Not in domes but here are further examples of schools that used to play in off campus stadiums and have built (or in the process of building) on campus open air stadiums.

UCF
SMU
FAU
FIU
Baylor
Akron
Louisville

(08-20-2012 11:34 AM)panama Wrote:  It really just depends. I have been to San Antonio many times and the main problem is that the stadium is 12 miles from the campus. This is the same problem with Miami playing in Sun Life. Its very hard to develop a game day atmosphere when your students are a 20 to 30 minutes from the stadium. The Georgia Dome is 4 blocks from the center of GSU's campus and you dont hear many complaints if any. The difference is that it is a football stadium whereas the Metrodome and AstroDome were/are multi purpose facilities. All of the seats and site lines in the Georgia Dome are perfect for football. The Tulane situation I understand as they are a small private school. There is no way they are ever going to have crowds of 50k when their enrollment is maybe a 5th of that. It's not the same situation as say USF at RayJay, where you're talking about a school with an enrollment of nearly 50k with maybe 4 times that many alumni.

San Antonio will not have a problem building a gameday experience at the Dome.

1. San Antonio is are used to going downtown to celebrate. Family comes in and they want to see the Riverwalk. Spurs Win a championship go downtown. Alamobowl, monster truck rallies, major events? go downtown. They are programmed to drive down there any and everything.

1a. The infrastructure is in place for downtown SA. The dome is right next to the entertainment district Tons of parking, hotels, restaurants, entertainment. As a visiting fan (or even an alum), you can arrive downtown on Friday night and not require a car for the weekend.

2. UTSA is not thinking about 30,000 college students, they are thinking about San Antonio 1 Million people. Minneapolis had the Vikings, Atlanta had the the Falcons, and New Orleans had the Saints. SA has craved a team to call their own for years. UTSA is turning that NFL passion towards college football. Their marketing is Our (San Antonio's) team. The marching band is "The Sound of San Antonio". I wouldn't be surprised in 5 years if you see SA street culture adopting the roadrunner logo if they have some winning seasons.

3. It may be 12 Miles from the main campus, but only 1 mile from the downtown campus. UTSA has classroom space, offices, museums, and centers downtown. Students take courses at both campuses during the semester. On gameday, they offer city buses that run from campus downtown.

(08-20-2012 11:56 AM)MeanInGruene Wrote:  Not in domes but here are further examples of schools that used to play in off campus stadiums and have built (or in the process of building) on campus open air stadiums.
UCF
SMU
FAU
FIU
Baylor
Akron
Louisville

FIU has never played in an off-campus stadium other than one year in the old Orange Bowl when our stadium was being upgraded. So we played four years in the 'cage', left for a year while the entire stadium was rebuilt (except for the north bleechers which were enclosed this summer) and have played the last 3 years in the new stadium. We've never called an off-campus stadium 'home'.

(08-20-2012 12:12 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 11:34 AM)panama Wrote:  It really just depends. I have been to San Antonio many times and the main problem is that the stadium is 12 miles from the campus. This is the same problem with Miami playing in Sun Life. Its very hard to develop a game day atmosphere when your students are a 20 to 30 minutes from the stadium. The Georgia Dome is 4 blocks from the center of GSU's campus and you dont hear many complaints if any. The difference is that it is a football stadium whereas the Metrodome and AstroDome were/are multi purpose facilities. All of the seats and site lines in the Georgia Dome are perfect for football. The Tulane situation I understand as they are a small private school. There is no way they are ever going to have crowds of 50k when their enrollment is maybe a 5th of that. It's not the same situation as say USF at RayJay, where you're talking about a school with an enrollment of nearly 50k with maybe 4 times that many alumni.

San Antonio will not have a problem building a gameday experience at the Dome.

1. San Antonio is are used to going downtown to celebrate. Family comes in and they want to see the Riverwalk. Spurs Win a championship go downtown. Alamobowl, monster truck rallies, major events? go downtown. They are programmed to drive down there any and everything.

1a. The infrastructure is in place for downtown SA. The dome is right next to the entertainment district Tons of parking, hotels, restaurants, entertainment. As a visiting fan (or even an alum), you can arrive downtown on Friday night and not require a car for the weekend.

2. UTSA is not thinking about 30,000 college students, they are thinking about San Antonio 1 Million people. Minneapolis had the Vikings, Atlanta had the the Falcons, and New Orleans had the Saints. SA has craved a team to call their own for years. UTSA is turning that NFL passion towards college football. Their marketing is Our (San Antonio's) team. The marching band is "The Sound of San Antonio". I wouldn't be surprised in 5 years if you see SA street culture adopting the roadrunner logo if they have some winning seasons.

