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RE: O/T: CMU to set FB attendance record vs MSU
(08-18-2012 11:35 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(08-18-2012 11:18 AM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  
(08-10-2012 06:56 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  It makes NO FINANCIAL sense for MSU to travel, what 40 miles? to Mt. Pleasant and Ypsilanti to play CMU and EMU in football, but they realize what a great event it is for those schools/communities. What an absolutely great gesture by MSU, something that U-M would NEVER ever consider. How many of those 35,000 in attendance, who would otherwise not attend a CMU game, have a great time and become a regular customer? It is a great opportunity to win some new fans.

Actually, MSU is more unique then you think.Few programs would consider what MSU is doing. Not Notre Dame, SC, or Bama. Nor would OSU, FSU, Florida, LSU, PSU, or Nebraska. The only “big time" programs I can remember going to a MAC stadium are Colorado, Boise State, and Syracuse. OSU played Toledo in the Cleveland Browns Stadium.

Michigan is going to play Connecticut at Connecticut next year(Thanks, Bill Martin) so they are going to be playing a small venue.

My question: WHY? (there must be a reason)
Why what, Steve? Why UM is playing at UCONN or why no big time schools will play at smaller schools stadiums? The latter is because of simple economics: smaller capacity plus less revenue equals a no-go. You have to remember that these programs are the main revenue generators for these large schools. Most are not willing to undertake a loss like MSU will in going to a CMU or EMU. Hollis has attempted to balance this out by playing basketball games on aircraft carriers, playing 8 home game schedules, etc. MSU has the benefit of an elite basketball program that can generate money on its own. Most schools only have one or the other. It most be noted that MSU is barely making enough money to break even while UM is flush with cash. MSU is trying to undercut UM’s image by doing these 3-for-1’s for instate schools and thus win over some fans to their side. It’s obvious that these games are essentially public relations games. Hollis is using EMU to hurt UM, not because he cares so much about EMU athletics. He really could not care less about Eastern. UM and MSU are engaged in a Cold War of sorts and EMU is the tiny country in that struggle.

The former is happening because Bill Martin foolishly agreed to a home-and-home in order to schedule UCONN for the 2010 home opener.
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RE: O/T: CMU to set FB attendance record vs MSU
(08-18-2012 11:57 AM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  
(08-18-2012 11:35 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(08-18-2012 11:18 AM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  
(08-10-2012 06:56 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  It makes NO FINANCIAL sense for MSU to travel, what 40 miles? to Mt. Pleasant and Ypsilanti to play CMU and EMU in football, but they realize what a great event it is for those schools/communities. What an absolutely great gesture by MSU, something that U-M would NEVER ever consider. How many of those 35,000 in attendance, who would otherwise not attend a CMU game, have a great time and become a regular customer? It is a great opportunity to win some new fans.

Actually, MSU is more unique then you think.Few programs would consider what MSU is doing. Not Notre Dame, SC, or Bama. Nor would OSU, FSU, Florida, LSU, PSU, or Nebraska. The only “big time" programs I can remember going to a MAC stadium are Colorado, Boise State, and Syracuse. OSU played Toledo in the Cleveland Browns Stadium.

Michigan is going to play Connecticut at Connecticut next year(Thanks, Bill Martin) so they are going to be playing a small venue.

My question: WHY? (there must be a reason)
Why what, Steve? Why UM is playing at UCONN or why no big time schools will play at smaller schools stadiums? The latter is because of simple economics: smaller capacity plus less revenue equals a no-go. You have to remember that these programs are the main revenue generators of these large schools. Most are not willing to undertake a loss like MSU will in going to a CMU or EMU. Hollis has attempted to balance this out by playing basketball games on aircraft carriers. MSU has the benefit of an elite basketball program that can generate money on its own. Most schools only have one or the other. It most be noted that MSU is barely making enough money to break even while UM is flush with cash. MSU is trying to undercut UM’s image by doing these 3-for-1’s for instate schools and thus win over some fans to their side. It’s obvious that these games are essentially public relations games. Hollis is using EMU to hurt UM, not because he cares so much about EMU athletics. He really could not care less about Eastern. UM and MSU are engaged in a Cold War and EMU is the tiny country in that struggle.

The former is happening because Bill Martin foolishly agreed to a home-and-home in order to schedule UCONN for the 2010 home opener.

