Quote:"The thing about the Big East was it was a great conference, maybe the best in history,'' Huggins said. "But top to bottom I think the Big 12 is better.''

Has he been drinking again?

(08-10-2012 08:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  This topic got me curious, so I went through the 2013 roster of each major BB conference, and I ranked teams (off the top of my head, w/o research) as Excellent, Good, Fair and Bad BB programs, based on overall performance, over a fairly long period of time. I'm not going to debate any of this, b/c everybody has their own impressions, but here are mine:

Big East

Excellent: Louisville, UConn, Memphis, Georgetown
Good: Marquette, Temple, Cincy, Villanova, Notre Dame
Fair: St. John's, USF, UCF, Houston, Rutgers
Poor: DePaul, Providence, Seton Hall, SMU

Big 12

Excellent: Kansas
Good: West Virginia, Texas, Baylor, Kansas State
Fair: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Iowa State
Poor: Texas Tech, TCU

ACC

Excellent: UNC, Duke, Syracuse
Good: Florida State, Pitt, Clemson, NC State, Maryland
Fair: Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Wake Forest, BC, Miami
Poor: None

SEC

Excellent: Kentucky
Good: Florida, Missouri, Tennessee, Vandy, Mississippi State
Fair: Arkansas, Alabama, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Georgia
Poor: Auburn, LSU

Big Ten

Excellent: Ohio Sate, Indiana, Michigan State
Good: Wisconsin, Michigan, Purdue, Illinois, Minnesota
Fair: Iowa, Northwestern
Poor: Penn State, Nebraska

PAC 12

Excellent: UCLA, Arizona
Good: Stanford, Washington, Arizona State, Cal
Fair: Oregon, USC, Washington State, Oregon State
Poor: Colorado, Utah

Going by tourney appearances from the past 10 years. ('03 - Present) If I were to do it historically it would look a lot different.

Big East
(8+)Juggernaut - Connecticut(8), Louisville(9), Marquette (8)
(6-7)Top - Memphis(7*), Villanova(7), Georgetown(6), Notre Dame(6)
(4-5)Average - Temple (5), Cincinnati(5)
(3-)Bottom - UCF(2), USF(1), Houston(1), SMU(0), DePaul(1), Providence(1), Seton Hall(2), Rutgers(0), St. John's(1)
* = Memphis technically has 8, but '08 was vacated.

Big XII
Juggernaut - Kansas(10), Texas(10)
Top - West Virginia(7)
Average - Kansas St.(4), Ok. St.(5), Oklahoma(5),
Bottom - Iowa St.(2), Baylor(3), TCU(0), Texas Tech(3)

ACC
Juggernaut - Syracuse(8), Duke(10), North Carolina(8), Pitt(9)
Top - None
Average - NC St.(5), Wake Forest(5), Clemson(4), FSU(4), Boston College(5), Georgia Tech(4), Maryland(5)
Bottom - Miami(1), Virginia(2), Virginia Tech(1)

Okay, I'm tired of looking up appearances.

(08-10-2012 10:44 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(08-10-2012 08:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  This topic got me curious, so I went through the 2013 roster of each major BB conference, and I ranked teams (off the top of my head, w/o research) as Excellent, Good, Fair and Bad BB programs, based on overall performance, over a fairly long period of time. I'm not going to debate any of this, b/c everybody has their own impressions, but here are mine:

Big East

Excellent: Louisville, UConn, Memphis, Georgetown
Good: Marquette, Temple, Cincy, Villanova, Notre Dame
Fair: St. John's, USF, UCF, Houston, Rutgers
Poor: DePaul, Providence, Seton Hall, SMU

Big 12

Excellent: Kansas
Good: West Virginia, Texas, Baylor, Kansas State
Fair: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Iowa State
Poor: Texas Tech, TCU

ACC

Excellent: UNC, Duke, Syracuse
Good: Florida State, Pitt, Clemson, NC State, Maryland
Fair: Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Wake Forest, BC, Miami
Poor: None

SEC

Excellent: Kentucky
Good: Florida, Missouri, Tennessee, Vandy, Mississippi State
Fair: Arkansas, Alabama, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Georgia
Poor: Auburn, LSU

Big Ten

Excellent: Ohio Sate, Indiana, Michigan State
Good: Wisconsin, Michigan, Purdue, Illinois, Minnesota
Fair: Iowa, Northwestern
Poor: Penn State, Nebraska

PAC 12

Excellent: UCLA, Arizona
Good: Stanford, Washington, Arizona State, Cal
Fair: Oregon, USC, Washington State, Oregon State
Poor: Colorado, Utah

Going by tourney appearances from the past 10 years. ('03 - Present) If I were to do it historically it would look a lot different.

