Very good article on the new BIG EAST Boss from Tony Barnhart:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...e-big-east

Its funny to see the different tune of Tim Brando and Tony Barnhart after one of their own (CBS VP Aresco) was hired as Big East Commish.

Just 3 months ago, Brando and Barnhart were rambling how CUSA and the MWC were "equals" with the Big East...and how the Big East had "no future" and would be fortunate to get scraps (i.e. so few $$$) in their upcoming tv deal.

Funny how much of those silly comments have stopped once an adult was placed in the Big East chair.

And also ESPiN has somewhat gone quiet as well especially after he pushed back on College Football Live.

If only he was in charge after Trained Goosed Retired and we went with "Meatball" instead. Might be a different looking league but my guess UCF would still be a member and even after the raids we would still be considered @ the Big Table.

Now we still might end up back @ that table but the new commish has his work cut out for him.

(08-21-2012 09:20 AM)Maize Wrote:  And also ESPiN has somewhat gone quiet as well especially after he pushed back on College Football Live.

If only he was in charge after Trained Goosed Retired and we went with "Meatball" instead. Might be a different looking league but my guess UCF would still be a member and even after the raids we would still be considered @ the Big Table.

Now we still might end up back @ that table but the new commish has his work cut out for him.

If only BE has the foresight to create a national conference a long time ago. I saw the value of that years ago and I am just a poster here. We discussed this out of the box years ago. It would have been neat and innovative. That's something Frank and I agreed on and we rarely agree on anything.

Instead, BE sat on 8 vs. developing future BCS programs like UCF. We should have expanded to 10 a long time ago. It was not national, but it was a step towards stability. Instead, we sat on 8 for years. Presidents are part to blame as well as the commissioner. I thought Marinatto was a horrible hire and still true to this day. He is a nice guy but he looks like one of the 3 stooges. He got no respect from other commissioners. Remember he met with Dan Beebee and Swofford after the B12 raid trying to bring ethics to conference realignment? He also sent flowers to BeeBee? Of course, right after B12 took TCU and WVU. Swofford worked like ninja in the middle of the night under cover of the clouds to take SU and Pitt. Of course, ESPiN played a role in this but Marinatto was completely blindsided.

It took some huge change of events to get to where we are today. No one envision the current membership group but it is what it is. We got great potential. We just need a leader who can sell this and get all the programs up to other power conference standards and beyond. I believe Arresco believes he can do that. If he is able, he might just accomplished one of the greatest turnarounds in college athletics.

Agree, SF. With TV Negotiations in 2012 in mind, the Big East should have added teams in 2009 or even 2005 so they could grow their brand in a BCS conference. The bottomline is that a UCF/Houston/Boise State program is far more valuable to a media contract if they had spent 3 - 7 years in a BCS conference to build a fanbase, local interest, and viewership than in the C-USA, WAC, or MWC. The difference might be small but a BCS-level UCF/Houston/Boise State, etc. would add at least a few million $$$ to an upcoming TV contract.

(08-21-2012 08:37 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Its funny to see the different tune of Tim Brando and Tony Barnhart after one of their own (CBS VP Aresco) was hired as Big East Commish.

Now all of a sudden the sky is the limit for the BE. It really was a genius hire on many levels.

Great article. Amazing how the tune has changed the last couple of weeks.

Somebody needs to shorten the subject of the thread. I couldn't reply without doing so.

(08-21-2012 09:27 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  If only BE has the foresight to create a national conference a long time ago. I saw the value of that years ago and I am just a poster here.

Several of the former members, you know those who complained about lack of expansion as a reason for leaving, wanted no part of that, and would not even allow that discussion to take place. In fact two of them put the kabosh on expansion talks all together for a year while sitting and waiting patiently for a Big Ten invite that never came. A current school was guilty of this as well.

(08-21-2012 07:39 AM)Maize Wrote:  Very good article on the new BIG EAST Boss from Tony Barnhart:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...e-big-east

It's so ironic that it took a raid to force the BE to properly expand football... and to go nation-wide looking for the best. And in the end (if not already), the nBE is likely to be far superior, in both talent and dollars earned, to the old 8-team football conference. As they say, sometimes even a blind pig finds an acorn?

(08-21-2012 09:27 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(08-21-2012 09:20 AM)Maize Wrote:  And also ESPiN has somewhat gone quiet as well especially after he pushed back on College Football Live.

