How long do you think the North division will be competitive without being able to recruit in the south?

(08-23-2012 12:57 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  What it shows is you are whining for nothing.

You would rather VT, Maryland, and UVA get totally shafted than to have everyone integrated.

Once again, I'll repeat myself. You don't complain because Va Tech has it made. You guys get everything you want with the current alignment. Plus you are coming over from the BE instead of the old ACC.

How would VT get shafted in the North/South split with Miami in the North? You are with all of your former BE teams in Miami, BC, Pitt and Syracuse. VT didn't have a big history with UNC, GT and Duke. YOUR post before showed this.

Says you have played GT 9 times. So that would mean you played them once or twice before coming to the ACC. Duke 19 times. So you played them 10 or 11 times. Not like you lose a lot of history with the move.

Maryland and Virginia would be with plenty of teams closer to them and they would get crossovers with key teams (like UVA with UNC). Maryland with Pitt makes a ton of sense as well.

As for your recruiting question, you still get into Miami every year. You would probably get a GT every year. On top of that, there are still 2 more random crossovers with Southern based teams. Maryland would probably get NC State and Virginia would get UNC so that is the same scenario for them.

(08-23-2012 12:59 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  How long do you think the North division will be competitive without being able to recruit in the south?

Why wouldn't you be able to recruit in the south?


We've got commitments in this recruiting class from Hawaii and Indiana, and in the 2014 class a kid from Texas. and we aren't playing games in any of those states.

VT was in the Big East out of necessity. Returning VT fans to a schedule of only BE teams will lead a lot of fans to quickly change their opinion of the ACC. Right now there is support to stay in the conference. That would flip to fans wanting to approach the SEC if a n/s split was implemented.

Playing GT isn't the important issue for VT. I've already said that Maryland could be swapped for GT if you spaced out GT and Clemson on the rotation so VT can have games in the south frequently. The important thing is that we play in NC and have a semi regular trip to GA/SC.

You are throwing a fit about a game against GT that hasn't been played many more times than you've been in the same conference. GT has their four most played games in their division. FSU has four of their top five most played in conference rivals. While VT has played 3 of the four NC teams more than FSU has played GT. They have played Duke nearly as many times as well. This is even without being in the same conference. VT already has to play BC even though there isn't any history behind it.

VT is closer to all four NC teams than FSU is to GT, yet you want to put all of them in a separate division because you can't play a team you never cared to schedule before you were in a conference together.

(08-23-2012 01:46 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(08-23-2012 12:59 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  How long do you think the North division will be competitive without being able to recruit in the south?

Why wouldn't you be able to recruit in the south?


We've got commitments in this recruiting class from Hawaii and Indiana, and in the 2014 class a kid from Texas. and we aren't playing games in any of those states.

The NC schools are closer to the recruiting areas in VA than VT is. Don't be so stupid. Playing near home matters for a lot of recruits.

So with North/South with Miami in the north, VT would swap out UNC and Duke for Syracuse and Maryland assuming GT as a cross over rival. I could live with that.

(08-23-2012 02:24 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  So with North/South with Miami in the north, VT would swap out UNC and Duke for Syracuse and Maryland assuming GT as a cross over rival. I could live with that.

Exactly. Plus you would get 2 other random Southern games every year.

(08-23-2012 02:32 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(08-23-2012 02:24 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  So with North/South with Miami in the north, VT would swap out UNC and Duke for Syracuse and Maryland assuming GT as a cross over rival. I could live with that.

Exactly. Plus you would get 2 other random Southern games every year.

I'd be fine with it, but I can see why the VT admin aren't. They want a game in North Carolina every year for recruiting purposes. It would suck to be in a conference with 4 North Carolina teams and not be able to do that.

We'll take Maryland and Virginia if you want 2 NC schools :)

(08-23-2012 12:57 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  What it shows is you are whining for nothing.

You would rather VT, Maryland, and UVA get totally shafted than to have everyone integrated.

How would VT be shafted if our opponents remained exactly the same (which would happen if we swapped GT & BC divisions and also cross-over opponents)? Only effect on VT - with GT out of the Coastal, we'd essentially just have to focus on beating Miami, Pitt and UVa (BC & UNC too if they ever get good again).

The road for GT would be harder by playing FSU, Clemson AND VT every year - if they don't like it, let them complain. Nothing for Hokies to complain about, IMO.