3. It may be 12 Miles from the main campus, but only 1 mile from the downtown campus. UTSA has classroom space, offices, museums, and centers downtown. Students take courses at both campuses during the semester. On gameday, they offer city buses that run from campus downtown.

The jury is stil out on all start-ups , us included. Lets see what happens in 5 or 6 years. I dont believe the downtown campus has dorms. And SA has an NFL team, its called the Dallas Cowboys. One thing I notice at the River Walk mall is that you do not see any UTSA merchandise for sale. So they have a ways to go become San Antonio's team as long as the Longhorns are 80 miles up the road.

(08-20-2012 12:22 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 11:56 AM)MeanInGruene Wrote:  Not in domes but here are further examples of schools that used to play in off campus stadiums and have built (or in the process of building) on campus open air stadiums.
UCF
SMU
FAU
FIU
Baylor
Akron
Louisville

FIU has never played in an off-campus stadium other than one year in the old Orange Bowl when our stadium was being upgraded. So we played four years in the 'cage', left for a year while the entire stadium was rebuilt (except for the north bleechers which were enclosed this summer) and have played the last 3 years in the new stadium. We've never called an off-campus stadium 'home'.

I stand corrected.

(08-20-2012 11:34 AM)panama Wrote:  It really just depends. I have been to San Antonio many times and the main problem is that the stadium is 12 miles from the campus. This is the same problem with Miami playing in Sun Life. Its very hard to develop a game day atmosphere when your students are a 20 to 30 minutes from the stadium. The Georgia Dome is 4 blocks from the center of GSU's campus and you dont hear many complaints if any. The difference is that it is a football stadium whereas the Metrodome and AstroDome were/are multi purpose facilities. All of the seats and site lines in the Georgia Dome are perfect for football. The Tulane situation I understand as they are a small private school. There is no way they are ever going to have crowds of 50k when their enrollment is maybe a 5th of that. It's not the same situation as say USF at RayJay, where you're talking about a school with an enrollment of nearly 50k with maybe 4 times that many alumni.

I think that UTSA being more of a nontraditional school in the fact that most of their students are locals makes it a little more viable to have an off campus facility. With that said, they are pushing hard to become a more traditional institution with more on campus housing and when that happens they will wish they had facilities that were more accessible to the students living there.

There is just a different feel playing on campus. I wouldn't have it any other way.

(08-20-2012 11:34 AM)panama Wrote:  It really just depends. I have been to San Antonio many times and the main problem is that the stadium is 12 miles from the campus. This is the same problem with Miami playing in Sun Life. Its very hard to develop a game day atmosphere when your students are a 20 to 30 minutes from the stadium. The Georgia Dome is 4 blocks from the center of GSU's campus and you dont hear many complaints if any. The difference is that it is a football stadium whereas the Metrodome and AstroDome were/are multi purpose facilities. All of the seats and site lines in the Georgia Dome are perfect for football. The Tulane situation I understand as they are a small private school. There is no way they are ever going to have crowds of 50k when their enrollment is maybe a 5th of that. It's not the same situation as say USF at RayJay, where you're talking about a school with an enrollment of nearly 50k with maybe 4 times that many alumni.

Actually Miami's gameday atmosphere is really good, and it's getting even better as we're now having a Cane Walk to the stadium each home game and the fans really get into it there. The football team and the band walk down through the crowd and it's really exciting... Anyway...

I wouldn't say it's impossible for Tulane to have crowds of 50,000. Miami is a small private school (~10k undergrad, ~15k total; Tulane is ~8k undergrad, ~13k total) but I definitely understand the difference in the situation. There most certainly are crowds of 78-80k at Sun Life Stadium that are absolutely amazing. It's not the whole "small private school" thing, it's more of Tulane hasn't put as much attention to athletics as it needed to in order to be successful.

Plus, I'm not sure how an on-campus stadium would work for a school like Miami. There's not a whole lot of room to squeeze one in, especially considering the campus is full as it is. I like Sun Life Stadium, it's THE home of Miami football...

(08-20-2012 12:56 PM)MeanInGruene Wrote:  I stand corrected.

Not correcting, just clarifying.

(08-20-2012 01:29 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 11:34 AM)panama Wrote:  It really just depends. I have been to San Antonio many times and the main problem is that the stadium is 12 miles from the campus. This is the same problem with Miami playing in Sun Life. Its very hard to develop a game day atmosphere when your students are a 20 to 30 minutes from the stadium. The Georgia Dome is 4 blocks from the center of GSU's campus and you dont hear many complaints if any. The difference is that it is a football stadium whereas the Metrodome and AstroDome were/are multi purpose facilities. All of the seats and site lines in the Georgia Dome are perfect for football. The Tulane situation I understand as they are a small private school. There is no way they are ever going to have crowds of 50k when their enrollment is maybe a 5th of that. It's not the same situation as say USF at RayJay, where you're talking about a school with an enrollment of nearly 50k with maybe 4 times that many alumni.

