(08-14-2012 10:13 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  The best situation for the BE right now is to start its own bowl for our champ or runner-up if the champ is in the playoff. We will do a pool too just like the Orange and pick the best possible opponent. It won't be any different than what the Orange Bowl is doing. The only thing right now we just need a bowl and sponsors to step it up so the payout is on par with whatever Orange Bowl is paying out.

Worst thing is to settle as one of the candidates in that Orange Bowl pool.

Spot on SF

Notre Dame sitting fine while the Big East sits on the sidelines. That is what Notre Dame does for us.

(08-14-2012 10:09 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Not news at all...we all called this months ago....just recent announement of the "trio" solidified what we already figured. I was pointing out how lame they look.

But it doesn't look lame to anyone but us. Let's say we score an arrangement with the 5 contract-bowl conferences that the Big East Bowl gets first pick after the 6 son-of-BCS bowls. That's pretty good, right?

Would playing the #2 or 3 or 4 from a power conference be "lame" compared to picking from a pool of the MWC and CUSA champs, BYU and an 8-4 Notre Dame? We'd find C-USA fans who say so.

(08-14-2012 10:15 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 10:13 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  The best situation for the BE right now is to start its own bowl for our champ or runner-up if the champ is in the playoff. We will do a pool too just like the Orange and pick the best possible opponent. It won't be any different than what the Orange Bowl is doing. The only thing right now we just need a bowl and sponsors to step it up so the payout is on par with whatever Orange Bowl is paying out.

Worst thing is to settle as one of the candidates in that Orange Bowl pool.

Spot on SF

And what do you do when your champion is playing the 6th team from the ACC, Big 12, Big 10, Pac 12 or the SEC. And you know it wouldlook bad playing the 1st place team from CUSA, the MAC or Sun Belt. Starting our own bowl would not mean much without playing a highly ranked team from a power conference.

(08-14-2012 10:35 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 10:15 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 10:13 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  The best situation for the BE right now is to start its own bowl for our champ or runner-up if the champ is in the playoff. We will do a pool too just like the Orange and pick the best possible opponent. It won't be any different than what the Orange Bowl is doing. The only thing right now we just need a bowl and sponsors to step it up so the payout is on par with whatever Orange Bowl is paying out.

Worst thing is to settle as one of the candidates in that Orange Bowl pool.

Spot on SF

And what do you do when your champion is playing the 6th team from the ACC, Big 12, Big 10, Pac 12 or the SEC. And you know it wouldlook bad playing the 1st place team from CUSA, the MAC or Sun Belt. Starting our own bowl would not mean much without playing a highly ranked team from a power conference.

The way to do that is to get the payout jacked up close to or above OB numbers. And the way to do that is to get the winning network and other sponsors, like FedEx, to get on board.

Not a slam dunk, by any means, but definitely doable.

I never said it was not doable, because it is. But you know we have to have a quality opponent for the image and creditability of the conference! Our place in the bowl system and our strength of schedules are our two biggest issues in football and the 4-team playoff come 2014

(08-14-2012 10:53 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  I never said it was not doable, because it is. But you know we have to have a quality opponent for the image and creditability of the conference! Our place in the bowl system and our strength of schedules are our two biggest issues in football and the 4-team playoff come 2014

I know. The point is, the way to get a quality opponent is to get our own bowl and get the payout up there, to ensure such an opponent. That, or get an OB or FB tie-in, which seems less likely.

Well, where would we have our bowls?

I think we need one on the West Coast; one in Dallas or Houston, and one in Florida. We need warm weather bowl where people want to vacation at also. Its just to cold, the Pin Stripe and Liberty Bowls, but we need these two bowls, also. A bowl in Charlotte would be nice also. So let's add BYU, Fresno and ECU while we are at it.

(08-14-2012 11:04 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  Well, where would we have our bowls?

I think we need one on the West Coast; one in Dallas or Houston, and one in Florida. We need warm weather bowl where people want to vacation at also. Its just to cold, the Pin Stripe and Liberty Bowls, but we need these two bowls, also. A bowl in Charlotte would be nice also. So let's add BYU, Fresno and ECU while we are at it.

Not sure. I think that has to be researched more by the big guns first. Personally, I understand the split bowl thing for geography, but not sure we are strong enough to pull that off. I think we have to create one bowl game, maybe in Texas or Florida or California, but ONE for our champ, that is permanent.

