I heard Jack Swarbrick on Bill King's show on SiriusXM College Sports today. Bill asked him about the ongoing negotiations with the Orange Bowl. Swarbrick said that Notre Dame will be part of a pool (which we already knew) but that the Big 12, Big Ten, and SEC are the three other conferences in the pool discussion. No mention of the Big East. Looks like we may be hosed here, folks. If we aren't a part of the postseason arrangement and other conferences have multiple contracts, I will be absolutely livid.

Unfortunately, in January I predicted somethign like this could happen.

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=546020

http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=555...pid7567538

We don't want this anyhow. The ACC has the deal to take 50% of the profits from the bowl. I'm guessing the OB isn't working for free so that'll mean less than 1/2 for us if we did. Best bet to take our own bowl.

I'll be surprised as well if we are included. I have confidence in getting solid TV cash, but we are going to get the shaft with bowls and it likely will hurt long-term recruiting if nothing changes on that front.

Someone again tell me why the OBE, BE and NBE all keep letting ND tag along......

I know it is likely due to the draw and prestige of their other sports but dang.....

Well sit back and let the 2 new power brokers in the Big East begin their quest for Bwol representation.
It if not expect a bowl to be created that wil have Fed EX and more sponsors that will out pay the Orange Bowl.

(08-14-2012 02:58 PM)Bearcat T Wrote:  Well sit back and let the 2 new power brokers in the Big East begin their quest for Bwol representation.
It if not expect a bowl to be created that wil have Fed EX and more sponsors that will out pay the Orange Bowl.

^^^^^^^
This!

Were in great hands now!

(08-14-2012 02:47 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  We don't want this anyhow. The ACC has the deal to take 50% of the profits from the bowl. I'm guessing the OB isn't working for free so that'll mean less than 1/2 for us if we did. Best bet to take our own bowl.

Technically (I use the word extremely loosely b/c the bowls are a scam), the Orange Bowl is registered as a 501©3 non profit organization.

He can keep it. We need to start our own bowls the OB will continue o be an afterthought as long as the ACC is attached to it.

(08-14-2012 03:05 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  He can keep it. We need to start our own bowls the OB will continue o be an afterthought as long as the ACC is attached to it.

Well said. Time now Fed Ex and other corporate sponsors to step up.

(08-14-2012 03:00 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 02:58 PM)Bearcat T Wrote:  Well sit back and let the 2 new power brokers in the Big East begin their quest for Bwol representation.
It if not expect a bowl to be created that wil have Fed EX and more sponsors that will out pay the Orange Bowl.

^^^^^^^
This!

Were in great hands now!

I'd wait before flipping out, Swarprick isn't the biggest fish in the water and at the end of the day it may not be up to him or the ACC who their opponent is.

(08-14-2012 03:14 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 03:00 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 02:58 PM)Bearcat T Wrote:  Well sit back and let the 2 new power brokers in the Big East begin their quest for Bwol representation.
It if not expect a bowl to be created that wil have Fed EX and more sponsors that will out pay the Orange Bowl.

^^^^^^^
This!

Were in great hands now!

If the BCS Bowls continue to pay like they have, I doubt we will have a payout anywhere near the Orange Bowl. Thats ok. We dont have to match that. We just need to be the highest paying bowl outside of the BCS. Currently thats the Cap-One with a payout of about 4.25 million per team.

Being the highest paid bowl outside of the BCS would allow us to have the first pick after the BCS has filled its slots. That pick will almost always be similar in quality to the Orange Bowl (who will essentially be one of the last 3 BCS Bowl slots filled every year). That will give us a quality game that will be as good or better than the Orange Bowl most years.

Also, keep in mind---in years where the Big East champ is unbeaten--that champ is likely in the playoff. In years where the Big East champ has 1-loss, that team is in the BCS with a slight chance at the playoff. In years where the BE champ has two losses, there is still a chance our champ can make the BCS game depending on how the college landscape looks that year. So, I'd say at least half the time we are looking at a BCS game for our champ.

So essentially, we are just looking for an anchor bowl that can serve as a respectable certain landing spot for the BE champ in the years where the team doesnt make the playoffs or BCS. In the years our champ makes the BCS, the bowl will also serve a great destination for another bowl eligible team from our conference.

