(08-14-2012 11:40 AM)BroncoPaul Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:33 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:26 AM)BroncoPaul Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:17 AM)monty Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:14 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  I like the selection made by the Big East, but I do have a question. Is this hire more of a task specific hire? I mean, you found someone that can negotiate your next contract. Great! What after that?

Seeing as the next 4 months determine the future of the conference and the individual teams, I say, so what?

You still have to have someone who can handle the basketball powers of the league and still keep it together. With all the new members, there are now many different attitudes and cultural differences that will need to be dealt with. Conferences were and still are formed and re-formed based on similiarities of universities. The Big East will have to feel that out and it'll quite difficult.

True, but they didn't have any choice, to maximize marketability and TV dollars. The alternative is to become just another C-USA or MWC, money-wise and prestige-wise.

I think the BE will be just fine. I predict you will feel better about this in the next few years, assuming you really are a Boise fan, lol.

Yes, I am a Boise fan, but it doesn't mean I have to like the move regardless if BSU gets $6 million a year for TV. I'm an old school fan who wants to see BSU-Nevada matchups vs BSU-UCF.

Well, I understand, but you're never going to be happy then. Sorry. I would like to have a nice regional conference around Memphis, too. Unfortunately, money rules in college football, and the BE and Boise are both doing what they have to do to be as successful as possible. And Boise can still play 4 OOC games close to home, if it so chooses.

From what I read from folks, this hire is a slam dunk and a home run rolled into one. Well done Big East.

(08-14-2012 11:45 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:38 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:32 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:26 AM)BroncoPaul Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:17 AM)monty Wrote:  Seeing as the next 4 months determine the future of the conference and the individual teams, I say, so what?

You still have to have someone who can handle the basketball powers of the league and still keep it together. With all the new members, there are now many different attitudes and cultural differences that will need to be dealt with. Conferences were and still are formed and re-formed based on similiarities of universities. The Big East will have to feel that out and it'll quite difficult.

If he can get the all sports 17 mil, the FB onlies 11 mil and the BBall schools 6 mil then no one will be complaining.

SIX MILLION EACH for 18 BB schools? Okay, then.

That would be better than any other conference, by almost double. According to Swofford, the ACC will get less than 20% for basketball for 14 schools, which averages out to $3.4M a year, and that's not until 2021. Right now, they get about $2.4M per school, counting 14 for next year.

The Big East BBall is more valuable than the other leagues. it also places it in markets like NYC, DC, Chicago and Milwaukee also a national name in Notre Dame. They would also get the BE tournament which would be a boon for NBC. It could also be split amongst two or more networks and get around that number. Also it's just BSing on a message board. Im not an TV exec, just a fan. It's a good day for the league so we're all a little high on our potential.

Good points. And after reading Lord2's reply, $6M is not completely unrealistic. It's just too high for a $17M all sports contract. It would work if we get more than that, though.

(08-14-2012 11:47 AM)General Mike Wrote:  **** you Chuck

Hmm, does your first word happen to rhyme with Chuck?

(08-14-2012 11:48 AM)ClairtonPanther Wrote:  From what I read from folks, this hire is a slam dunk and a home run rolled into one. Well done Big East.

It's like this:



At first you're like what the ****?! And then you're like, I want more of this.

(08-14-2012 11:51 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:47 AM)General Mike Wrote:  **** you Chuck

Hmm, does your first word happen to rhyme with Chuck?

Yes

It's very obvious that Neinas is his source for the low ball estimates. He doesn't have an agenda, does he.

(08-14-2012 11:51 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:47 AM)General Mike Wrote:  **** you Chuck

Hmm, does your first word happen to rhyme with Chuck?

Yes

(08-14-2012 12:06 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  It's very obvious that Neinas is his source for the low ball estimates. He doesn't have an agenda, does he.

Neinas is a ninny

(08-14-2012 12:20 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 12:06 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  It's very obvious that Neinas is his source for the low ball estimates. He doesn't have an agenda, does he.

Neinas is a ninny

BIG 12 begs to differ with your opinion.

(08-14-2012 11:26 AM)BroncoPaul Wrote:  Conferences were and still are formed and re-formed based on similiarities of universities. The Big East will have to feel that out and it'll quite difficult.

New Big East members have one very important similarity: we need each other to survive and strive for greatness. Perhaps we can do what future America is supposed to do: CAPITALIZE on our diversity.

(08-14-2012 12:24 PM)BroncoPaul Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 12:20 PM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 12:06 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  It's very obvious that Neinas is his source for the low ball estimates. He doesn't have an agenda, does he.

Neinas is a ninny

BIG 12 begs to differ with your opinion.

I don't care. He's a ninny.

(08-14-2012 11:38 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:32 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:26 AM)BroncoPaul Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:17 AM)monty Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:14 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  I like the selection made by the Big East, but I do have a question. Is this hire more of a task specific hire? I mean, you found someone that can negotiate your next contract. Great! What after that?

Seeing as the next 4 months determine the future of the conference and the individual teams, I say, so what?

You still have to have someone who can handle the basketball powers of the league and still keep it together. With all the new members, there are now many different attitudes and cultural differences that will need to be dealt with. Conferences were and still are formed and re-formed based on similiarities of universities. The Big East will have to feel that out and it'll quite difficult.

If he can get the all sports 17 mil, the FB onlies 11 mil and the BBall schools 6 mil then no one will be complaining.

SIX MILLION EACH for 18 BB schools? Okay, then.