My question was why UConn... and you answered it.
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RE: O/T: CMU to set FB attendance record vs MSU
(08-18-2012 11:57 AM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  
(08-18-2012 11:35 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(08-18-2012 11:18 AM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  
(08-10-2012 06:56 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  It makes NO FINANCIAL sense for MSU to travel, what 40 miles? to Mt. Pleasant and Ypsilanti to play CMU and EMU in football, but they realize what a great event it is for those schools/communities. What an absolutely great gesture by MSU, something that U-M would NEVER ever consider. How many of those 35,000 in attendance, who would otherwise not attend a CMU game, have a great time and become a regular customer? It is a great opportunity to win some new fans.

Actually, MSU is more unique then you think.Few programs would consider what MSU is doing. Not Notre Dame, SC, or Bama. Nor would OSU, FSU, Florida, LSU, PSU, or Nebraska. The only “big time" programs I can remember going to a MAC stadium are Colorado, Boise State, and Syracuse. OSU played Toledo in the Cleveland Browns Stadium.

Michigan is going to play Connecticut at Connecticut next year(Thanks, Bill Martin) so they are going to be playing a small venue.

My question: WHY? (there must be a reason)
Why what, Steve? Why UM is playing at UCONN or why no big time schools will play at smaller schools stadiums? The latter is because of simple economics: smaller capacity plus less revenue equals a no-go. You have to remember that these programs are the main revenue generators of these large schools. Most are not willing to undertake a loss like MSU will in going to a CMU or EMU. Hollis has attempted to balance this out by playing basketball games on aircraft carriers. MSU has the benefit of an elite basketball program that can generate money on its own. Most schools only have one or the other. It most be noted that MSU is barely making enough money to break even while UM is flush with cash. MSU is trying to undercut UM’s image by doing these 3-for-1’s for instate schools and thus win over some fans to their side. It’s obvious that these games are essentially public relations games. Hollis is using EMU to hurt UM, not because he cares so much about EMU athletics. He really could not care less about Eastern. UM and MSU are engaged in a Cold War and EMU is the tiny country in that struggle.

The former is happening because Bill Martin foolishly agreed to a home-and-home in order to schedule UCONN for the 2010 home opener.
Damn that's cynical. You may be right, but growing up in the shadow of MSU's campus, I can tell you that Michigan State's mindset is light years away from University of Michigan's. I like to believe that MSU's decision to travel to MAC campuses isn't only to promote their brand, I think that Mark Hollis is a good, decent guy and it is not all about the almighty $. In the grand scheme of things...it's just sports. Go EMU! (and MSU).
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RE: O/T: CMU to set FB attendance record vs MSU
(08-18-2012 11:18 AM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  
(08-10-2012 06:56 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  It makes NO FINANCIAL sense for MSU to travel, what 40 miles? to Mt. Pleasant and Ypsilanti to play CMU and EMU in football, but they realize what a great event it is for those schools/communities. What an absolutely great gesture by MSU, something that U-M would NEVER ever consider. How many of those 35,000 in attendance, who would otherwise not attend a CMU game, have a great time and become a regular customer? It is a great opportunity to win some new fans.

Actually, MSU is more unique then you think.Few programs would consider what MSU is doing. Not Notre Dame, SC, or Bama. Nor would OSU, FSU, Florida, LSU, PSU, or Nebraska. The only “big time" programs I can remember going to a MAC stadium are Colorado, Boise State, and Syracuse. OSU played Toledo in the Cleveland Browns Stadium.

Toledo also hosted #9 Pittsburgh (w/ Larry Fitzgerald) at the Glass Bowl as well. And will get Miami (Florida) in the Glass Bowl in 3 years and Missouri in 2 years at the Glass Bowl.
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RE: O/T: CMU to set FB attendance record vs MSU
(08-10-2012 08:29 AM)EA3 Wrote:  1. 36,502, NIU at UT, 2001
2. 36,102, CMU at WMU, 1999
3. 35,107, NIU at WMU, 1998
4. 34,900, MAR at UT, 2000
5. 33,537, KSU at MAR, 2003
6. 33,527, UT at BGSU, 1983
7. 33,272, CMU at WMU,1989
8. 33,204, MIA at MAR, 1998
9. 32,285, CMU at WMU, 1988
10. 32,255, CMU at WMU, 1980

