(08-15-2012 01:52 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:38 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:36 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  All I know is I want us to play on the west coast so I can go to games.

If UCF gets on the wrong side of the zipper, would Idaho work as well?

Close enough.

Zippers do not allow for the best tv(ie an east west allows split an early and a late)

(08-15-2012 04:18 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(08-15-2012 01:52 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:38 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:36 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  All I know is I want us to play on the west coast so I can go to games.

If UCF gets on the wrong side of the zipper, would Idaho work as well?

Close enough.

Zippers do not allow for the best tv(ie an east west allows split an early and a late)

Why wouldn't zipper divisions allow for an early and late start? It doesn't keep SDSU or BSU from hosting late games.

(08-14-2012 07:01 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Or do we have to wait for TV to dictate them to us sometime before the end of the year?

Not that anyone else cares, but this is important to me because UConn will be in Dallas every other year if UConn & SMU are in the same division. If they're in different divisions, UConn will be here once every twelve years.

Big difference.

Great post, I'm in the same boat. It's exciting to think my team will finally, finally be making trips to texas. But if we expand TOO much and do east/west divisions (basically separate conferences, almost!), they hardly come here at all... That would be very disappointing. Even considering trips to dallas OR houston, it's only once every SIX years!

DEAR BIG EAST: ZIPPER DIVISIONS PLEASE! Everyone wants to hit the west coast, texas, florida. Do it right.

(08-14-2012 07:01 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Or do we have to wait for TV to dictate them to us sometime before the end of the year?

I know every fan, coach, and AD has at least one combo they want to see, where X plays @Y every other year... but weighed against a TV outlet paying 10% or 20% more to dictate the divisions its not worth it.

Outside of a handful of rivalries I don't think it matters much how the divisions fall and anyone who buys the TV contract is probably going to keep those matchups in place anyway.

(08-15-2012 07:46 AM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 07:01 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Or do we have to wait for TV to dictate them to us sometime before the end of the year?

I know every fan, coach, and AD has at least one combo they want to see, where X plays @Y every other year... but weighed against a TV outlet paying 10% or 20% more to dictate the divisions its not worth it.

Outside of a handful of rivalries I don't think it matters much how the divisions fall and anyone who buys the TV contract is probably going to keep those matchups in place anyway.

No doubt TV will have a major influence in regards to divisions...and as noted above, while there are not many real FOOTBALL rivalries in the new big east, odds are, regardless of divisions, 95% of those games will be played every year (i.e. UCF vs USF).

I don't mind a TV Network getting their "first choice" in regards to schedules or even divisional set-up (which could change in 2015 with the addition of 2 new teams), because without that new TV deal...many of these new teams would have never been invited to join the conf (i.e. most were invited because of their TV Market "worth").

9 conferences games is a must when conference movies to 14 teams, an 8 game schedule would hurt the conference. 6-2-1 makes the most sense because you will see every team once every three seasons while playing you closest rivals every year. If you have an 8 game schedule if you have to use geography to protect divisions in a 14 team conference. 9 conferences game mazimizes the value of your best games each season.

(08-15-2012 09:02 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  9 conferences games is a must when conference movies to 14 teams, an 8 game schedule would hurt the conference. 6-2-1 makes the most sense because you will see every team once every three seasons while playing you closest rivals every year. If you have an 8 game schedule if you have to use geography to protect divisions in a 14 team conference. 9 conferences game mazimizes the value of your best games each season.

Agree. You said it much better than I did. Not sure how individual schools feel about that, though, as far as getting home games, balancing the SOS year to year among division teams, etc.

(08-15-2012 09:17 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-15-2012 09:02 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  9 conferences games is a must when conference movies to 14 teams, an 8 game schedule would hurt the conference. 6-2-1 makes the most sense because you will see every team once every three seasons while playing you closest rivals every year. If you have an 8 game schedule if you have to use geography to protect divisions in a 14 team conference. 9 conferences game mazimizes the value of your best games each season.

Agree. You said it much better than I did. Not sure how individual schools feel about that, though, as far as getting home games, balancing the SOS year to year among division teams, etc.