Big East
(8+)Juggernaut - Connecticut(8), Louisville(9), Marquette (8)
(6-7)Top - Memphis(7*), Villanova(7), Georgetown(6), Notre Dame(6)
(4-5)Average - Temple (5), Cincinnati(5)
(3-)Bottom - UCF(2), USF(1), Houston(1), SMU(0), DePaul(1), Providence(1), Seton Hall(2), Rutgers(0), St. John's(1)
* = Memphis technically has 8, but '08 was vacated.

Big XII
Juggernaut - Kansas(10), Texas(10)
Top - West Virginia(7)
Average - Kansas St.(4), Ok. St.(5), Oklahoma(5),
Bottom - Iowa St.(2), Baylor(3), TCU(0), Texas Tech(3)

ACC
Juggernaut - Syracuse(8), Duke(10), North Carolina(8), Pitt(9)
Top - None
Average - NC St.(5), Wake Forest(5), Clemson(4), FSU(4), Boston College(5), Georgia Tech(4), Maryland(5)
Bottom - Miami(1), Virginia(2), Virginia Tech(1)

Okay, I'm tired of looking up appearances.

Haha, that's why I just used my memory. Too damn hard, otherwise. I also used 1985 to the present, b/c I had read and studied the mathematical analysis by ESPN, which is where I got all my "excellents," lol.

(08-10-2012 10:44 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(08-10-2012 08:55 AM)TripleA Wrote:  This topic got me curious, so I went through the 2013 roster of each major BB conference, and I ranked teams (off the top of my head, w/o research) as Excellent, Good, Fair and Bad BB programs, based on overall performance, over a fairly long period of time. I'm not going to debate any of this, b/c everybody has their own impressions, but here are mine:

Big East

Excellent: Louisville, UConn, Memphis, Georgetown
Good: Marquette, Temple, Cincy, Villanova, Notre Dame
Fair: St. John's, USF, UCF, Houston, Rutgers
Poor: DePaul, Providence, Seton Hall, SMU

Big 12

Excellent: Kansas
Good: West Virginia, Texas, Baylor, Kansas State
Fair: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Iowa State
Poor: Texas Tech, TCU

ACC

Excellent: UNC, Duke, Syracuse
Good: Florida State, Pitt, Clemson, NC State, Maryland
Fair: Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, Virginia, Wake Forest, BC, Miami
Poor: None

SEC

Excellent: Kentucky
Good: Florida, Missouri, Tennessee, Vandy, Mississippi State
Fair: Arkansas, Alabama, South Carolina, Ole Miss, Texas A&M, Georgia
Poor: Auburn, LSU

Big Ten

Excellent: Ohio Sate, Indiana, Michigan State
Good: Wisconsin, Michigan, Purdue, Illinois, Minnesota
Fair: Iowa, Northwestern
Poor: Penn State, Nebraska

PAC 12

Excellent: UCLA, Arizona
Good: Stanford, Washington, Arizona State, Cal
Fair: Oregon, USC, Washington State, Oregon State
Poor: Colorado, Utah

Going by tourney appearances from the past 10 years. ('03 - Present) If I were to do it historically it would look a lot different.

Big East
(8+)Juggernaut - Connecticut(8), Louisville(9), Marquette (8)
(6-7)Top - Memphis(7*), Villanova(7), Georgetown(6), Notre Dame(6)
(4-5)Average - Temple (5), Cincinnati(5)
(3-)Bottom - UCF(2), USF(1), Houston(1), SMU(0), DePaul(1), Providence(1), Seton Hall(2), Rutgers(0), St. John's(1)
* = Memphis technically has 8, but '08 was vacated.

