So what was interesting in his scoop of the commish was this note.

"With NBC expected to enter the bidding after the ESPN time frame expires, there was even some speculation that Bevilacqua could get a package that paid Pac-12 type money, which would change the image of the Big East, which will expand to 12 in the next few years, with the conference’s foot prints stretching from New York to San Diego and from Florida to Texas and Idaho"

http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=550#more-550

Now that is bold.

I will go on record and say this is just as likely (at best) as the low balling we've seen from CBS.

these guys didn't sign up to ruin their reputation and get us 50mil total a season. 22 mil a year is pushing it, but teens seems plausible

I honestly think we'll get between $15-17 million, after these hires. What once seemed very far fetched...seems more and more possible. A deal like that would be ESPN into a frenzy and put a MAJOR target on the Big East's back. Who would have thought that getting raided again by the ACC and having to expand again could actually mean making over 3x the money as before?

How much ridicule will the other networks and media give NBC for such a deal?

(08-14-2012 11:35 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

I would have laughed at this a few days ago, but now, maybe not. How much do you think the Big East is going to ask for when they go to table? I guarantee you they will ASK for PAC 12 money.

There actually are legit arguments that TV execs can make to support that, including the fact that the BE TV markets are in 32M households, roughly double anybody else, and the fact that the BE covers 4 time zones.

Yeah, I know all the message board counter arguments, and I am NOT saying the BE will get that number, or anything close to it, but considering that expansion seems to have settled down now, and given the hires of Bevilacqua and Gold this week, and given the hire of Aresco as commish (which is an absolute SHOCK to TV execs), and given the fact we can take this to the open market, and given the fact it's the last major TV college sports property for 5 years, I'd say the ceiling has been raised. Substantially.

(08-14-2012 12:11 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:35 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

I would have laughed at this a few days ago, but now, maybe not. How much do you think the Big East is going to ask for when they go to table? I guarantee you they will ASK for PAC 12 money.

There actually are legit arguments that TV execs can make to support that, including the fact that the BE TV markets are in 32M households, roughly double anybody else, and the fact that the BE covers 4 time zones.

Yeah, I know all the message board counter arguments, and I am NOT saying the BE will get that number, or anything close to it, but considering that expansion seems to have settled down now, and given the hires of Bevilacqua and Gold this week, and given the hire of Aresco as commish (which is an absolute SHOCK to TV execs), and given the fact we can take this to the open market, and given the fact it's the last major TV college sports property for 5 years, I'd say the ceiling has been raised. Substantially.

Also add that the other 5 Conferences are LOCKED UP with current TV deals (some don't expire till 2027 like the ACC), so the Big East is the LAST PROPERTY up for sale.

Believe it was in the Sporting News article that basically said that the Big East TV rights are the last "beach front property" available...as that always shoots up the price.

Now add in that LIVE programming for networks & advertisers gets more valuable each and every day (DVR proof programming), the Big East is sitting at a "perfect storm" to help maximize their value on the OPEN MARKET.

(08-14-2012 12:11 PM)TripleA Wrote:  not. How much do you think the Big East is going to ask for when they go to table? I guarantee you they will ASK for PAC 12 money.

Considering timing and the fact that the Big East has more than twice the market size and spans 4 time zones, they certainly should.

(08-14-2012 12:27 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 12:11 PM)TripleA Wrote:  not. How much do you think the Big East is going to ask for when they go to table? I guarantee you they will ASK for PAC 12 money.

Considering timing and the fact that the Big East has more than twice the market size and spans 4 time zones, they certainly should.

I'm not guessing at this one.

(08-14-2012 12:23 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 12:11 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:35 AM)Kruciff Wrote:  

I would have laughed at this a few days ago, but now, maybe not. How much do you think the Big East is going to ask for when they go to table? I guarantee you they will ASK for PAC 12 money.

There actually are legit arguments that TV execs can make to support that, including the fact that the BE TV markets are in 32M households, roughly double anybody else, and the fact that the BE covers 4 time zones.

Yeah, I know all the message board counter arguments, and I am NOT saying the BE will get that number, or anything close to it, but considering that expansion seems to have settled down now, and given the hires of Bevilacqua and Gold this week, and given the hire of Aresco as commish (which is an absolute SHOCK to TV execs), and given the fact we can take this to the open market, and given the fact it's the last major TV college sports property for 5 years, I'd say the ceiling has been raised. Substantially.

Also add that the other 5 Conferences are LOCKED UP with current TV deals (some don't expire till 2027 like the ACC), so the Big East is the LAST PROPERTY up for sale.

Believe it was in the Sporting News article that basically said that the Big East TV rights are the last "beach front property" available...as that always shoots up the price.

Now add in that LIVE programming for networks & advertisers gets more valuable each and every day (DVR proof programming), the Big East is sitting at a "perfect storm" to help maximize their value on the OPEN MARKET.

Agree. Btw, I did mention about the other conferences being locked up, in my last paragraph. But the LIVE programming/no DVR thing is a definite other plus I omitted.

Most conferences play most if not all games (especially in the OOC) at the same time. Do not underestimate the fact that the Big East could have a game at 12,4,7 and 10. That idea is very lucrative to TV networks.

Guys guys guys, I want to drink the kool-aide just as much as anyone else, but let's be real. We may be in 32m households but people still have to flop on the couch / bar / tailgate and watch the games that are available.

The demand may be there for the last open market bid for live sports in college football, but the networks still have to make a profit off of us.

(08-14-2012 01:16 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Guys guys guys, I want to drink the kool-aide just as much as anyone else, but let's be real. We may be in 32m households but people still have to flop on the couch / bar / tailgate and watch the games that are available.

The demand may be there for the last open market bid for live sports in college football, but the networks still have to make a profit off of us.