That would be better than any other conference, by almost double. According to Swofford, the ACC will get less than 20% for basketball for 14 schools, which averages out to $3.4M a year, and that's not until 2021. Right now, they get about $2.4M per school, counting 14 for next year.

The current big east contract signed in 2003 pays over $2 mil to each for just basketball. and values have inflated about 250% since then. That would be $5 million per team before considering the increase in inventory and/or markets.

(08-14-2012 12:43 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:38 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:32 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:26 AM)BroncoPaul Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:17 AM)monty Wrote:  Seeing as the next 4 months determine the future of the conference and the individual teams, I say, so what?

You still have to have someone who can handle the basketball powers of the league and still keep it together. With all the new members, there are now many different attitudes and cultural differences that will need to be dealt with. Conferences were and still are formed and re-formed based on similiarities of universities. The Big East will have to feel that out and it'll quite difficult.

If he can get the all sports 17 mil, the FB onlies 11 mil and the BBall schools 6 mil then no one will be complaining.

SIX MILLION EACH for 18 BB schools? Okay, then.

That would be better than any other conference, by almost double. According to Swofford, the ACC will get less than 20% for basketball for 14 schools, which averages out to $3.4M a year, and that's not until 2021. Right now, they get about $2.4M per school, counting 14 for next year.

The current big east contract signed in 2003 pays over $2 mil to each for just basketball. and values have inflated about 250% since then. That would be $5 million per team before considering the increase in inventory and/or markets.

I agree. I already took it back in a later post. You must have missed it.

I am now only saying that $6M is too big a chunk out of $17M. The total number, all sports, would likely have to be higher, for the BB schools to get $6M.

No, I only read two posts after it

(08-14-2012 01:02 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  No, I only read two posts after it

There ya go.

(08-14-2012 12:47 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 12:43 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:38 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:32 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:26 AM)BroncoPaul Wrote:  You still have to have someone who can handle the basketball powers of the league and still keep it together. With all the new members, there are now many different attitudes and cultural differences that will need to be dealt with. Conferences were and still are formed and re-formed based on similiarities of universities. The Big East will have to feel that out and it'll quite difficult.

If he can get the all sports 17 mil, the FB onlies 11 mil and the BBall schools 6 mil then no one will be complaining.

SIX MILLION EACH for 18 BB schools? Okay, then.

That would be better than any other conference, by almost double. According to Swofford, the ACC will get less than 20% for basketball for 14 schools, which averages out to $3.4M a year, and that's not until 2021. Right now, they get about $2.4M per school, counting 14 for next year.

The current big east contract signed in 2003 pays over $2 mil to each for just basketball. and values have inflated about 250% since then. That would be $5 million per team before considering the increase in inventory and/or markets.

I agree. I already took it back in a later post. You must have missed it.

I am now only saying that $6M is too big a chunk out of $17M. The total number, all sports, would likely have to be higher, for the BB schools to get $6M.

Yup, it'd take $20M to get $6M. Regardless of how it shakes out, the bball side will be among the highest, if not the highest, paid schools in the country.

(08-14-2012 11:46 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:32 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:26 AM)BroncoPaul Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:17 AM)monty Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:14 AM)bluephi1914 Wrote:  I like the selection made by the Big East, but I do have a question. Is this hire more of a task specific hire? I mean, you found someone that can negotiate your next contract. Great! What after that?

Seeing as the next 4 months determine the future of the conference and the individual teams, I say, so what?

You still have to have someone who can handle the basketball powers of the league and still keep it together. With all the new members, there are now many different attitudes and cultural differences that will need to be dealt with. Conferences were and still are formed and re-formed based on similiarities of universities. The Big East will have to feel that out and it'll quite difficult.

If he can get the all sports 17 mil, the FB onlies 11 mil and the BBall schools 6 mil then no one will be complaining.

$6M is a bit high in that scenario, at $17M with the rumored 70/30 split you'd be looking at $5M which is still more than any other conference.

Thats not how the 70/30 split works. It does not mean football represents 70% of the income. It means football paying teams get 70% ofthe total income. Big difference. For example the current contract basketball represent s 70% of the total income, but football playing teams take home 67% of the money.

(08-14-2012 01:05 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:46 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:32 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:26 AM)BroncoPaul Wrote:  

(08-14-2012 11:17 AM)monty Wrote:  Seeing as the next 4 months determine the future of the conference and the individual teams, I say, so what?

You still have to have someone who can handle the basketball powers of the league and still keep it together. With all the new members, there are now many different attitudes and cultural differences that will need to be dealt with. Conferences were and still are formed and re-formed based on similiarities of universities. The Big East will have to feel that out and it'll quite difficult.

If he can get the all sports 17 mil, the FB onlies 11 mil and the BBall schools 6 mil then no one will be complaining.

$6M is a bit high in that scenario, at $17M with the rumored 70/30 split you'd be looking at $5M which is still more than any other conference.

Thats not how the 70/30 split works. It does not mean football represents 70% of the income. It means football paying teams get 70% ofthe total income. Big difference. For example the current contract basketball represent s 70% of the total income, but football playing teams take home 67% of the money.

I actually think all that is yet to be determined in the new contract. We could wind up with separate contracts for FB and BB, for all we know, or at least, split up enough that it's easy to determine who gets what.

Using round numbers, the NBE could get $100 million a year for basketball and $100 for football (again just using round numbers) and the football teams would still get over 77% of the money.