(08-15-2012 07:25 AM)Seven Would Be Nice Wrote:  Southern goes for it just about every time if we are across the 50 (and sometimes when we aren't). It completely demoralizes their defense finally holding us to only 3 yards a play, 4th and 1 at midfield... and than they give up 3 more yards and have to start all over. That whole onside kick every time thing... that's just stupid.
The 2pt conversion... it's not a bad idea if you can execute.

4th and 1 at the 50 v. a perceived inferior opponent, in the first half...ok

4th and 1 mid-way through the 3rd Q. in a tight game against LSU, now that's ballzy. The entire mo' of the game could blow-up in your face if you fail and if you succeed all you've got is a fresh set of downs. I'd punt and pin them deep, but hey, that's just me.

I definately agree. It is fine in high school but when you are playing at the highest level of college against monster defenses just salivating and waiting for you to go for it on 4th and 5 at the 50, bet you will start thinking about the rail between your legs that they will run you out of town on. This wont happen.

(08-15-2012 08:30 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(08-15-2012 07:25 AM)Seven Would Be Nice Wrote:  Southern goes for it just about every time if we are across the 50 (and sometimes when we aren't). It completely demoralizes their defense finally holding us to only 3 yards a play, 4th and 1 at midfield... and than they give up 3 more yards and have to start all over. That whole onside kick every time thing... that's just stupid.
The 2pt conversion... it's not a bad idea if you can execute.

4th and 1 at the 50 v. a perceived inferior opponent, in the first half...ok

4th and 1 mid-way through the 3rd Q. in a tight game against LSU, now that's ballzy. The entire mo' of the game could blow-up in your face if you fail and if you succeed all you've got is a fresh set of downs. I'd punt and pin them deep, but hey, that's just me.

Sometimes against teams like that you have to take a chance. Playing conservative will most likely get you beat against a superior team.

Look at the games that put Boise St on the map. Their coach has big brass and it paid off. What's the worse that happens? Mo' blows up and you lose a game everyone expected you to lose anyway?

(08-15-2012 08:58 AM)Seven Would Be Nice Wrote:  

(08-15-2012 08:30 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(08-15-2012 07:25 AM)Seven Would Be Nice Wrote:  Southern goes for it just about every time if we are across the 50 (and sometimes when we aren't). It completely demoralizes their defense finally holding us to only 3 yards a play, 4th and 1 at midfield... and than they give up 3 more yards and have to start all over. That whole onside kick every time thing... that's just stupid.
The 2pt conversion... it's not a bad idea if you can execute.

4th and 1 at the 50 v. a perceived inferior opponent, in the first half...ok

4th and 1 mid-way through the 3rd Q. in a tight game against LSU, now that's ballzy. The entire mo' of the game could blow-up in your face if you fail and if you succeed all you've got is a fresh set of downs. I'd punt and pin them deep, but hey, that's just me.

Sometimes against teams like that you have to take a chance. Playing conservative will most likely get you beat against a superior team.

Look at the games that put Boise St on the map. Their coach has big brass and it paid off. What's the worse that happens? Mo' blows up and you lose a game everyone expected you to lose anyway?

And your fan base would run you out of a job for blowing a chance to put your program on the map.

(08-15-2012 10:16 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(08-15-2012 08:58 AM)Seven Would Be Nice Wrote:  

(08-15-2012 08:30 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(08-15-2012 07:25 AM)Seven Would Be Nice Wrote:  Southern goes for it just about every time if we are across the 50 (and sometimes when we aren't). It completely demoralizes their defense finally holding us to only 3 yards a play, 4th and 1 at midfield... and than they give up 3 more yards and have to start all over. That whole onside kick every time thing... that's just stupid.
The 2pt conversion... it's not a bad idea if you can execute.

4th and 1 at the 50 v. a perceived inferior opponent, in the first half...ok

4th and 1 mid-way through the 3rd Q. in a tight game against LSU, now that's ballzy. The entire mo' of the game could blow-up in your face if you fail and if you succeed all you've got is a fresh set of downs. I'd punt and pin them deep, but hey, that's just me.