The number one game should read 36,502 NAVY at UT 2001. Not NIU.
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RE: O/T: CMU to set FB attendance record vs MSU
(08-18-2012 06:51 PM)utpotts Wrote:  
(08-10-2012 08:29 AM)EA3 Wrote:  1. 36,502, NIU at UT, 2001
2. 36,102, CMU at WMU, 1999
3. 35,107, NIU at WMU, 1998
4. 34,900, MAR at UT, 2000
5. 33,537, KSU at MAR, 2003
6. 33,527, UT at BGSU, 1983
7. 33,272, CMU at WMU,1989
8. 33,204, MIA at MAR, 1998
9. 32,285, CMU at WMU, 1988
10. 32,255, CMU at WMU, 1980

The number one game should read 36,502 NAVY at UT 2001. Not NIU.

Good catch.
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RE: O/T: CMU to set FB attendance record vs MSU
(08-18-2012 06:21 PM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  
(08-18-2012 11:57 AM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  
(08-18-2012 11:35 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(08-18-2012 11:18 AM)wolverineeagle Wrote:  
(08-10-2012 06:56 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote:  It makes NO FINANCIAL sense for MSU to travel, what 40 miles? to Mt. Pleasant and Ypsilanti to play CMU and EMU in football, but they realize what a great event it is for those schools/communities. What an absolutely great gesture by MSU, something that U-M would NEVER ever consider. How many of those 35,000 in attendance, who would otherwise not attend a CMU game, have a great time and become a regular customer? It is a great opportunity to win some new fans.

Actually, MSU is more unique then you think.Few programs would consider what MSU is doing. Not Notre Dame, SC, or Bama. Nor would OSU, FSU, Florida, LSU, PSU, or Nebraska. The only “big time" programs I can remember going to a MAC stadium are Colorado, Boise State, and Syracuse. OSU played Toledo in the Cleveland Browns Stadium.

Michigan is going to play Connecticut at Connecticut next year(Thanks, Bill Martin) so they are going to be playing a small venue.

My question: WHY? (there must be a reason)
Why what, Steve? Why UM is playing at UCONN or why no big time schools will play at smaller schools stadiums? The latter is because of simple economics: smaller capacity plus less revenue equals a no-go. You have to remember that these programs are the main revenue generators of these large schools. Most are not willing to undertake a loss like MSU will in going to a CMU or EMU. Hollis has attempted to balance this out by playing basketball games on aircraft carriers. MSU has the benefit of an elite basketball program that can generate money on its own. Most schools only have one or the other. It most be noted that MSU is barely making enough money to break even while UM is flush with cash. MSU is trying to undercut UM’s image by doing these 3-for-1’s for instate schools and thus win over some fans to their side. It’s obvious that these games are essentially public relations games. Hollis is using EMU to hurt UM, not because he cares so much about EMU athletics. He really could not care less about Eastern. UM and MSU are engaged in a Cold War and EMU is the tiny country in that struggle.

The former is happening because Bill Martin foolishly agreed to a home-and-home in order to schedule UCONN for the 2010 home opener.
Damn that's cynical. You may be right, but growing up in the shadow of MSU's campus, I can tell you that Michigan State's mindset is light years away from University of Michigan's. I like to believe that MSU's decision to travel to MAC campuses isn't only to promote their brand, I think that Mark Hollis is a good, decent guy and it is not all about the almighty $. In the grand scheme of things...it's just sports. Go EMU! (and MSU).

MSU is no different, Bob.For the past two decades MSU has made a series plush to upgrade its facilities and academic programs. It now is a top 50-75 school because of that. Hollis is doing what Brandon is doing--actually, he is PUSHING Brandon. Do recall that it was Hollis who did the first outdoor hockey game. Now add the Carrier Classic, the friday night Boise game, retro units, etc. Hollis is looking for ways to sell MSU’s brand. That isn’t a bad thing, Bob, it is the smart thing to do. EMU needs to do whatever they can in this field. Granted, they have very limited means, but they ought borrow from minor league teams--if they are not doing so already. NCAA athletic programs are a business. Dave Brandon or Mark Hollis are not bad people because they want to publicize their brand. Far from it. I can guarantee you Gragg is doing the same thing at EMU. So long they do so in an ethical way--I believe both are doing so--then I have no issue with it. Go Green! Go Blue!
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