(08-14-2012 03:57 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 03:14 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 03:00 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 02:58 PM)Bearcat T Wrote:  Well sit back and let the 2 new power brokers in the Big East begin their quest for Bwol representation.
It if not expect a bowl to be created that wil have Fed EX and more sponsors that will out pay the Orange Bowl.

^^^^^^^
This!

Were in great hands now!

If the BCS Bowls continue to pay like they have, I doubt we will have a payout anywhere near the Orange Bowl. Thats ok. We dont have to match that. We just need to be the highest paying bowl outside of the BCS. Currently thats the Cap-One with a payout of about 4.25 million per team.

Being the highest paid bowl outside of the BCS would allow us to have the first pick after the BCS has filled its slots. That pick will almost always be similar in quality to the Orange Bowl (who will essentially be one of the last 3 BCS Bowl slots filled every year). That will give us a quality game that will be as good or better than the Orange Bowl most years.

Also, keep in mind---in years where the Big East champ is unbeaten--that champ is likely in the playoff. In years where the Big East champ has 1-loss, that team is in the BCS with a slight chance at the playoff. In years where the BE champ has two losses, there is still a chance our champ can make the BCS game depending on how the college landscape looks that year. So, I'd say at least half the time we are looking at a BCS game for our champ.

So essentially, we are just looking for an anchor bowl that can serve as a respectable certain landing spot for the BE champ in the years where the team doesnt make the playoffs or BCS. In the years our champ makes the BCS, the bowl will also serve a great destination for another bowl eligible team from our conference.

Good points. Anybody who thinks we will get a contract bowl guaranteed will likely be disappointed. You can't get one if the bowls don't cooperate. But we have the best in the TV negotiating business on our side now, so I'm confident we'll get the best deal available to us.

Also, keep in mind that the TV deal represents much more money than the difference between a guaranteed seat in the BCS, and an earned one, boils down to.

(08-14-2012 02:47 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  We don't want this anyhow. The ACC has the deal to take 50% of the profits from the bowl. I'm guessing the OB isn't working for free so that'll mean less than 1/2 for us if we did. Best bet to take our own bowl.

agree

and the ACC can act all cool but reality time: Their champ will be playing a Big 4 #2 or #3 so they are in same boat as us...they just dont want to admit it.

If they were smart they would arrange ACC #1 vs Big East #1 and even if its not same as SEC/Big12 or Big10/Pac12....it at least gives the illusion of "big boy". Nice job ACC...you would rather play a #2 or 3. Good luck with that.

(08-14-2012 09:55 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 02:47 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  We don't want this anyhow. The ACC has the deal to take 50% of the profits from the bowl. I'm guessing the OB isn't working for free so that'll mean less than 1/2 for us if we did. Best bet to take our own bowl.

agree

and the ACC can act all cool but reality time: Their champ will be playing a Big 4 #2 or #3 so they are in same boat as us...they just dont want to admit it.

If they were smart they would arrange ACC #1 vs Big East #1 and even if its not same as SEC/Big12 or Big10/Pac12....it at least gives the illusion of "big boy". Nice job ACC...you would rather play a #2 or 3. Good luck with that.

I'm guessing that the Orange Bowl is negotiating for Champions Bowl or Rose Bowl refugees--conference champions who don't make the semifinal and don't have their contract bowl. So it would be ACC Champ vs Big champ, or ACC Champ vs XII champ, or ACC Champ vs Notre Dame. If Notre Dame doesn't get 9 wins, and there are no "refugees", then Orange Bowl would pick an at-large team from the SEC/B1G/XII.

And major conference champs have been playing conference runners-up in bowls forever. Before the BCS, the Orange, Sugar and Cotton bowls had to pick either an independent or a conference runner-up.

So yeah, they'd rather play a Wisconsin (would have been a refugee this year if the Rose was a semifinal) or a Stanford or a Michigan State or a Georgia than a Boise State. This should not be news by this point.

(08-14-2012 09:55 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 02:47 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  We don't want this anyhow. The ACC has the deal to take 50% of the profits from the bowl. I'm guessing the OB isn't working for free so that'll mean less than 1/2 for us if we did. Best bet to take our own bowl.

agree

and the ACC can act all cool but reality time: Their champ will be playing a Big 4 #2 or #3 so they are in same boat as us...they just dont want to admit it.