Sometimes against teams like that you have to take a chance. Playing conservative will most likely get you beat against a superior team.

Look at the games that put Boise St on the map. Their coach has big brass and it paid off. What's the worse that happens? Mo' blows up and you lose a game everyone expected you to lose anyway?

And your fan base would run you out of a job for blowing a chance to put your program on the map.

I guess it all depends on the situation. Blanket statements like "always punting" or "never punting" are hard to judge without knowing the entire situation.

(08-15-2012 10:16 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(08-15-2012 08:58 AM)Seven Would Be Nice Wrote:  

(08-15-2012 08:30 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(08-15-2012 07:25 AM)Seven Would Be Nice Wrote:  Southern goes for it just about every time if we are across the 50 (and sometimes when we aren't). It completely demoralizes their defense finally holding us to only 3 yards a play, 4th and 1 at midfield... and than they give up 3 more yards and have to start all over. That whole onside kick every time thing... that's just stupid.
The 2pt conversion... it's not a bad idea if you can execute.

4th and 1 at the 50 v. a perceived inferior opponent, in the first half...ok

4th and 1 mid-way through the 3rd Q. in a tight game against LSU, now that's ballzy. The entire mo' of the game could blow-up in your face if you fail and if you succeed all you've got is a fresh set of downs. I'd punt and pin them deep, but hey, that's just me.

Sometimes against teams like that you have to take a chance. Playing conservative will most likely get you beat against a superior team.

Look at the games that put Boise St on the map. Their coach has big brass and it paid off. What's the worse that happens? Mo' blows up and you lose a game everyone expected you to lose anyway?

And your fan base would run you out of a job for blowing a chance to put your program on the map.

How many fan bases would run a coach out of a job because he took a chance to put away a top ranked program and it backfired? I'd just be thrilled to get that chance honestly.

Sure...if you're going for it on Fourth and 10 from your own 20 up 2 with 35 seconds left...thats stupid. But If you've got a tight 3rd quarter or 4th quarter game against a BCS school and you have a fourth and 2 around midfield with a chance to step on their throat...you go for it.

There are really stupid times to go for it. But College teams punt entirely too much on their opponents side of the 50.

(08-15-2012 01:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  How many fan bases would run a coach out of a job because he took a chance to put away a top ranked program and it backfired? I'd just be thrilled to get that chance honestly.

Sure...if you're going for it on Fourth and 10 from your own 20 up 2 with 35 seconds left...thats stupid. But If you've got a tight 3rd quarter or 4th quarter game against a BCS school and you have a fourth and 2 around midfield with a chance to step on their throat...you go for it.

There are really stupid times to go for it. But College teams punt entirely too much on their opponents side of the 50.

So as SWBN says, I think it depends on the situation and any statement about always kicking an on-side or never punting beyond the 50 have been shown to be silly.

(08-15-2012 02:21 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(08-15-2012 01:16 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  How many fan bases would run a coach out of a job because he took a chance to put away a top ranked program and it backfired? I'd just be thrilled to get that chance honestly.

Sure...if you're going for it on Fourth and 10 from your own 20 up 2 with 35 seconds left...thats stupid. But If you've got a tight 3rd quarter or 4th quarter game against a BCS school and you have a fourth and 2 around midfield with a chance to step on their throat...you go for it.

There are really stupid times to go for it. But College teams punt entirely too much on their opponents side of the 50.

So as SWBN says, I think it depends on the situation and any statement about always kicking an on-side or never punting beyond the 50 have been shown to be silly.

The coach in the story isnt talking about onside kicks, he's talking about going for it on the opponents side of the 50.

My whole point is that it is silly to think there are situations where you have to punt, and that a fan base wouldnt put up with a coach who goes for it all the time on 4th down. I really believe there are very very few situations in which punting on the opponents side of the 50 makes sense, and those are only 4th and forever type situations.

This coach is only talking about going for it in that one instance, in which it has been proven that a large percentage of the time it makes more sense to go for it.