Actually Miami's gameday atmosphere is really good, and it's getting even better as we're now having a Cane Walk to the stadium each home game and the fans really get into it there. The football team and the band walk down through the crowd and it's really exciting... Anyway...

I wouldn't say it's impossible for Tulane to have crowds of 50,000. Miami is a small private school (~10k undergrad, ~15k total; Tulane is ~8k undergrad, ~13k total) but I definitely understand the difference in the situation. There most certainly are crowds of 78-80k at Sun Life Stadium that are absolutely amazing. It's not the whole "small private school" thing, it's more of Tulane hasn't put as much attention to athletics as it needed to in order to be successful.

Plus, I'm not sure how an on-campus stadium would work for a school like Miami. There's not a whole lot of room to squeeze one in, especially considering the campus is full as it is. I like Sun Life Stadium, it's THE home of Miami football...

Grew up a Cane fan from when I was a kid in Panama (Only US newspaper was the Miami Herald). The biggest mistake was not getting a new Orange Bowl built which at least would be closer if not on campus.

(08-20-2012 01:59 PM)panama Wrote:  Grew up a Cane fan from when I was a kid in Panama (Only US newspaper was the Miami Herald). The biggest mistake was not getting a new Orange Bowl built which at least would be closer if not on campus.

I agree that a new Orange Bowl would've been better, but still - what we have now is pretty nice. The Marlins Park took precedence I guess. And I'm not sure where a new one would be built, without buying a big block and spending millions and millions...

I think that once The U settled on following the Dolphins THEN the Marlins Park took precedence. Dade County would have preferred a football stadium that could host bowl games. It's really unfortunate that more Miami alumni do not care enough about the program to get a stadium done.

(08-20-2012 02:12 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 01:59 PM)panama Wrote:  Grew up a Cane fan from when I was a kid in Panama (Only US newspaper was the Miami Herald). The biggest mistake was not getting a new Orange Bowl built which at least would be closer if not on campus.

I agree that a new Orange Bowl would've been better, but still - what we have now is pretty nice. The Marlins Park took precedence I guess. And I'm not sure where a new one would be built, without buying a big block and spending millions and millions...

The canes wanted the city and county to pay $100 million + to upgrade the OB for 6 home games a year....at least the Marlins play 81 games a year there.

(08-20-2012 02:43 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 02:12 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 01:59 PM)panama Wrote:  Grew up a Cane fan from when I was a kid in Panama (Only US newspaper was the Miami Herald). The biggest mistake was not getting a new Orange Bowl built which at least would be closer if not on campus.

I agree that a new Orange Bowl would've been better, but still - what we have now is pretty nice. The Marlins Park took precedence I guess. And I'm not sure where a new one would be built, without buying a big block and spending millions and millions...

The canes wanted the city and country to pay $100 million + to upgrade the OB for 6 home games a year....at least the Marlins play 81 games a year there.

To varying degrees of attendance. Ha! The South Florida economy is hard on sports franchises.

But youre right, it would be difficult to get a stadium built now. Miami Gardens aint having it.

(08-20-2012 12:32 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 12:12 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 11:34 AM)panama Wrote:  It really just depends. I have been to San Antonio many times and the main problem is that the stadium is 12 miles from the campus. This is the same problem with Miami playing in Sun Life. Its very hard to develop a game day atmosphere when your students are a 20 to 30 minutes from the stadium. The Georgia Dome is 4 blocks from the center of GSU's campus and you dont hear many complaints if any. The difference is that it is a football stadium whereas the Metrodome and AstroDome were/are multi purpose facilities. All of the seats and site lines in the Georgia Dome are perfect for football. The Tulane situation I understand as they are a small private school. There is no way they are ever going to have crowds of 50k when their enrollment is maybe a 5th of that. It's not the same situation as say USF at RayJay, where you're talking about a school with an enrollment of nearly 50k with maybe 4 times that many alumni.

San Antonio will not have a problem building a gameday experience at the Dome.

1. San Antonio is are used to going downtown to celebrate. Family comes in and they want to see the Riverwalk. Spurs Win a championship go downtown. Alamobowl, monster truck rallies, major events? go downtown. They are programmed to drive down there any and everything.