Bottom line, 8 games, 9 games, 6 games, 11 games, 2 divisions, 4 divisions... whatever NBC/ESPN wants to pay for. I, for one, welcome our new TV overlords .

(08-15-2012 07:28 AM)Bull Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 07:01 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Or do we have to wait for TV to dictate them to us sometime before the end of the year?

Not that anyone else cares, but this is important to me because UConn will be in Dallas every other year if UConn & SMU are in the same division. If they're in different divisions, UConn will be here once every twelve years.

Big difference.

Great post, I'm in the same boat. It's exciting to think my team will finally, finally be making trips to texas. But if we expand TOO much and do east/west divisions (basically separate conferences, almost!), they hardly come here at all... That would be very disappointing. Even considering trips to dallas OR houston, it's only once every SIX years!

DEAR BIG EAST: ZIPPER DIVISIONS PLEASE! Everyone wants to hit the west coast, texas, florida. Do it right.

I am for what ever TV tells us will get us the most money.

(08-15-2012 09:50 AM)dantes69 Wrote:  

(08-15-2012 07:28 AM)Bull Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 07:01 PM)UConn-SMU Wrote:  Or do we have to wait for TV to dictate them to us sometime before the end of the year?

Not that anyone else cares, but this is important to me because UConn will be in Dallas every other year if UConn & SMU are in the same division. If they're in different divisions, UConn will be here once every twelve years.

Big difference.

Great post, I'm in the same boat. It's exciting to think my team will finally, finally be making trips to texas. But if we expand TOO much and do east/west divisions (basically separate conferences, almost!), they hardly come here at all... That would be very disappointing. Even considering trips to dallas OR houston, it's only once every SIX years!

DEAR BIG EAST: ZIPPER DIVISIONS PLEASE! Everyone wants to hit the west coast, texas, florida. Do it right.

I am for what ever TV tells us will get us the most money.

TV execs are the ones who told the BE to consider zipper divisions. Previously, when Marinatto was here, we were going strictly east-west.

Alright so the divisions will probably look something like this.

The Bearcat Division
1. Cincinnati
2. Boise State
3. SMU
4. UCF
5. UConn
6. Temple
(7. #14)

The Other Division
1. Louisville
2. SD State
3. Houston
4. USF
5. Rutgers
6. Memphis
(7. Navy)

(08-15-2012 10:01 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Alright so the divisions will probably look something like this.

The Bearcat Division
1. Cincinnati
2. Boise State
3. SMU
4. UCF
5. UConn
6. Temple
(7. #14)

The Other Division
1. Louisville
2. SD State
3. Houston
4. USF
5. Rutgers
6. Memphis
(7. Navy)

I'd say that's reasonable. No way to nail down the exact names in either one yet, but you have the idea about right, I think.

(08-15-2012 07:04 AM)dwalker85 Wrote:  

(08-15-2012 04:18 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(08-15-2012 01:52 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:38 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:36 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  All I know is I want us to play on the west coast so I can go to games.

If UCF gets on the wrong side of the zipper, would Idaho work as well?

Close enough.

Zippers do not allow for the best tv(ie an east west allows split an early and a late)

Why wouldn't zipper divisions allow for an early and late start? It doesn't keep SDSU or BSU from hosting late games.

if sdsu and boise are in the same division then one could always be home, the other always away for a night time spot, it might be more difficult to schedule that way with zippers.

The Big East will go non-geographical... each division will contain one Florida and one Texas school in each conference; so that schools get that yearly access to the recruiting options. As a 12 team conference, the schedule will be 5-3 for 2013 & 2014, which will allow everyone to have played each other in that format. When the conference goes to 14, rounding out NAVY, I suspect they'll go to a 6-2 schedule format, which allows for everyone to play every 3 years. At this point, I doubt the conference wants to go to 9 games and potentially limiting OOC games with other power conferences, thus potentially lowering SOS.