So piss on the Orange Bowl, work on relationships with the Fiesta+Holiday, and work on a new champions bowl.

It's not the end of the world.

(08-14-2012 10:15 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 10:13 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  The best situation for the BE right now is to start its own bowl for our champ or runner-up if the champ is in the playoff. We will do a pool too just like the Orange and pick the best possible opponent. It won't be any different than what the Orange Bowl is doing. The only thing right now we just need a bowl and sponsors to step it up so the payout is on par with whatever Orange Bowl is paying out.

Worst thing is to settle as one of the candidates in that Orange Bowl pool.

Spot on SF

I think you on to something there Husky...instead of "try'n" to be in that pool start up a Bowl or Partner with an existing Bowl-(and make it also a pool and include ND, SEC, Pac, B1G & Big XII). If possible if existing Bowl the one in Houston or Tampa. It might take a combo of FedEX/NBC to pull it off though.

If possible make it the highest payout of any Bowl Game that is not either a "Contract Bowl or Access Bowl" with our Champion playing in that game if not in either the 4 team Playoffs/Access Bowl. If one of our schools makes one of those games then the #2 get that spot and has access to play either-(ND, #4-6 SEC, #3-5 B1G, #3/4 Big XII or #3/4 Pac 12). In terms of quality opponent it will be pretty much the same as the Orange Bowl and make it on NYD on NBC Over the Air Network.

In reality, if it is on NYD and not one of the Playoff Games than it is just another Bowl Game much like the Orange Bowl will be most years with the ACC Champion.

That's why I'm still a bit worried. We may have brought on great negotiators and a new commish, but ESPN and the other 5 conferences STILL want to bury the big east. That hasn't changed. They will keep us down any way they can, and that means no major bowl deal.

I hope they are already working on this!!

(08-15-2012 07:33 AM)Bull Wrote:  That's why I'm still a bit worried. We may have brought on great negotiators and a new commish, but ESPN and the other 5 conferences STILL want to bury the big east. That hasn't changed. They will keep us down any way they can, and that means no major bowl deal.

I hope they are already working on this!!

Here the thing, ESPN is not the only game in town and now you have someone else in the mix that has just as much reach as ESPN/Platforms-(NBC). If they are willing to partner with the BIG EAST/ND $$$$$ will make the difference and we will have a home for our Football Champion with a quality opponent.

(08-15-2012 01:33 AM)Psicosis Wrote:  So piss on the Orange Bowl, ........It's not the end of the world.

By no means, is it the end. Fact is, regardless of how the new Big East starts out, the conference will surely prove its worth during the upcoming years and as it steadily beomes more prestigious, will be able to improve bowl affiliations over time. I am fully confident in the trememdous football potential of our membership.

(08-15-2012 07:33 AM)Bull Wrote:  That's why I'm still a bit worried. We may have brought on great negotiators and a new commish, but ESPN and the other 5 conferences STILL want to bury the big east. That hasn't changed. They will keep us down any way they can, and that means no major bowl deal.

I hope they are already working on this!!

They ARE working on this. I'm not guessing at that. Couldn't have people with better ties working on our behalf.

No guarantees, but all the guys we just hired realize how important the bowl issue is, too, and I'm certan they will get us in the best position possible, whatever that is. Our new TV partner will help with this, too.

(08-15-2012 07:33 AM)Bull Wrote:  That's why I'm still a bit worried. We may have brought on great negotiators and a new commish, but ESPN and the other 5 conferences STILL want to bury the big east. That hasn't changed. They will keep us down any way they can, and that means no major bowl deal.

I hope they are already working on this!!

That may never change...but I certainly believe this new commish will help lead this NEW conf to much higher levels than they had previous achieved...and no doubt that conf like the ACC and entities like ESPN may bash and bash the Big East along the way...but in the end, the Big East will come out of it looking like WINNERS.

Big East has a FIGHTER in the Commissioner Seat now...just let him get to work...good things will happen...then even better things will happen later.

Totally agree with everyone's optimism. No way in he11 would I even want to be in the ACC now. And I'm sure I'll be laughed at for saying this, but (from a fans perspective) I would not really want the B12 either. I'd much rather be making trips to SD, Dallas, Memphis, Orlando, etc etc, playing Navy, Boise... than Waco, Morgantown, Lubbock, Ames Iowa, Kansas or Oklahoma. I'm assuming a strong, competitive, profitable and stable BE, of course...