(08-14-2012 08:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 08:15 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Curious, if a market doesn't have this cable company/channel and that market is one of the bigger basketball powers in the conference, how do you get over that hurdle?

You have to deal with that in the negotiations. The issue is mostly restricted to Comcast. IF our deal is with NBC, for example, then it's really no issue, b/c most games will be on NBC Sports, which is in more homes than any sports channel besides ESPN, and usually on the same access tier as ESPN.

The best games will be aired on the NBC over-the-air flagship station, Tier 2 will likely be all NBC Sports, and Tier 3, which may or may not be included in any deal, will likely be farmed out to Regional Sports Networks to air in the appropriate regions. And if Tier 3 rights are left to the individual schools, then it is up to each school to set up its own deal with RSNs.

But in football, Tier 3 is typically only the worst FB game, say the FCS game you might have, and in BB, it may be the worst few games, maybe 3 to 5, at most. And the only people with any issue would be those fans who don't live in the region where their school is located.

So if we have Insight Cable, carry NBC Sports, and then have current contract with local ABC affiliate for the tier 3 games already lined up...we're good to go even if we are going with some kind of Comcast package including the RSNs available as said in the OP.....so scratching my head again...whats the point in those channels available again? For the population outside of said tv market but within the area.....such as being a Reds fan in Louisville and watching Fox Sports Ohio for their games? If Comcast and Fox aren't in agreement in your area, does that mean your "Fox Sports Ohio" is now soon to be coming off of your lineup?

Sidenote, as much talk as we've had on this board for the last few years about all angles in tv, I still forget some of it and need to be refreshed.

Also, Insight being owned by Time Warner now is involved in goofy negotiations with local channels that are being blacked out for a period of time to renegotiate. Additionally they decided to take NFL channel and Red Zone channel off our lineup.....still waiting to see the adjustment down in price per month for that change.

(08-14-2012 05:04 PM)mattsarz Wrote:  Many of you missed the point. Then again I wasn't completely clear. 24 hours in a day. Even less than for carrying football and basketball games. They have to go somewhere after NBC and NBCSN

The point wasn't CSN being your national network, but picking up some content on a regional level. YES, CSS IS GODAWFUL, but its run on the shoetip of shoestring budgets. Most of the Comcast Sportsnet RSNs are not.

If anything, its a great place to show replays of Big East content.

I get the Tier 3 possibilities for football and men's basketball. But what about all the other sports? Is Comcast/CSN/CSS the alternative to a Big East Network? Might we see Big East women's volleyball or college baseball on CSN?

(08-15-2012 05:57 AM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 08:21 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 08:15 PM)dgrace4cards Wrote:  Curious, if a market doesn't have this cable company/channel and that market is one of the bigger basketball powers in the conference, how do you get over that hurdle?

You have to deal with that in the negotiations. The issue is mostly restricted to Comcast. IF our deal is with NBC, for example, then it's really no issue, b/c most games will be on NBC Sports, which is in more homes than any sports channel besides ESPN, and usually on the same access tier as ESPN.

The best games will be aired on the NBC over-the-air flagship station, Tier 2 will likely be all NBC Sports, and Tier 3, which may or may not be included in any deal, will likely be farmed out to Regional Sports Networks to air in the appropriate regions. And if Tier 3 rights are left to the individual schools, then it is up to each school to set up its own deal with RSNs.

But in football, Tier 3 is typically only the worst FB game, say the FCS game you might have, and in BB, it may be the worst few games, maybe 3 to 5, at most. And the only people with any issue would be those fans who don't live in the region where their school is located.

So if we have Insight Cable, carry NBC Sports, and then have current contract with local ABC affiliate for the tier 3 games already lined up...we're good to go even if we are going with some kind of Comcast package including the RSNs available as said in the OP.....so scratching my head again...whats the point in those channels available again? For the population outside of said tv market but within the area.....such as being a Reds fan in Louisville and watching Fox Sports Ohio for their games? If Comcast and Fox aren't in agreement in your area, does that mean your "Fox Sports Ohio" is now soon to be coming off of your lineup?

Sidenote, as much talk as we've had on this board for the last few years about all angles in tv, I still forget some of it and need to be refreshed.

Also, Insight being owned by Time Warner now is involved in goofy negotiations with local channels that are being blacked out for a period of time to renegotiate. Additionally they decided to take NFL channel and Red Zone channel off our lineup.....still waiting to see the adjustment down in price per month for that change.

Well, I think there are so many permutations in local areas that it would be hard for anybody to talk generally about those specific issues. Certainly not me. Maybe somebody in the business can explain this better. All I can tell you is I think that signing up with NBC is not going to hurt accessibility in any serious way, from what exists today.

(08-15-2012 07:46 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 05:04 PM)mattsarz Wrote:  Many of you missed the point. Then again I wasn't completely clear. 24 hours in a day. Even less than for carrying football and basketball games. They have to go somewhere after NBC and NBCSN

The point wasn't CSN being your national network, but picking up some content on a regional level. YES, CSS IS GODAWFUL, but its run on the shoetip of shoestring budgets. Most of the Comcast Sportsnet RSNs are not.

If anything, its a great place to show replays of Big East content.

I get the Tier 3 possibilities for football and men's basketball. But what about all the other sports? Is Comcast/CSN/CSS the alternative to a Big East Network? Might we see Big East women's volleyball or college baseball on CSN?

No offense to fans of the other sports...but the bottom line is...Tier III or promise to carry volleyball matches on TV will be soooooo far down the list of priorities (oh, the Big East will certainly boast any and all coverage that these non-revenue sports might be given in the new tv deal), FOOTBALL is clearly #1...with MENS BASKETBALL so cleary #2 priority and above all the rest non-revenue COMBINED.