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Looking ahead to divisional alignments...
Assuming the recent rumors about the Big East going with a "zipper" type divisional alignment are true, where you play everyone in your division each year, 1 annual crossover/rivalry game against the same school every year from the other division, then x number of games against other schools in the other division...

Who should be paired-up for the rivalry games in a 12 school set-up? An easy question for some schools. Not so much for some of the others.

Division X - Division Y
UConn - Rutgers
USF - UCF
Louisville - Cincy
Memphis - Temple
Houston - SMU
SDSU - Boise St.

Not sure if pairing up Memphis and Temple makes sense. Don't know if they have a history. Could do Memphis/L'ville & Temple/Cincy instead.


...in a 14 school set-up? This gets a little harder.

* if BYU is #14
Division X - Division Y
UConn - Rutgers
USF - UCF
Louisville - Cincy
Memphis - Temple
Houston - SMU
SDSU - Navy
BYU - Boise St.

* if AFA is #14
Division X Division Y
UConn - Rutgers
USF - UCF
Louisville - Cincy
Memphis - Temple
Houston - SMU
SDSU - Boise St.
Navy - AFA

* if Fresno is #14
Division X - Division Y
UConn - Rutgers
USF - UCF
Louisville - Cincy
Memphis - Temple
Houston - SMU
SDSU - Fresno
Navy - Boise St.

* if Tulane is #14
Division X - Division Y
UConn - Rutgers
USF - UCF
Louisville - Cincy
Navy - Temple
Memphis - Tulane
Houston - SMU
SDSU - Boise St.

Who would you want as your cross-divisional rival?
08-22-2012 12:14 PM
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RE: Looking ahead to divisional alignments...
I personally think Memphis, Cincinnati, and Louisville will be in the same division. So depending on what former CUSA teams aren't in our division, I would choose Houston, UCF, or USF.
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RE: Looking ahead to divisional alignments...
Memphis and Temple doesn’t work. They have no history and there would be zero interest from either side. If it’s the zipper system then for the Temple / Rutgers / UConn trio they would need to have 2 play in division each year, and the other 2 play in the rivalry game, it’s the only fit for Temple. Rutgers and UConn are their 2 natural rivals.
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RE: Looking ahead to divisional alignments...
There are lots of mathematical permutations, but to me, it makes the most sense, and solves the most problems, by putting Louisville, Cincinnati and Memphis in the same division, and UConn, Temple and Rutgers in the other division. Zipper each of those 3 with one each of the other 3.

Then zipper UCF-USF, SMU-UH and SDSU-BSU. When Navy comes in 2015, with #14, then remix and zipper Boise-BYU and SDSU-Navy. IF it's not BYU, and it's AFA, instead, then simply zipper AFA-Navy.
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RE: Looking ahead to divisional alignments...
(08-22-2012 12:34 PM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  Memphis and Temple doesn’t work. They have no history and there would be zero interest from either side. If it’s the zipper system then for the Temple / Rutgers / UConn trio they would need to have 2 play in division each year, and the other 2 play in the rivalry game, it’s the only fit for Temple. Rutgers and UConn are their 2 natural rivals.
Hey, we shared the same AD. We stole him from Temple, and then recently threw him back, lol.
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RE: Looking ahead to divisional alignments...
(08-22-2012 12:38 PM)TripleA Wrote:  There are lots of mathematical permutations, but to me, it makes the most sense, and solves the most problems, by putting Louisville, Cincinnati and Memphis in the same division, and UConn, Temple and Rutgers in the other division. Zipper each of those 3 with one each of the other 3.

Then zipper UCF-USF, SMU-UH and SDSU-BSU. When Navy comes in 2015, zipper them with #14.

I agree for the 12-team set-up. There's no need to have a permanent crossover for every team in the conference. If the divisions are set up as you suggest, then have those 6 rotate who the crossover is and have the other 6 establish the permanent crossovers.

Red: UConn, Rutgers, Temple, USF, SDSU, UH
Blue: Louisville, Memphis, Cincinnati, UCF, Boise, SMU

For the 14-team set-up, I would suggest that instead of zippering Navy to BYU (which makes little sense), put BYU in the same division with Boise, and Navy in the same division with UConn, Rutgers, and Temple:

Red: UConn, Rutgers, Temple, Navy, USF, SDSU, UH
Blue: Louisville, Memphis, Cincinnati, BYU, UCF, Boise, SMU

Then the 6 schools which are logical permanent crossovers keep those and the 8 schools that aren't logical crossovers rotate amongst themselves.
08-22-2012 12:49 PM
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RE: Looking ahead to divisional alignments...
^ I think putting BYU, Boise and Louisville in the same division overloads that one. Zipper Boise and BYU, and zipper Navy and SDSU. Problem solved.
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RE: Looking ahead to divisional alignments...
(08-22-2012 12:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  ^ I think putting BYU, Boise and Louisville in the same division overloads that one. Zipper Boise and BYU, and zipper Navy and SDSU. Problem solved.

I think the issue with that is that Boise will want to play SDSU and BYU every year. BYU and SDSU not so much.

And unbalanced divisions they might be in the near term, but history tells us that should even out over time.

My setup has Rutgers, UConn, Temple, and Navy playing each other every year; Louisville, Memphis, and Cincy playing each other every year; and Boise playing SDSU and BYU every year. I think all of those schools would want that, plus the UH-SMU and UCF-USF matchups are kept as well.
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RE: Looking ahead to divisional alignments...
(08-22-2012 12:58 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  
(08-22-2012 12:53 PM)TripleA Wrote:  ^ I think putting BYU, Boise and Louisville in the same division overloads that one. Zipper Boise and BYU, and zipper Navy and SDSU. Problem solved.

I think the issue with that is that Boise will want to play SDSU and BYU every year. BYU and SDSU not so much.

And unbalanced divisions they might be in the near term, but history tells us that should even out over time.

My setup has Rutgers, UConn, Temple, and Navy playing each other every year; Louisville, Memphis, and Cincy playing each other every year; and Boise playing SDSU and BYU every year. I think all of those schools would want that, plus the UH-SMU and UCF-USF matchups are kept as well.
You're making my head hurt. I defer to Aresco. 03-lmfao

Just kidding. Good points, too. Lots of ways to skin a cat. No one way makes everybody happy.
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RE: Looking ahead to divisional alignments...
Or they could do it by color (with two exceptions):

Red: Temple, Rutgers, Houston, Cincinnati, SMU, SDSU (sort of), Louisville
Blue: Navy, UConn, Memphis, Boise, BYU, USF, UCF (those last two have to go somewhere)
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RE: Looking ahead to divisional alignments...
(08-22-2012 01:08 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Or they could do it by color (with two exceptions):

Red: Temple, Rutgers, Houston, Cincinnati, SMU, SDSU (sort of), UL
Blue: Navy, UConn, Memphis, Boise, BYU, USF, UCF (those last two have to go somewhere)

FIFY

I truthfully could careless who else is in Memphis' division as long as it included Louisville and Cincinnati.
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