(08-23-2012 03:37 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-23-2012 12:57 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  What it shows is you are whining for nothing.

You would rather VT, Maryland, and UVA get totally shafted than to have everyone integrated.

How would VT be shafted if our opponents remained exactly the same (which would happen if we swapped GT & BC divisions and also cross-over opponents)? Only effect on VT - with GT out of the Coastal, we'd essentially just have to focus on beating Miami, Pitt and UVa (BC & UNC too if they ever get good again).

The road for GT would be harder by playing FSU, Clemson AND VT every year - if they don't like it, let them complain. Nothing for Hokies to complain about, IMO.

Why would you go from a guaranteed game in NC every year to one in the Northeast and pretty much give away 757 recruiting to the south division teams. We'd become a Maryland or UVA caliber team without them.

You are also assuming we get GT. I don't know any reason that combo would get chosen if they are shuffling divisions. We got stuck with BC last time.

Plus, I was talking about true n/s divisions. Not just swapping out GT. So you are adding Cuse, BC, and UMD for GT, UNC, Duke.

(08-23-2012 03:34 PM)Ragu Wrote:  We'll take Maryland and Virginia if you want 2 NC schools :)

So that would be :
North
-----
Boston College
Miami
North Carolina State - UNC and Duke in the South since UVA is in the South.
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest

South
-----
Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Maryland
North Carolina
Virginia

Meh, I don't like it. Since UVA would be our cross division rival, We'd only get to play Clemson, FSU, GT, MD and UNC home and away once every 6 years.

i dont like having FSU,GT,CLEMSON with all the north carolina schools.

NORTH--------------------------------------------------------------------SOUTH
miami---------------------------------------------------------------------florida state
virginia tech----------------------------------------------------------georgia tech
pittsburgh-------------------------------------------------------------maryland
boston college-------------------------------------------------------syracuse
virginia------------------------------------------------------------------clemson
duke--------------------------------------------------------------------wake forest
north carolina-------------------------------------------------------nc state





i did this without gts cheat sheet but hows that?

(08-23-2012 12:59 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  How long do you think the North division will be competitive without being able to recruit in the south?

Because not playing a game in GA and FL every year stops you from recruiting there? Chuckles didn't play further south than Tally in the ACC while at NCST ... and yet I noticed his roster was over 1/3 south Florida. Alabama doesn't play in FL every year ... and yet I see they cherry pick the best from all over FL. Having to play every year or every other year in a state to recruit it is just bogus.

(08-23-2012 03:49 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  Meh, I don't like it. Since UVA would be our cross division rival, We'd only get to play Clemson, FSU, GT, MD and UNC home and away once every 6 years.

Which is still an upgrade by far over life in the Big East for you ... where Miami was it for you south of the Mason-Dixon line.

(08-23-2012 05:12 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(08-23-2012 12:59 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  How long do you think the North division will be competitive without being able to recruit in the south?

Because not playing a game in GA and FL every year stops you from recruiting there? Chuckles didn't play further south than Tally in the ACC while at NCST ... and yet I noticed his roster was over 1/3 south Florida. Alabama doesn't play in FL every year ... and yet I see they cherry pick the best from all over FL. Having to play every year or every other year in a state to recruit it is just bogus.

Chuckles recruiting.........................it had to be the shoes!

Or the shades.

Just swapping Georgia Tech and BC alone would make the divisions make way more sense. It would also not create friction with anyone in the ACC. It only adds a few rivalries back to the schedule. Miami/BC and FSU/GT should be every season games.

(08-24-2012 09:57 AM)Ragu Wrote:  Just swapping Georgia Tech and BC alone would make the divisions make way more sense. It would also not create friction with anyone in the ACC. It only adds a few rivalries back to the schedule. Miami/BC and FSU/GT should be every season games.

Plus it will finally make UNC and Duke have to travel by plane in division more than once a year.

(08-24-2012 10:35 AM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  

(08-24-2012 09:57 AM)Ragu Wrote:  Just swapping Georgia Tech and BC alone would make the divisions make way more sense. It would also not create friction with anyone in the ACC. It only adds a few rivalries back to the schedule. Miami/BC and FSU/GT should be every season games.

Plus it will finally make UNC and Duke have to travel by plane in division more than once a year.

In that case, Swofford's son will simply start up a commuter airline with low-cost express service between Chapel Hill, NC and Boston, MA. It will become "the official airline of the ACC". (Appropriately enough they will fly black helicopters).