(08-17-2012 01:47 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-17-2012 01:30 PM)ringmaster Wrote:  I just listened to the Roy Philpott show on 104.9 where he had Tim Bourett, the Clemson SID and ND grad, on. Bourett wrote a column in the Orange or Orange and White experience apparently about why Notre Dame would be a good fit in the ACC. Bourett went through the standard reasons, academics, etc. and then said if it happened it might start with a few games per year versus the ACC. The tone Philpott struck about ND was that he was in favor of it, that it could mean a lot of money on the ESPN deal by enabling them to renegotiate and great publicity for the conference. It really seemed like to me that they are making a PR push to create a positive environment for Notre Dame's entry into the conference. I just really got that feeling listening to it.

EDIT: And if you couple this with Weaver alluding to it on the VT show I think it builds the case the ACC is beginning to get the public ready for a potential ND announcement soon.

LOL. ND is not coming to the ACC.

It just doesnt make any sense for ND who values its independence so much. It just wont happen. Not anytime soon anyway.

I never said as a full member. Try to keep up with the news (6 games, etc) before you spout off at the mouth.

I'll predict ND joins the ACC for sports other than football with a 6 game scheduling agreement and the ACC has a grant of rights for the 14 current members until the end of the TV contract.

Edit : Also, the ACC won't add a 16th school. They're trying to make a 15 team basketball schedule work.

(08-17-2012 02:38 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  I'll predict ND joins the ACC for sports other than football with a 6 game scheduling agreement and the ACC has a grant of rights for the 14 current members until the end of the TV contract.

Edit : Also, the ACC won't add a 16th school. They're trying to make a 15 team basketball schedule work.

I agree with the first part of your statement. Not sure about the grant of rights or not adding a 16th (Georgetown, my guess).

(08-17-2012 02:43 PM)ringmaster Wrote:  

(08-17-2012 02:38 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  I'll predict ND joins the ACC for sports other than football with a 6 game scheduling agreement and the ACC has a grant of rights for the 14 current members until the end of the TV contract.

Edit : Also, the ACC won't add a 16th school. They're trying to make a 15 team basketball schedule work.

I agree with the first part of your statement. Not sure about the grant of rights or not adding a 16th (Georgetown, my guess).

I'll predict that if ND gets partial membership at least 2 other schools will get the same deal or will announce their departure. I'm assuming you are referring to an open ended partial membership and not a transitional membership.

It may be a split vote but I don't think there would be enough votes for approval.

(08-17-2012 02:57 PM)Wolfman Wrote:  

(08-17-2012 02:43 PM)ringmaster Wrote:  

(08-17-2012 02:38 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  I'll predict ND joins the ACC for sports other than football with a 6 game scheduling agreement and the ACC has a grant of rights for the 14 current members until the end of the TV contract.

Edit : Also, the ACC won't add a 16th school. They're trying to make a 15 team basketball schedule work.

I agree with the first part of your statement. Not sure about the grant of rights or not adding a 16th (Georgetown, my guess).

I'll predict that if ND gets partial membership at least 2 other schools will get the same deal or will announce their departure. I'm assuming you are referring to an open ended partial membership and not a transitional membership.

It may be a split vote but I don't think there would be enough votes for approval.

Yes, open ended meaning at the end of the TV contract (grant of rights) Miami and FSU could get the same deal.

(08-17-2012 02:43 PM)ringmaster Wrote:  

(08-17-2012 02:38 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  I'll predict ND joins the ACC for sports other than football with a 6 game scheduling agreement and the ACC has a grant of rights for the 14 current members until the end of the TV contract.

Edit : Also, the ACC won't add a 16th school. They're trying to make a 15 team basketball schedule work.

I agree with the first part of your statement. Not sure about the grant of rights or not adding a 16th (Georgetown, my guess).

Let me resurrect a dead horse just so I can beat it some more...

WHY would the ACC agree to partial membership for Notre Dame UNLESS it was temporary, with full membership at some fixed date?

Given that the ultimate goal is full membership for Notre Dame, WHY would the ACC invite a team like Georgetown who doesn't have a football team?

There have been talks, for sure.

I just don't see a possible framework for a deal.

Full membership will not be the ultimate deal from ND's standpoint.

At the end, I think that ND will renew with NBC, stay in the Big East and be part of a bigger at large pool for the Orange Bowl.

(08-17-2012 03:15 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-17-2012 02:43 PM)ringmaster Wrote:  

(08-17-2012 02:38 PM)ChrisLords Wrote:  I'll predict ND joins the ACC for sports other than football with a 6 game scheduling agreement and the ACC has a grant of rights for the 14 current members until the end of the TV contract.

Edit : Also, the ACC won't add a 16th school. They're trying to make a 15 team basketball schedule work.

I agree with the first part of your statement. Not sure about the grant of rights or not adding a 16th (Georgetown, my guess).

Let me resurrect a dead horse just so I can beat it some more...

WHY would the ACC agree to partial membership for Notre Dame UNLESS it was temporary, with full membership at some fixed date?