If only he was in charge after Trained Goosed Retired and we went with "Meatball" instead. Might be a different looking league but my guess UCF would still be a member and even after the raids we would still be considered @ the Big Table.

Now we still might end up back @ that table but the new commish has his work cut out for him.

If only BE has the foresight to create a national conference a long time ago. I saw the value of that years ago and I am just a poster here. We discussed this out of the box years ago. It would have been neat and innovative. That's something Frank and I agreed on and we rarely agree on anything.

Instead, BE sat on 8 vs. developing future BCS programs like UCF. We should have expanded to 10 a long time ago. It was not national, but it was a step towards stability. Instead, we sat on 8 for years. Presidents are part to blame as well as the commissioner. I thought Marinatto was a horrible hire and still true to this day. He is a nice guy but he looks like one of the 3 stooges. He got no respect from other commissioners. Remember he met with Dan Beebee and Swofford after the B12 raid trying to bring ethics to conference realignment? He also sent flowers to BeeBee? Of course, right after B12 took TCU and WVU. Swofford worked like ninja in the middle of the night under cover of the clouds to take SU and Pitt. Of course, ESPiN played a role in this but Marinatto was completely blindsided.

It took some huge change of events to get to where we are today. No one envision the current membership group but it is what it is. We got great potential. We just need a leader who can sell this and get all the programs up to other power conference standards and beyond. I believe Arresco believes he can do that. If he is able, he might just accomplished one of the greatest turnarounds in college athletics.

SF...u did say this back in 2010...yet instead of moving forward and inviting either UCF ir the two schools I favored-(ECU or Houston) to get to 10 that would have been a step in the right direction as well. Instead some of the Presidents & Meatball wanted to move up Nova...problem, Nova tried to do it "half@#$" and you had better options out there.

Now it appears we have someone who appears to be able to right the ship. Job one is TV Deal...if it is @ the very minimum around $16 Million Per All Sports Schools than we are in the same level as the other "Former AQ leagues". Point 2 is Bowl yie-in...not so much a "Contract Bowl" but @ the very minimum a Texas or Florida NYD Bowl with an opponent @ the level of the Big XII #3/4...B1G #3-5 or the SEC #4-6 & Nd In the mix as well. Also make it by far the highest payout of any Non Contract/Access Bowl payout with ND as in the mix as the BIG EAST Champion Opponent in this game with the SEC, B1G & Big XII. Also, put this game on NBC as well and watch it take off.

(08-21-2012 09:48 AM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(08-21-2012 08:37 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Its funny to see the different tune of Tim Brando and Tony Barnhart after one of their own (CBS VP Aresco) was hired as Big East Commish.

Now all of a sudden the sky is the limit for the BE. It really was a genius hire on many levels.

I think many at ESPN (too many to mention) and those at CBS (like Brando and Barnhart) just enjoyed having a conf that they could pick on and destroy...without ever fearing anyone from that conf would ever fire back at them...and call them out on FACTS.

ESPN did it to help make their other property (especially ACC) look better.

CBS did it because condescending radio/columns draws attention...and those at the top of the pecking order (i.e. SEC Fans, Big Ten fans, etc...) love it when others are being ridiculed.

Now, for the very first time, someone at the Big East is fighting back, mostly with readily available FACTS, which totally exposed the fallacies that ESPN and others were spewing.

Its good to see some long-time Big East fans realize what a joke it was for the conf when they just "hired the next guy from Providence", i.e. Marinatto, instead of thinking like any normal business (small or large) that hiring the best person available using leads to higher results.

Some of those Big East Fans "enjoyed" the status quo back then...glad they are singing a different tune today.

(08-21-2012 10:28 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(08-21-2012 09:48 AM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(08-21-2012 08:37 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  Its funny to see the different tune of Tim Brando and Tony Barnhart after one of their own (CBS VP Aresco) was hired as Big East Commish.

Now all of a sudden the sky is the limit for the BE. It really was a genius hire on many levels.

I think many at ESPN (too many to mention) and those at CBS (like Brando and Barnhart) just enjoyed having a conf that they could pick on and destroy...without ever fearing anyone from that conf would ever fire back at them...and call them out on FACTS.

ESPN did it to help make their other property (especially ACC) look better.