Big XII
Juggernaut - Kansas(10), Texas(10)
Top - West Virginia(7)
Average - Kansas St.(4), Ok. St.(5), Oklahoma(5),
Bottom - Iowa St.(2), Baylor(3), TCU(0), Texas Tech(3)

ACC
Juggernaut - Syracuse(8), Duke(10), North Carolina(8), Pitt(9)
Top - None
Average - NC St.(5), Wake Forest(5), Clemson(4), FSU(4), Boston College(5), Georgia Tech(4), Maryland(5)
Bottom - Miami(1), Virginia(2), Virginia Tech(1)

Okay, I'm tired of looking up appearances.

Not sure what the logic is in removing an all time season win record and NCAA championship game finalist when considering the level of the Memphis program. Technically vacated but still happened. I expect to hear that argument on the SEC board.

(08-11-2012 12:15 AM)msu65 Wrote:  Not sure what the logic is in removing an all time season win record and NCAA championship game finalist when considering the level of the Memphis program. Technically vacated but still happened.

This wasn't the original point of the thread but it's already so far off the tracks I'll play. It's not hard to have that viewpoint. Would they have advanced as far in the tournament without the ineligible players? If not then why should it be considered?

As a Providence fan I can only let the numbers do the talking:
And lately the numbers have been ugly. But having 2 national championships, 2 final fours, 2 elite 8s is hardly poor.WVU is less then average in the grand scheme of things. Big East Basketball is better top to bottom. When you have 12 quality programs fighting to make it deep in the tourney, 4 teams are going to look bad. Take those 4 teams and stick them in other conferences and they are better teams (maybe not BC and Miami or VT) but BE basketball prevails.

(08-11-2012 01:14 AM)CollegeCard Wrote:  

(08-11-2012 12:15 AM)msu65 Wrote:  Not sure what the logic is in removing an all time season win record and NCAA championship game finalist when considering the level of the Memphis program. Technically vacated but still happened.

This wasn't the original point of the thread but it's already so far off the tracks I'll play. It's not hard to have that viewpoint. Would they have advanced as far in the tournament without the ineligible players? If not then why should it be considered?

Player not players. And yes we would have. We went to the elite eight two straight years prior with the same roster. We were gonna break thru regardless IMO

Most interesting aspect to WVU Hoops in the coming years might be recruiting...as Huggy Bear has focused mostly in areas like Chicago, Ohio, Philly, New York and NC....but WVU will be moving from a East Coast based conf to one mainly located in Texas & Oklahoma (6 out of the other 9 conf teams are located in those 2 states).

Believe he has 1 player on the roster from that area...but WVU will probably lose a lot of pub in their former Big East markets since they won't be playing conf teams from those areas anymore.

(08-10-2012 07:10 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  I Thought I remember him singing the praises of the BE after he came to WV from KSU, talking about how tough it is in the BE and how its going to be a war every night, or something to that affect.


"The thing about the Big East was it was a great conference, maybe the best in history,'' Huggins said. "But top to bottom I think the Big 12 is better.''

Indeed, while the Big East was brutal at the top - and that top sometimes stretched as far as 10 or 12 teams in the 16-team league - there were also softer spots. West Virginia seldom, if ever, lost to DePaul, Providence, Rutgers or South Florida."



Huggins Coach Speak Link

It's called an opinion, everyone has one.

(08-11-2012 06:45 AM)Otacon Wrote:  

(08-10-2012 07:10 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  I Thought I remember him singing the praises of the BE after he came to WV from KSU, talking about how tough it is in the BE and how its going to be a war every night, or something to that affect.


"The thing about the Big East was it was a great conference, maybe the best in history,'' Huggins said. "But top to bottom I think the Big 12 is better.''

Indeed, while the Big East was brutal at the top - and that top sometimes stretched as far as 10 or 12 teams in the 16-team league - there were also softer spots. West Virginia seldom, if ever, lost to DePaul, Providence, Rutgers or South Florida."



Huggins Coach Speak Link

It's called an opinion, everyone has one.

Yeah, but his attacks the BE, and we think it is a monumentally dumb opinion, thus, this thread.

The man wears a yellow #%#% suit!

He's no different than a babbling homeless person staggering from an AA meeting.

Quote:WVU is less then average in the grand scheme of things.