Given that the ultimate goal is full membership for Notre Dame, WHY would the ACC invite a team like Georgetown who doesn't have a football team?

Because, if we realize at some point in the negotiations that ND is not going to become a full member, AND we would still like to be able to renegotiate our sorry contract by being able to get 6 games from ND then we might go this direction. As I said before, I think it would be telling if it's UCONN/Louisville or G'Town as the 16th as to what the ACC believes ND is willing to do in the long term. Terry I'm sure, would tell you if ND comes for X number of games then it will be a non-football 16th member that accompanies them. I, of course, still hold out meager hope for full membership but I believe that ship has sailed.

(08-17-2012 04:13 PM)TerryD Wrote:  There have been talks, for sure.

I just don't see a possible framework for a deal.

Full membership will not be the ultimate deal from ND's standpoint.

At the end, I think that ND will renew with NBC, stay in the Big East and be part of a bigger at large pool for the Orange Bowl.

That's what I'm thinking as well.

Well some of the WVU folks are saying that ND tried to get three BE basketball members into the ACC with them as a package. Then they said that ESPN was really pushing it to destroy BE basketball.

Of course you have to keep in mind that WVU fans are obsessed with the destruction of the ACC and are convinced of some conspiracy by ESPN and ACC all the time.

(08-17-2012 02:34 PM)ringmaster Wrote:  

(08-17-2012 01:47 PM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-17-2012 01:30 PM)ringmaster Wrote:  I just listened to the Roy Philpott show on 104.9 where he had Tim Bourett, the Clemson SID and ND grad, on. Bourett wrote a column in the Orange or Orange and White experience apparently about why Notre Dame would be a good fit in the ACC. Bourett went through the standard reasons, academics, etc. and then said if it happened it might start with a few games per year versus the ACC. The tone Philpott struck about ND was that he was in favor of it, that it could mean a lot of money on the ESPN deal by enabling them to renegotiate and great publicity for the conference. It really seemed like to me that they are making a PR push to create a positive environment for Notre Dame's entry into the conference. I just really got that feeling listening to it.

EDIT: And if you couple this with Weaver alluding to it on the VT show I think it builds the case the ACC is beginning to get the public ready for a potential ND announcement soon.

LOL. ND is not coming to the ACC.

It just doesnt make any sense for ND who values its independence so much. It just wont happen. Not anytime soon anyway.

I never said as a full member. Try to keep up with the news (6 games, etc) before you spout off at the mouth.

Just calm down a little, dude. Wasnt trying to devalue your opinion or anything. But I just dont see ND joining the Acc with even 6 games as a partial member. I cant see ND, who values their independence so much wanting to have 6 of their games already spoken for every single season, even if several of their rivals or semi rivals are playing in the Acc. The Acc doesnt need ND as much as the BE does, and will not settle for less than 6 games, if that is indeed the story. ND, with so many options, will not bend either.

Absolutely NO partial membership without an agreement to become a full member. The ACC does not need Notre Dame to be a successful conference. If Notre Dame treasures its football independence then let it be so. If not, they need to really get used to playing the likes of SMU/UCF and the other former conference usa teams in all other sports and not having any solid bowl tie ins or espn exposure for their olympic sports. The Big East is not what it used to be and their other sports are going to reflect this down the road when top basketball/baseball/soccer/lacrosse recruits are making school choices.

As I have said many, many times before, Notre Dame is worthless to us as a partial member....even with a best case scenario of a 6 game per year agreement in football. Outside of VT and maybe Miami (depending on how crippled they are after the NCAA gets through with them) the teams that would provide the best TV draw are locked out of the game because of the 9 game conference slate and their SEC OOC rival game.

I've both in person and through a multitude of emails to the PTB at Clemson that if the ACC is dumb enough to allow ND to join as a partial member then we need to immediately seek partial membership status as well. From the responses I am getting I'm not alone by any means in holding that opinion.

(08-17-2012 04:43 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Well some of the WVU folks are saying that ND tried to get three BE basketball members into the ACC with them as a package. Then they said that ESPN was really pushing it to destroy BE basketball.

Of course you have to keep in mind that WVU fans are obsessed with the destruction of the ACC and are convinced of some conspiracy by ESPN and ACC all the time.

Yes, sir they are... it is amazing how the "the dude" and Tuxedo Yoda (same guy) have become a cult like hero to them. He is like their JoePa...
Assume anything that you hear from that fan base is pure fiction.

(08-17-2012 06:54 PM)catdaddy_2402 Wrote:  As I have said many, many times before, Notre Dame is worthless to us as a partial member....even with a best case scenario of a 6 game per year agreement in football. Outside of VT and maybe Miami (depending on how crippled they are after the NCAA gets through with them) the teams that would provide the best TV draw are locked out of the game because of the 9 game conference slate and their SEC OOC rival game.

I've both in person and through a multitude of emails to the PTB at Clemson that if the ACC is dumb enough to allow ND to join as a partial member then we need to immediately seek partial membership status as well. From the responses I am getting I'm not alone by any means in holding that opinion.