If they were smart they would arrange ACC #1 vs Big East #1 and even if its not same as SEC/Big12 or Big10/Pac12....it at least gives the illusion of "big boy". Nice job ACC...you would rather play a #2 or 3. Good luck with that.

I'm guessing that the Orange Bowl is negotiating for Champions Bowl or Rose Bowl refugees--conference champions who don't make the semifinal and don't have their contract bowl. So it would be ACC Champ vs Big champ, or ACC Champ vs XII champ, or ACC Champ vs Notre Dame. If Notre Dame doesn't get 9 wins, and there are no "refugees", then Orange Bowl would pick an at-large team from the SEC/B1G/XII.

And major conference champs have been playing conference runners-up in bowls forever. Before the BCS, the Orange, Sugar and Cotton bowls had to pick either an independent or a conference runner-up.

So yeah, they'd rather play a Wisconsin (would have been a refugee this year if the Rose was a semifinal) or a Stanford or a Michigan State or a Georgia than a Boise State. This should not be news by this point.

(08-14-2012 09:55 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 02:47 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  We don't want this anyhow. The ACC has the deal to take 50% of the profits from the bowl. I'm guessing the OB isn't working for free so that'll mean less than 1/2 for us if we did. Best bet to take our own bowl.

agree

and the ACC can act all cool but reality time: Their champ will be playing a Big 4 #2 or #3 so they are in same boat as us...they just dont want to admit it.

If they were smart they would arrange ACC #1 vs Big East #1 and even if its not same as SEC/Big12 or Big10/Pac12....it at least gives the illusion of "big boy". Nice job ACC...you would rather play a #2 or 3. Good luck with that.

I'm guessing that the Orange Bowl is negotiating for Champions Bowl or Rose Bowl refugees--conference champions who don't make the semifinal and don't have their contract bowl. So it would be ACC Champ vs Big champ, or ACC Champ vs XII champ, or ACC Champ vs Notre Dame. If Notre Dame doesn't get 9 wins, and there are no "refugees", then Orange Bowl would pick an at-large team from the SEC/B1G/XII.

And major conference champs have been playing conference runners-up in bowls forever. Before the BCS, the Orange, Sugar and Cotton bowls had to pick either an independent or a conference runner-up.

So yeah, they'd rather play a Wisconsin (would have been a refugee this year if the Rose was a semifinal) or a Stanford or a Michigan State or a Georgia than a Boise State. This should not be news by this point.

(08-14-2012 10:06 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 09:55 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 02:47 PM)jaredf29 Wrote:  We don't want this anyhow. The ACC has the deal to take 50% of the profits from the bowl. I'm guessing the OB isn't working for free so that'll mean less than 1/2 for us if we did. Best bet to take our own bowl.

agree

and the ACC can act all cool but reality time: Their champ will be playing a Big 4 #2 or #3 so they are in same boat as us...they just dont want to admit it.

If they were smart they would arrange ACC #1 vs Big East #1 and even if its not same as SEC/Big12 or Big10/Pac12....it at least gives the illusion of "big boy". Nice job ACC...you would rather play a #2 or 3. Good luck with that.

I'm guessing that the Orange Bowl is negotiating for Champions Bowl or Rose Bowl refugees--conference champions who don't make the semifinal and don't have their contract bowl. So it would be ACC Champ vs Big champ, or ACC Champ vs XII champ, or ACC Champ vs Notre Dame. If Notre Dame doesn't get 9 wins, and there are no "refugees", then Orange Bowl would pick an at-large team from the SEC/B1G/XII.

And major conference champs have been playing conference runners-up in bowls forever. Before the BCS, the Orange, Sugar and Cotton bowls had to pick either an independent or a conference runner-up.

So yeah, they'd rather play a Wisconsin (would have been a refugee this year if the Rose was a semifinal) or a Stanford or a Michigan State or a Georgia than a Boise State. This should not be news by this point.

Not news at all...we all called this months ago....just recent announement of the "trio" solidified what we already figured. I was pointing out how lame they look.

The best situation for the BE right now is to start its own bowl for our champ or runner-up if the champ is in the playoff. We will do a pool too just like the Orange and pick the best possible opponent. It won't be any different than what the Orange Bowl is doing. The only thing right now we just need a bowl and sponsors to step it up so the payout is on par with whatever Orange Bowl is paying out.

Worst thing is to settle as one of the candidates in that Orange Bowl pool.