WVU is #22 in all time bball wins with a winning % of .617

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tea...basketball

Quote:Most interesting aspect to WVU Hoops in the coming years might be recruiting...as Huggy Bear has focused mostly in areas like Chicago, Ohio, Philly, New York and NC....but WVU will be moving from a East Coast based conf to one mainly located in Texas & Oklahoma (6 out of the other 9 conf teams are located in those 2 states).

WVUs 2013 class is currently ranked #10 nationally by ESPN.com

http://insider.espn.go.com/college-sport...tion=login

Two other points; Big East is adding two above-average programs in Temple and Memphis, two below average schools in UCF and Houston and a below below average school in SMU. Its losing two above average programs in Pitt and WVU and the crown jewel of Eastern Basketball in Syracuse. The basketball side took a hit. How large of one remains to be seen, but the league should be behind the ACC most years now.

#2 What I have heard Huggins say is that winning on the road will be a lot tougher in Big 12 then in the Big East. Regardless of all the chest pounding in this thread, the Big East is home to several schools that have some of the worst home court advantages in among major basketball schools. Seton Hall, Providence, USF etc quickly come to mind as well as Depaul, who I and several others on this board have said in the past, has the worst homecourt advantage in terms of atmosphere among the BCS schools

Jackson

(08-11-2012 09:36 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  #2 What I have heard Huggins say is that winning on the road will be a lot tougher in Big 12 then in the Big East. Regardless of all the chest pounding in this thread, the Big East is home to several schools that have some of the worst home court advantages in among major basketball schools. Seton Hall, Providence, USF etc quickly come to mind as well as Depaul, who I and several others on this board have said in the past, has the worst homecourt advantage in terms of atmosphere among the BCS schools

Jackson

Because the Big 12 was forced to also take TCU Basketball, traveling to TEXAS and Oklahoma posts some easy road games (at TCU, at Texas Tech...and a now down A&M...plus both OU and OSU are down as well).

Big 12 just lost their #2 team in Mizzou.

One main reason why Providence or Depaul might have road conf home records is because THEY PLAY HOOPS in the BEST CONF in COLLEGE BASKETBALL.

Top competition tends to inflict losses on those less than them.

Have a drink Bob Huggins. :drinky2: :drunk2:

(08-11-2012 09:53 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(08-11-2012 09:36 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  #2 What I have heard Huggins say is that winning on the road will be a lot tougher in Big 12 then in the Big East. Regardless of all the chest pounding in this thread, the Big East is home to several schools that have some of the worst home court advantages in among major basketball schools. Seton Hall, Providence, USF etc quickly come to mind as well as Depaul, who I and several others on this board have said in the past, has the worst homecourt advantage in terms of atmosphere among the BCS schools

Jackson

Because the Big 12 was forced to also take TCU Basketball, traveling to TEXAS and Oklahoma posts some easy road games (at TCU, at Texas Tech...and a now down A&M...plus both OU and OSU are down as well).

Big 12 just lost their #2 team in Mizzou.

One main reason why Providence or Depaul might have road conf home records is because THEY PLAY HOOPS in the BEST CONF in COLLEGE BASKETBALL.

Top competition tends to inflict losses on those less than them.

I'm afraid its not that simple. You've got schools that have small student bodies and off campus areanas. That's what makes a Marquette's fan base so damn impressive. Seton Hall seemingly has always had trouble drawing fans in the seats unless they were playing a regional power like Uconn or Syracuse (losing SU will be a killer at the gate for the old guard in the league). Wait till you have to play @ St Johns and the garden is being used so you get to play in there high school gym in queens in front of 3K


Jackson

(08-11-2012 10:09 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(08-11-2012 09:53 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(08-11-2012 09:36 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  #2 What I have heard Huggins say is that winning on the road will be a lot tougher in Big 12 then in the Big East. Regardless of all the chest pounding in this thread, the Big East is home to several schools that have some of the worst home court advantages in among major basketball schools. Seton Hall, Providence, USF etc quickly come to mind as well as Depaul, who I and several others on this board have said in the past, has the worst homecourt advantage in terms of atmosphere among the BCS schools

Jackson

Because the Big 12 was forced to also take TCU Basketball, traveling to TEXAS and Oklahoma posts some easy road games (at TCU, at Texas Tech...and a now down A&M...plus both OU and OSU are down as well).