1a. The infrastructure is in place for downtown SA. The dome is right next to the entertainment district Tons of parking, hotels, restaurants, entertainment. As a visiting fan (or even an alum), you can arrive downtown on Friday night and not require a car for the weekend.

2. UTSA is not thinking about 30,000 college students, they are thinking about San Antonio 1 Million people. Minneapolis had the Vikings, Atlanta had the the Falcons, and New Orleans had the Saints. SA has craved a team to call their own for years. UTSA is turning that NFL passion towards college football. Their marketing is Our (San Antonio's) team. The marching band is "The Sound of San Antonio". I wouldn't be surprised in 5 years if you see SA street culture adopting the roadrunner logo if they have some winning seasons.

3. It may be 12 Miles from the main campus, but only 1 mile from the downtown campus. UTSA has classroom space, offices, museums, and centers downtown. Students take courses at both campuses during the semester. On gameday, they offer city buses that run from campus downtown.

The jury is stil out on all start-ups , us included. Lets see what happens in 5 or 6 years. I dont believe the downtown campus has dorms. And SA has an NFL team, its called the Dallas Cowboys. One thing I notice at the River Walk mall is that you do not see any UTSA merchandise for sale. So they have a ways to go become San Antonio's team as long as the Longhorns are 80 miles up the road.

The reason football mad San Antonio (metro population of 2.2 million) supports the Cowboys is because they do not have a team!! So of course they support the Cowboys. Look at how they supported the Saints after Katrina. SA came within a whisker of landing the Saints until Tagliabue stepped in and stopped the move. If SA had an NFL team they would support it just as feverishly as they do the Cowboys. And now, some of that is being transferred to UTSA as SA's team.

(08-20-2012 03:43 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 12:32 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 12:12 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 11:34 AM)panama Wrote:  It really just depends. I have been to San Antonio many times and the main problem is that the stadium is 12 miles from the campus. This is the same problem with Miami playing in Sun Life. Its very hard to develop a game day atmosphere when your students are a 20 to 30 minutes from the stadium. The Georgia Dome is 4 blocks from the center of GSU's campus and you dont hear many complaints if any. The difference is that it is a football stadium whereas the Metrodome and AstroDome were/are multi purpose facilities. All of the seats and site lines in the Georgia Dome are perfect for football. The Tulane situation I understand as they are a small private school. There is no way they are ever going to have crowds of 50k when their enrollment is maybe a 5th of that. It's not the same situation as say USF at RayJay, where you're talking about a school with an enrollment of nearly 50k with maybe 4 times that many alumni.

San Antonio will not have a problem building a gameday experience at the Dome.

1. San Antonio is are used to going downtown to celebrate. Family comes in and they want to see the Riverwalk. Spurs Win a championship go downtown. Alamobowl, monster truck rallies, major events? go downtown. They are programmed to drive down there any and everything.

1a. The infrastructure is in place for downtown SA. The dome is right next to the entertainment district Tons of parking, hotels, restaurants, entertainment. As a visiting fan (or even an alum), you can arrive downtown on Friday night and not require a car for the weekend.

2. UTSA is not thinking about 30,000 college students, they are thinking about San Antonio 1 Million people. Minneapolis had the Vikings, Atlanta had the the Falcons, and New Orleans had the Saints. SA has craved a team to call their own for years. UTSA is turning that NFL passion towards college football. Their marketing is Our (San Antonio's) team. The marching band is "The Sound of San Antonio". I wouldn't be surprised in 5 years if you see SA street culture adopting the roadrunner logo if they have some winning seasons.

3. It may be 12 Miles from the main campus, but only 1 mile from the downtown campus. UTSA has classroom space, offices, museums, and centers downtown. Students take courses at both campuses during the semester. On gameday, they offer city buses that run from campus downtown.

The jury is stil out on all start-ups , us included. Lets see what happens in 5 or 6 years. I dont believe the downtown campus has dorms. And SA has an NFL team, its called the Dallas Cowboys. One thing I notice at the River Walk mall is that you do not see any UTSA merchandise for sale. So they have a ways to go become San Antonio's team as long as the Longhorns are 80 miles up the road.

The reason football mad San Antonio (metro population of 2.2 million) supports the Cowboys is because they do not have a team!! So of course they support the Cowboys. Look at how they supported the Saints after Katrina. SA came within a whisker of landing the Saints until Tagliabue stepped in and stopped the move. If SA had an NFL team they would support it just as feverishly as they do the Cowboys. And now, some of that is being transferred to UTSA as SA's team.

Like I said TBD. I have spent that last 14 years traveling to South Texas several times a year and I know that they bleed burnt orange. That conversation will take a while.