CBS did it because condescending radio/columns draws attention...and those at the top of the pecking order (i.e. SEC Fans, Big Ten fans, etc...) love it when others are being ridiculed.

Now, for the very first time, someone at the Big East is fighting back, mostly with readily available FACTS, which totally exposed the fallacies that ESPN and others were spewing.

Its good to see some long-time Big East fans realize what a joke it was for the conf when they just "hired the next guy from Providence", i.e. Marinatto, instead of thinking like any normal business (small or large) that hiring the best person available using leads to higher results.

Some of those Big East Fans "enjoyed" the status quo back then...glad they are signing a different tune today.

I think for the most part the all-sports schools that were left were not part of the "status quo" (as earlier mentioned by another poster).

It is nice to see a commisioner who lays out the facts to the media and puts them in their place.

(08-21-2012 09:59 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(08-21-2012 09:27 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  If only BE has the foresight to create a national conference a long time ago. I saw the value of that years ago and I am just a poster here.

Several of the former members, you know those who complained about lack of expansion as a reason for leaving, wanted no part of that, and would not even allow that discussion to take place. In fact two of them put the kabosh on expansion talks all together for a year while sitting and waiting patiently for a Big Ten invite that never came. A current school was guilty of this as well.

I was always on board adding UCF and ECU/Temple. I thought would at least give these programs a head start on developing into BCS programs like UL, Cincy and USF did.

(08-21-2012 10:14 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(08-21-2012 09:27 AM)SF Husky Wrote:  

(08-21-2012 09:20 AM)Maize Wrote:  And also ESPiN has somewhat gone quiet as well especially after he pushed back on College Football Live.

If only he was in charge after Trained Goosed Retired and we went with "Meatball" instead. Might be a different looking league but my guess UCF would still be a member and even after the raids we would still be considered @ the Big Table.

Now we still might end up back @ that table but the new commish has his work cut out for him.

If only BE has the foresight to create a national conference a long time ago. I saw the value of that years ago and I am just a poster here. We discussed this out of the box years ago. It would have been neat and innovative. That's something Frank and I agreed on and we rarely agree on anything.

Instead, BE sat on 8 vs. developing future BCS programs like UCF. We should have expanded to 10 a long time ago. It was not national, but it was a step towards stability. Instead, we sat on 8 for years. Presidents are part to blame as well as the commissioner. I thought Marinatto was a horrible hire and still true to this day. He is a nice guy but he looks like one of the 3 stooges. He got no respect from other commissioners. Remember he met with Dan Beebee and Swofford after the B12 raid trying to bring ethics to conference realignment? He also sent flowers to BeeBee? Of course, right after B12 took TCU and WVU. Swofford worked like ninja in the middle of the night under cover of the clouds to take SU and Pitt. Of course, ESPiN played a role in this but Marinatto was completely blindsided.

It took some huge change of events to get to where we are today. No one envision the current membership group but it is what it is. We got great potential. We just need a leader who can sell this and get all the programs up to other power conference standards and beyond. I believe Arresco believes he can do that. If he is able, he might just accomplished one of the greatest turnarounds in college athletics.

SF...u did say this back in 2010...yet instead of moving forward and inviting either UCF ir the two schools I favored-(ECU or Houston) to get to 10 that would have been a step in the right direction as well. Instead some of the Presidents & Meatball wanted to move up Nova...problem, Nova tried to do it "half@#$" and you had better options out there.

Now it appears we have someone who appears to be able to right the ship. Job one is TV Deal...if it is @ the very minimum around $16 Million Per All Sports Schools than we are in the same level as the other "Former AQ leagues". Point 2 is Bowl yie-in...not so much a "Contract Bowl" but @ the very minimum a Texas or Florida NYD Bowl with an opponent @ the level of the Big XII #3/4...B1G #3-5 or the SEC #4-6 & Nd In the mix as well. Also make it by far the highest payout of any Non Contract/Access Bowl payout with ND as in the mix as the BIG EAST Champion Opponent in this game with the SEC, B1G & Big XII. Also, put this game on NBC as well and watch it take off.

You got better memory than me LOL. I thought we had this idea years earlier. I know we discussed inviting BYU, UTAH, TCU, Boise etc. for a BE West portion of the conference. It was ridiculous out of the box at the time since people were so tied to geographies. I always thought geography is overrated in this days of TV and fast airplanes. BE finally got it done but the make up could have been much different if they acted earlier.