Big 12 just lost their #2 team in Mizzou.

One main reason why Providence or Depaul might have road conf home records is because THEY PLAY HOOPS in the BEST CONF in COLLEGE BASKETBALL.

Top competition tends to inflict losses on those less than them.

I'm afraid its not that simple. You've got schools that have small student bodies and off campus areanas. That's what makes a Marquette's fan base so damn impressive. Seton Hall seemingly has always had trouble drawing fans in the seats unless they were playing a regional power like Uconn or Syracuse (losing SU will be a killer at the gate for the old guard in the league). Wait till you have to play @ St Johns and the garden is being used so you get to play in there high school gym in queens in front of 3K


Jackson

You haven't made a single point to refute the OP, which was aimed at this comment by your coach:

"But top to bottom I think the Big 12 is better (than the Big East).''

(08-11-2012 10:56 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-11-2012 10:09 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(08-11-2012 09:53 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(08-11-2012 09:36 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  #2 What I have heard Huggins say is that winning on the road will be a lot tougher in Big 12 then in the Big East. Regardless of all the chest pounding in this thread, the Big East is home to several schools that have some of the worst home court advantages in among major basketball schools. Seton Hall, Providence, USF etc quickly come to mind as well as Depaul, who I and several others on this board have said in the past, has the worst homecourt advantage in terms of atmosphere among the BCS schools

Jackson

Because the Big 12 was forced to also take TCU Basketball, traveling to TEXAS and Oklahoma posts some easy road games (at TCU, at Texas Tech...and a now down A&M...plus both OU and OSU are down as well).

Big 12 just lost their #2 team in Mizzou.

One main reason why Providence or Depaul might have road conf home records is because THEY PLAY HOOPS in the BEST CONF in COLLEGE BASKETBALL.

Top competition tends to inflict losses on those less than them.

I'm afraid its not that simple. You've got schools that have small student bodies and off campus areanas. That's what makes a Marquette's fan base so damn impressive. Seton Hall seemingly has always had trouble drawing fans in the seats unless they were playing a regional power like Uconn or Syracuse (losing SU will be a killer at the gate for the old guard in the league). Wait till you have to play @ St Johns and the garden is being used so you get to play in there high school gym in queens in front of 3K


Jackson

You haven't made a single point to refute the OP, which was aimed at this comment by your coach:

"But top to bottom I think the Big 12 is better (than the Big East).''

Yeah...on this one...Jackson pulled off one of these: (in honor of the Olympics)

(08-11-2012 10:56 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(08-11-2012 10:09 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(08-11-2012 09:53 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(08-11-2012 09:36 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  #2 What I have heard Huggins say is that winning on the road will be a lot tougher in Big 12 then in the Big East. Regardless of all the chest pounding in this thread, the Big East is home to several schools that have some of the worst home court advantages in among major basketball schools. Seton Hall, Providence, USF etc quickly come to mind as well as Depaul, who I and several others on this board have said in the past, has the worst homecourt advantage in terms of atmosphere among the BCS schools

Jackson

Because the Big 12 was forced to also take TCU Basketball, traveling to TEXAS and Oklahoma posts some easy road games (at TCU, at Texas Tech...and a now down A&M...plus both OU and OSU are down as well).

Big 12 just lost their #2 team in Mizzou.

One main reason why Providence or Depaul might have road conf home records is because THEY PLAY HOOPS in the BEST CONF in COLLEGE BASKETBALL.

Top competition tends to inflict losses on those less than them.

I'm afraid its not that simple. You've got schools that have small student bodies and off campus areanas. That's what makes a Marquette's fan base so damn impressive. Seton Hall seemingly has always had trouble drawing fans in the seats unless they were playing a regional power like Uconn or Syracuse (losing SU will be a killer at the gate for the old guard in the league). Wait till you have to play @ St Johns and the garden is being used so you get to play in there high school gym in queens in front of 3K


Jackson

You haven't made a single point to refute the OP, which was aimed at this comment by your coach:

"But top to bottom I think the Big 12 is better (than the Big East).''