(08-20-2012 03:51 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 03:43 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 12:32 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 12:12 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  

(08-20-2012 11:34 AM)panama Wrote:  It really just depends. I have been to San Antonio many times and the main problem is that the stadium is 12 miles from the campus. This is the same problem with Miami playing in Sun Life. Its very hard to develop a game day atmosphere when your students are a 20 to 30 minutes from the stadium. The Georgia Dome is 4 blocks from the center of GSU's campus and you dont hear many complaints if any. The difference is that it is a football stadium whereas the Metrodome and AstroDome were/are multi purpose facilities. All of the seats and site lines in the Georgia Dome are perfect for football. The Tulane situation I understand as they are a small private school. There is no way they are ever going to have crowds of 50k when their enrollment is maybe a 5th of that. It's not the same situation as say USF at RayJay, where you're talking about a school with an enrollment of nearly 50k with maybe 4 times that many alumni.

San Antonio will not have a problem building a gameday experience at the Dome.

1. San Antonio is are used to going downtown to celebrate. Family comes in and they want to see the Riverwalk. Spurs Win a championship go downtown. Alamobowl, monster truck rallies, major events? go downtown. They are programmed to drive down there any and everything.

1a. The infrastructure is in place for downtown SA. The dome is right next to the entertainment district Tons of parking, hotels, restaurants, entertainment. As a visiting fan (or even an alum), you can arrive downtown on Friday night and not require a car for the weekend.

2. UTSA is not thinking about 30,000 college students, they are thinking about San Antonio 1 Million people. Minneapolis had the Vikings, Atlanta had the the Falcons, and New Orleans had the Saints. SA has craved a team to call their own for years. UTSA is turning that NFL passion towards college football. Their marketing is Our (San Antonio's) team. The marching band is "The Sound of San Antonio". I wouldn't be surprised in 5 years if you see SA street culture adopting the roadrunner logo if they have some winning seasons.

3. It may be 12 Miles from the main campus, but only 1 mile from the downtown campus. UTSA has classroom space, offices, museums, and centers downtown. Students take courses at both campuses during the semester. On gameday, they offer city buses that run from campus downtown.

The jury is stil out on all start-ups , us included. Lets see what happens in 5 or 6 years. I dont believe the downtown campus has dorms. And SA has an NFL team, its called the Dallas Cowboys. One thing I notice at the River Walk mall is that you do not see any UTSA merchandise for sale. So they have a ways to go become San Antonio's team as long as the Longhorns are 80 miles up the road.

The reason football mad San Antonio (metro population of 2.2 million) supports the Cowboys is because they do not have a team!! So of course they support the Cowboys. Look at how they supported the Saints after Katrina. SA came within a whisker of landing the Saints until Tagliabue stepped in and stopped the move. If SA had an NFL team they would support it just as feverishly as they do the Cowboys. And now, some of that is being transferred to UTSA as SA's team.

Like I said TBD. I have spent that last 14 years traveling to South Texas several times a year and I know that they bleed burnt orange. That conversation will take a while.

And I have spent 8 years living in South Texas, and San Antonio is/was looking for their own team rather than just continuing to support another city's team to a certain extent (I know the Longhorns will always be supported everywhere in TX).

(08-20-2012 03:43 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  The reason football mad San Antonio (metro population of 2.2 million) supports the Cowboys is because they do not have a team!! So of course they support the Cowboys. Look at how they supported the Saints after Katrina. SA came within a whisker of landing the Saints until Tagliabue stepped in and stopped the move. If SA had an NFL team they would support it just as feverishly as they do the Cowboys. And now, some of that is being transferred to UTSA as SA's team.

San Antonio may have the fans for an NFL team, but lacks the infastructure to support one. SA Express News

San Antonio has an illegal immigrant on every corner. And if they do take the time to become a citizen they certainly don't keep the majority of their household earnings here they go straight back to their homeland they fleed from (usually starting after Thanksgiving and they are back after New Years) Been there, lived there, and seen it. It's a minority ran city comprised of a demographic who cherishes more of their heritage and culture and not that of America's. Football only goes so far in these cultures,people, and you can take that to the bank. The positives need to be pointed out but the negatives that surpass those need to be brought up too. Crime, poverty, illegal drugs, and corruption run the town and they prey on the tourism here just like they do in cities like Miami or NOLA. The President and AD are building their resumes to leave for better opportunity and the politicians and criminals are filling their pockets while the getting is good. UT Academic System, Government grant money, and Commuters itching to transfer keep this school afloat. It won't be the football program people. Im sure i will get flack about this and let it be known Im not meaning to be ugly I'm just being realistic. I guess what im getting at is that you can polish a turd all you want but fact of the matter is it's still a turd.

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