE: Court says No on texas voter ID
(08-30-2012 03:03 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 02:51 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 02:06 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 02:02 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 02:01 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  Anyone can be American.

If they go through the process.

American and American Citizen are two versions of the same thing.

So, anyone that comes to the country can just declare themselves an American and should be given the right to vote?

Anyone can declare themselves an American. Being "American" is more than just a piece of paper.

Thanks for not answering the question. Would you like to try again?
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(08-30-2012 03:00 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 02:52 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 02:07 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 02:04 PM)Rebel Wrote:  I realize you Progs are desperately trying to get more and more illegals and people named Mickey Mouse on the voting roles so you can't f*ck over the rest of the REAL Americans, which are supposed to be your compatriots, but it's not gonna work. You're gonna push too f*cking hard and you're not going to like the result.

*push*

*chambers a round*

*push*
*shove*
*slap*
*spit*

You wouldn't get to the shove.
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RE: Court says No on texas voter ID
(08-30-2012 02:38 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 02:33 PM)SumOfAllFears Wrote:  Any Voter ID must also carry with it a way to verify eligibility. The FED is not willing to do that at this time. Verify age,citizenship, convict status is not a priority. Go figure....

The feds shouldn't do that anyway. That's the state's job. If the feds get that type of leeway, they'll exploit it until they can officially call themselves Big Brother.

I don't like it but the SCOTUS ruled that immigration, citizenship is the sole domain of ...... Wait for it...... Wait for it...... The Feds.
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(08-30-2012 03:22 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 03:00 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 02:52 PM)Rebel Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 02:07 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 02:04 PM)Rebel Wrote:  I realize you Progs are desperately trying to get more and more illegals and people named Mickey Mouse on the voting roles so you can't f*ck over the rest of the REAL Americans, which are supposed to be your compatriots, but it's not gonna work. You're gonna push too f*cking hard and you're not going to like the result.

*push*

*chambers a round*

*push*
*shove*
*slap*
*spit*

You wouldn't get to the shove.

I love that this board has a resident tough guy.

you stay classy, Rebel
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RE: Court says No on texas voter ID
(08-30-2012 12:50 PM)Rebel Wrote:  The mere fact that Democrats don't want people to prove who they are before voting shows you that they want to steal elections. There is no other way to look at it. It also shows you what they think of minorities; that they're all extremely stupid and incapable of obtaining a generic document like an identification.

Bunch of racist f'n thieves. Revolution breaks off up in this mofo, I'm gonna have fun.


So you think that making sure all Americans can vote is stealing the election.. what does that say? Also, it's now racist to make sure minorities have the right to vote? Do you want to be the one to pay for all these ID's?

You friend are hilarious as always, keep it up, your caricature of an ignorant conservative is spot on.

This is America.. everyone should have the right to vote.. are you suggesting wasting more tax payer money? That doesn't seem very conservative to me. Or are you suggesting poor people shouldn't have the right vote? Either way.. that doesn't seem to mesh well with conservative's supposed values.
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(08-30-2012 05:07 PM)HuskieFan84 Wrote:  
(08-30-2012 12:50 PM)Rebel Wrote:  The mere fact that Democrats don't want people to prove who they are before voting shows you that they want to steal elections. There is no other way to look at it. It also shows you what they think of minorities; that they're all extremely stupid and incapable of obtaining a generic document like an identification.

Bunch of racist f'n thieves. Revolution breaks off up in this mofo, I'm gonna have fun.

So you think that making sure all Americans can vote is stealing the election.. what does that say? Also, it's now racist to make sure minorities have the right to vote? Do you want to be the one to pay for all these ID's?

Actually Huskie, the argument is that these photo ID's must be free to voters. At least among Conservatives... see the Rhode Island and Kansas ones for a good example. They simply have to show up to their local govt. offices and if they don't have one, the state has to supply one if they have proof of their citizenship.

I'm opposed to anything that would have even the appearance of a poll tax. (It's my one issue with the Alabama one for instance.. Citizens have to provide some form that costs them money to get..)
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RE: Court says No on texas voter ID
---My first post on this thread; I haven't read the earlier comments.

I don't know the details of the Texas voter-ID law, but I do know the details of the Georgia and Indiana laws, and consider them to be satisfactory. Both of those laws have been reviewed and approved by the SCOTUS, and if Texas ultimately winds up with something similar to that, it'll be fine with me.

More broadly, the issue of voter-ID is one which the Democrats are in a small minority (roughly 2:1 in most polls, and even less than that in some), so I am happy for this debate to play out for as long as they want it to.
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