Not when cable channels get user fees, and don't depend solely on advertising dollars. Plus, you have a better chance of increasing the penetration in the market, when the market is huge to start with.

And nobody is saying the BE is going to break the bank, None of us really know. But the potential is there to be a helluva lot more than most think.

The trajectory of these estimates has the BE TV contract at about 3x the US GDP when open market bidding begins.

(08-14-2012 01:16 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Guys guys guys, I want to drink the kool-aide just as much as anyone else, but let's be real. We may be in 32m households but people still have to flop on the couch / bar / tailgate and watch the games that are available.

The demand may be there for the last open market bid for live sports in college football, but the networks still have to make a profit off of us.

Between ad revenue and/or subscriber fees along with the low cost of producing sports television, the money is there. We could get that max payday and the networks would still be taking home the lion's share.

I can totally see this happening. You get all the households clear across the country. This is the biggest footprint of any conference. Also, to get to pac 12 money the Big East will need to grant all of its multimedia rights like the Pac 12 did.

So uconn and Louisville, Georgetown, villanova basketball! Smu will come to be the huge player in Texas like it used to be. All the regional broadcasts tht are available to teams like Smu and Louisville, boise, Sdsu, just millions are out on the table.

Look at uconn women's basketball they are getting more than $1 million a year! That's what boise is giung to make just this year. Louisville makes a ton on all their hows. Uconn football and mens teams have a huge media deal with sny that is double what the get from the big east. Ucf has a ton of students or any web content. All these deals will be wrapped into one HUGE media rights deal and distributed like the Pac 12. A team like memphis with $20 million a year? explosive! think of all the new stadiums that could be built and expanded with just half the increase in revenue! Take $10 million a year to pay off in 12 years a $100 million stadium. memphis is going to have the best stadium in the country!

The most ironic thing of all this is that memphis turned out to be the linchpin in the whole realignment saga. It was the perfect school because of almost automatically becoming the most important basketball brand in the Big east and being to be able to be the most powerful football program.

Memphis on NBC every saturday in the fall. Watch how much it will grow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n

(08-14-2012 11:32 AM)FULL_MONTY Wrote:  So what was interesting in his scoop of the commish was this note.

"With NBC expected to enter the bidding after the ESPN time frame expires, there was even some speculation that Bevilacqua could get a package that paid Pac-12 type money, which would change the image of the Big East, which will expand to 12 in the next few years, with the conference’s foot prints stretching from New York to San Diego and from Florida to Texas and Idaho"

http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=550#more-550

Now that is bold.

What people also forget is that fans from schools in your conference will watch other conferences games that don't involve their team more likely than watch a game from another conference.

I am a UC fan who now will watch SDSU or Boise State over your random late night SEC, Big 12, PAC 12, or whoever is on at time.

The division set up is going to be huge, not to mention who number 14 is also a big thing. I still suggest if its not BYU we check and see how UMass is doing in 2014. Something about picking up one of the last state flagships out there seems interesting. Air Force, ECU, Marshall, Nevada, Fresno State, or whoever is the next hot school.

I actually like the 12 team football conference better than the eight team conference. Going national will help the Big East more than people think it will besides there is still a strong group up in the northeast for football and basketball.

(08-14-2012 01:41 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  What people also forget is that fans from schools in your conference will watch other conferences games that don't involve their team more likely than watch a game from another conference.

I am a UC fan who now will watch SDSU or Boise State over your random late night SEC, Big 12, PAC 12, or whoever is on at time.

I think that's key...as just take the two Top 20 TV Markets in FLA that will be in the Big East in 2013: Orlando and Tampa.

USF fans didn't care about the CUSA Conf races UCF was in...similarly, UCF fans didn't care about Big East Conf races...as the Big East got just a small part of FLA in exposure (no Big East highlights anywhere outside of Tampa).

Now add Orlando to the mix....and you can go from Naples...to Brandenton to Tampa/St Pete/Clearwater...over to Lakeland/Winter Springs to Orlando to Cocoa/Melbourne up to Daytona...and finally generate a HUGE section of interest in Big East play.

Same can be said for other new markets as well.

Big East has a BRIGHT future...a VERY bright future ahead.

(08-14-2012 02:25 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 01:41 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  What people also forget is that fans from schools in your conference will watch other conferences games that don't involve their team more likely than watch a game from another conference.

I am a UC fan who now will watch SDSU or Boise State over your random late night SEC, Big 12, PAC 12, or whoever is on at time.

I think that's key...as just take the two Top 20 TV Markets in FLA that will be in the Big East in 2013: Orlando and Tampa.

USF fans didn't care about the CUSA Conf races UCF was in...similarly, UCF fans didn't care about Big East Conf races...as the Big East got just a small part of FLA in exposure (no Big East highlights anywhere outside of Tampa).

Now add Orlando to the mix....and you can go from Naples...to Brandenton to Tampa/St Pete/Clearwater...over to Lakeland/Winter Springs to Orlando to Cocoa/Melbourne up to Daytona...and finally generate a HUGE section of interest in Big East play.

Same can be said for other new markets as well.

Big East has a BRIGHT future...a VERY bright future ahead.

Land BYU with an attractive tv deal and we will generate interest from half the state of utah, and everywhere in between Boise and Provo.

Honestly the Big East should make more money than the ACC....We got the markets, we got the basketball and we have BOISE ST. who the average football fan cares way more about than ANY ACC school. TV wise at this moment I would say Boise St. draws more casual viewers than FSU, Clemsux, PITT & CUSE. Its really good for us.
Im starting to think with our new commish things will work out fine. I wish we didn't have to wait till November for our new TV deal. Im ready for the ACC to eat shite.