Very few schools could be a more successful independent than a member of a conference. Notre Dame, Texas, Ohio State, Michigan. Clemson couldn't make more money alone. You don't have anywhere close to a big enough fan base to carry a big-time TV deal.

I don't even think Michigan, and OSU are big enough nationally to do it. As a matter of a fact, not even sure Texas is either. For it to work, you gotta have a National following. Sure those schools have a tremendous following in their state and even regionally. But how many people in Cali, Florida, and New York care about the Longhorns. Other than Academies, I gotta say schools that have some kind of religious affiliation are the closest to having a true national fan base.

For the Michigans, Texas's, OSU's of the world to thrive in the Indy world, we'd have to see numerous schools go Indy with them. Its one thing to get a decent TV deal, its another thing trying to schedule 12 games.

(08-17-2012 08:44 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I don't even think Michigan, and OSU are big enough nationally to do it. As a matter of a fact, not even sure Texas is either. For it to work, you gotta have a National following. Sure those schools have a tremendous following in their state and even regionally. But how many people in Cali, Florida, and New York care about the Longhorns. Other than Academies, I gotta say schools that have some kind of religious affiliation are the closest to having a true national fan base.

For the Michigans, Texas's, OSU's of the world to thrive in the Indy world, we'd have to see numerous schools go Indy with them. Its one thing to get a decent TV deal, its another thing trying to schedule 12 games.

That's a good point. Guess that's why it's Notre Dame that's been doing it and BYU that's giving it a go and the LHN is DOA.

(08-17-2012 09:15 PM)ringmaster Wrote:  

(08-17-2012 08:44 PM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  I don't even think Michigan, and OSU are big enough nationally to do it. As a matter of a fact, not even sure Texas is either. For it to work, you gotta have a National following. Sure those schools have a tremendous following in their state and even regionally. But how many people in Cali, Florida, and New York care about the Longhorns. Other than Academies, I gotta say schools that have some kind of religious affiliation are the closest to having a true national fan base.

For the Michigans, Texas's, OSU's of the world to thrive in the Indy world, we'd have to see numerous schools go Indy with them. Its one thing to get a decent TV deal, its another thing trying to schedule 12 games.

That's a good point. Guess that's why it's Notre Dame that's been doing it and BYU that's giving it a go and the LHN is DOA.

Agree with all the above and even Notre Dame and "cough" BYU won’t be able to do it much longer.

TRUST ME... the ACC will not allow the Irish to become partial members. The only way that would happen at all is if there was a definite year/date for them to join as full members. (ie); their NBC contract to run out.

Not sayin that will happen, just sayin it is the only way the ACC will take them as partial members. If ND joined the ACC in a way that looked anything like the Big East / ND deal then the Clemson’s and FSU's of the ACC would blow such a gasket that it would make Honus "the dude" Sneed / Tuxedo Yoda literally start having blogger / wet dreams about Big12 raiding the ACC actually have legs.

Notre Dame and ACC perfect fit
http://www.southernpigskin.com/sec/view/...erfect-fit

This article is old as it mentions the now defunct Pac 12/Big 10 scheduling agreement but it does bring up a good point that is why were hearing so much about ND/ACC recently. ND needs to act while the ACC is down and has a dire need to do any thing to beef up our TV contract. Why, because if the ACC is ever going to agree to partial conference membership for ND, it is now. If ND waits until the ACC recovers, they likely won't be able to get partial membership. It'll be back to the traditional all or nothing stance.

I think it's going to happen.

I'd prefer to struggle as an independent than allow this conference to kill off our football program by continually making basketball centric decisions in a football centric world.

The saddest thing is the fact that so many of you are having wet dreams at night about the idea of Notre Dame being a partial member when the facts are in men's hoops, the secondary by a large margin money sport, they are essentially Clemson with a much better hype machine, and they are a complete non-factor in the ACC's third money sport by an even larger margin than hoops to football...baseball.

So let's review here:

1. Football provides 80% of ACC television revenue...and as a partial member the very best they are going to bring to the table is 3 games a year that will contribute towards that payout. That's in the very best case scenario....a 6 game a year slate, which anybody with half a brain knows we have a better chance of Duke contending for the last two BCS titles and getting the 1 seed in the first two playoffs. So now we are looking at a one or two game a year scenario. Exactly how much money do you think we are going to make off of that?

2. In basketball, 20% of the ACC television revenue, they are pretty much Clemson. They'll annually be in a death struggle for the 4th/5th/6th slot in the good years, and the rest be fighting to stay above 12th/13th. How much money do you think THAT is going to bring to the plate? There is a reason that Notre Dame is an independent in football and a member of a conference in everything else.

3. The only sports they will bring something to the table simply do not matter.

4. If we allow them to join as a partial member then we throw away the only GD thing this conference has ever got right.....every member shares the same level of commitment to the conference as a whole. Hybrid conferences are destined to fail because they are a house built upon a foundation of sand. If we go the hybrid route we will be like the Big East before this horrendous TV contract runs it's course....we will be fractured, we will be weakened, and we will be picked apart like the $5 DVD bin at Walmart.

Stand firm and stay the course. Full membership or else enjoy the new Big East.