I'm not going to be able to refute a prediction on the future. Big East basketball took a hit. The future quality of the league will depend on how many Eastern kids stay at home. Understand though that the Big East has always had trouble keeping those kids out of the ACC in the past(one of the reasons the BE got out of the BE/ACC challenge). Now the ACC has a presence in New England, PA and NY. Which league are kids out of Balltimore or New Jersey going to want to play in? I expect signficant amount of the BE bball juice (recruiting/interest)will migrate to the ACC. Asfor the BE/B12 stuff, I don't think it is unreasonable to think the Big12 could offer a higher SOS most years based on some of the recent BE additions as well as the historical problems the Catholic schools have had putting fans in the seats and paying/keeping coachs. However, I know the days of the BE being the undusputed best year in and year out ended the second Syracuse switched to the ACC.

Jackson

(08-11-2012 10:09 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(08-11-2012 09:53 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(08-11-2012 09:36 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  #2 What I have heard Huggins say is that winning on the road will be a lot tougher in Big 12 then in the Big East. Regardless of all the chest pounding in this thread, the Big East is home to several schools that have some of the worst home court advantages in among major basketball schools. Seton Hall, Providence, USF etc quickly come to mind as well as Depaul, who I and several others on this board have said in the past, has the worst homecourt advantage in terms of atmosphere among the BCS schools

Jackson

Because the Big 12 was forced to also take TCU Basketball, traveling to TEXAS and Oklahoma posts some easy road games (at TCU, at Texas Tech...and a now down A&M...plus both OU and OSU are down as well).

Big 12 just lost their #2 team in Mizzou.

One main reason why Providence or Depaul might have road conf home records is because THEY PLAY HOOPS in the BEST CONF in COLLEGE BASKETBALL.

Top competition tends to inflict losses on those less than them.

I'm afraid its not that simple. You've got schools that have small student bodies and off campus areanas. That's what makes a Marquette's fan base so damn impressive. Seton Hall seemingly has always had trouble drawing fans in the seats unless they were playing a regional power like Uconn or Syracuse (losing SU will be a killer at the gate for the old guard in the league). Wait till you have to play @ St Johns and the garden is being used so you get to play in there high school gym in queens in front of 3K


Jackson

Syracuse: Helping the Catholic BE Schools gate since 1979.

We (Cuse fans) always hated when we had more prime time Saturday games away in the BE yearly...we were the biggest draw in the league for the vast majority of teams.

BTW, Huggins is wrong...even the depleted nnBE is slightly better than the B12. Remember you added TCU which is UCF at best.

(08-11-2012 05:47 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(08-11-2012 10:09 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(08-11-2012 09:53 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(08-11-2012 09:36 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  #2 What I have heard Huggins say is that winning on the road will be a lot tougher in Big 12 then in the Big East. Regardless of all the chest pounding in this thread, the Big East is home to several schools that have some of the worst home court advantages in among major basketball schools. Seton Hall, Providence, USF etc quickly come to mind as well as Depaul, who I and several others on this board have said in the past, has the worst homecourt advantage in terms of atmosphere among the BCS schools

Jackson

Because the Big 12 was forced to also take TCU Basketball, traveling to TEXAS and Oklahoma posts some easy road games (at TCU, at Texas Tech...and a now down A&M...plus both OU and OSU are down as well).

Big 12 just lost their #2 team in Mizzou.

One main reason why Providence or Depaul might have road conf home records is because THEY PLAY HOOPS in the BEST CONF in COLLEGE BASKETBALL.

Top competition tends to inflict losses on those less than them.

I'm afraid its not that simple. You've got schools that have small student bodies and off campus areanas. That's what makes a Marquette's fan base so damn impressive. Seton Hall seemingly has always had trouble drawing fans in the seats unless they were playing a regional power like Uconn or Syracuse (losing SU will be a killer at the gate for the old guard in the league). Wait till you have to play @ St Johns and the garden is being used so you get to play in there high school gym in queens in front of 3K


Jackson

Syracuse: Helping the Catholic BE Schools gate since 1979.

We (Cuse fans) always hated when we had more prime time Saturday games away in the BE yearly...we were the biggest draw in the league for the vast majority of teams.

BTW, Huggins is wrong...even the depleted nnBE is slightly better than the B12. Remember you added TCU which is UCF at best.

Haha....I'm sure they appreciated it.

UCF basketball is getting better each year, and they were on the bubble last year. TCU is just bad. TCU and SMU are more comparable.