(08-15-2012 10:43 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  The Big East will go non-geographical... each division will contain one Florida and one Texas school in each conference; so that schools get that yearly access to the recruiting options. As a 12 team conference, the schedule will be 5-3 for 2013 & 2014, which will allow everyone to have played each other in that format. When the conference goes to 14, rounding out NAVY, I suspect they'll go to a 6-2 schedule format, which allows for everyone to play every 3 years. At this point, I doubt the conference wants to go to 9 games and potentially limiting OOC games with other power conferences, thus potentially lowering SOS.

But with zippers, 8 games and a 6-2, it actually will have to be a 6-1-1, meaning you'll see most cross-divisional rivals at home only once every 12 years. Small price to pay, IMO.

(08-15-2012 11:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-15-2012 10:43 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  The Big East will go non-geographical... each division will contain one Florida and one Texas school in each conference; so that schools get that yearly access to the recruiting options. As a 12 team conference, the schedule will be 5-3 for 2013 & 2014, which will allow everyone to have played each other in that format. When the conference goes to 14, rounding out NAVY, I suspect they'll go to a 6-2 schedule format, which allows for everyone to play every 3 years. At this point, I doubt the conference wants to go to 9 games and potentially limiting OOC games with other power conferences, thus potentially lowering SOS.

But with zippers, 8 games and a 6-2, it actually will have to be a 6-1-1, meaning you'll see most cross-divisional rivals at home only once every 12 years. Small price to pay, IMO.

I didn't say they'd use zippers though... I just said divisional layout would include one of each, I didn't say they'd protect a rivalry game for the texas or florida schools - I'm not convinced they'll do that initially, or how much of a rivalry those schools even have at present.

Non Georgraphical
I still think you have to do partial geography when you go to 14. Keep the the northeastern schools together and the western schools together and split everone in the middle up. I really hope the league is smart enough to realize that 9 conference games is whole lot better than 8.

One:
Navy
Uconn
Temple
Rutgers
UCF
Houston
Cincinnati

Two:
SDSU
Louisville
Memphis
SMU
Boise State
USF
(Western Team).

(08-15-2012 10:01 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Alright so the divisions will probably look something like this.

The Bearcat Division
1. Cincinnati
2. Boise State
3. SMU
4. UCF
5. UConn
6. Temple
(7. #14)

The Other Division
1. Louisville
2. SD State
3. Houston
4. USF
5. Rutgers
6. Memphis
(7. Navy)

'Bearcat' and 'Other' division... Good one. TOO funny!

Division A
1. Memphis
2. Louisville
3. Cincinnati
4. SMU
5. USF
6. SDSU
7. ???

Division B
1. UConn
2. Rutgers
3. Temple
4. Houston
5. UCF
6. Boise St
7. Navy

Book it. Or not. Basically put Memphis, Louisville, and Cincinnati in a division with a FL, TX, and 2 western schools & UConn, Rutgers, and Temple together plus the other FL, TX, and western schools. This would allow for more rivalry games and since we are mostly full of new match ups, I think maximizing the chance for rivalry games is crucial.

(08-15-2012 12:28 PM)IceJus10 Wrote:  

(08-15-2012 11:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-15-2012 10:43 AM)IceJus10 Wrote:  The Big East will go non-geographical... each division will contain one Florida and one Texas school in each conference; so that schools get that yearly access to the recruiting options. As a 12 team conference, the schedule will be 5-3 for 2013 & 2014, which will allow everyone to have played each other in that format. When the conference goes to 14, rounding out NAVY, I suspect they'll go to a 6-2 schedule format, which allows for everyone to play every 3 years. At this point, I doubt the conference wants to go to 9 games and potentially limiting OOC games with other power conferences, thus potentially lowering SOS.

But with zippers, 8 games and a 6-2, it actually will have to be a 6-1-1, meaning you'll see most cross-divisional rivals at home only once every 12 years. Small price to pay, IMO.

I didn't say they'd use zippers though... I just said divisional layout would include one of each, I didn't say they'd protect a rivalry game for the texas or florida schools - I'm not convinced they'll do that initially, or how much of a rivalry those schools even have at present.

I know. That's my opinion. We're being guided by TV guys now, and I'm pretty sure that's the way they will go. Unless they decide to go to 16 and add 3 more western schools.