By Don Van Natta Jr. | ESPN.com
Updated: August 6, 2012

A Penn State board of trustee member filed an appeal Monday afternoon with the NCAA over sanctions levied against the university after the Jerry Sandusky child sex-abuse scandal.

Three other trustees joined the appeal, which states that the consent decree university president Rodney Erickson signed with the NCAA agreeing to the sanctions is "null and void" because Erickson "lacked the legal authority" to enter into such an agreement without the board's approval.

Trustees and a person with first-hand knowledge of the discussions said the move is a precursor to a federal lawsuit asking a judge to invalidate the sanctions, because trustees expect the NCAA to reject the appeal.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...al-lawsuit

Wow! Talk about being out of touch.

The backlash from that will be HUGE. They just dont get it. About ready to tell them to shut down the program for 5 years. Although that will devestate the local economy.

This is one that as much as there is an argument about collateral damage. You really come of looking terrible to argue against the punishment. I think Penn State is in a no win situation.....much like those kids..........So shut up and take it.............

There appeal will lose and of course some judge with discretionary authority will say that punishing everyone is toooooo much.....and block the NCAA ruling.....then it is back in Penn States corner to self impose the sanctions.....or does anyone really care that much when it comes to State football in Pennsylvania....

So shut up and take it STATE and now you know how those kids feel....Punitive....perhaps.....but please no slap on the wrist here....I am sorry JOE PA made his decision as he did and others made their decision as they did.....but PENN STATE put them in charge......and their greatest charge is to do what is right for others over a sport......Children first...then business......I am sorry for some that will be hurt.....but our history is full of that...

So Shut UP AND TAKE IT.......your college deserves it!

Just pathetic . . PSU just needs to accept the punishment . . what happened on the PSU campus is sickening . . PSU thinks they are above the law . . SHAME ON PSU !!

I hope they get what is coming for them, those same board members are lucky that they are clear from criminal prosecution. The NCAA should turn around and give them a 4 year death penalty for all sports for the audacity to appeal the penalties.

(08-07-2012 01:34 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  I hope they get what is coming for them, those same board members are lucky that they are clear from criminal prosecution. The NCAA should turn around and give them a 4 year death penalty for all sports for the audacity to appeal the penalties.

...and then PSU would sue them....and win.

(08-07-2012 01:35 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(08-07-2012 01:34 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  I hope they get what is coming for them, those same board members are lucky that they are clear from criminal prosecution. The NCAA should turn around and give them a 4 year death penalty for all sports for the audacity to appeal the penalties.

...and then PSU would sue them....and win.

Just like UL did when we recieved the death penalty. We had the nerve to challenge the NCAA for severe punishment and it resulted in the death penalty. That university has a lot more to worry about than it's sports program. This wasn't just a Joe Pa coverup, it went all the way to the very same trustee members covering this disghusting crime up for over a decade. That school should burn to the ground IMO.

(08-07-2012 01:44 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(08-07-2012 01:35 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(08-07-2012 01:34 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  I hope they get what is coming for them, those same board members are lucky that they are clear from criminal prosecution. The NCAA should turn around and give them a 4 year death penalty for all sports for the audacity to appeal the penalties.

...and then PSU would sue them....and win.

Just like UL did when we recieved the death penalty. We had the nerve to challenge the NCAA for severe punishment and it resulted in the death penalty.

?

You received the death penalty for extreme violations of NCAA recruiting guidelines - some the NCAA has clear jurisdiction over. If you sued over that, you set yourself up to lose.

(08-07-2012 03:00 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(08-07-2012 01:44 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(08-07-2012 01:35 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(08-07-2012 01:34 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  I hope they get what is coming for them, those same board members are lucky that they are clear from criminal prosecution. The NCAA should turn around and give them a 4 year death penalty for all sports for the audacity to appeal the penalties.

...and then PSU would sue them....and win.

Just like UL did when we recieved the death penalty. We had the nerve to challenge the NCAA for severe punishment and it resulted in the death penalty.

?

You received the death penalty for extreme violations of NCAA recruiting guidelines - some the NCAA has clear jurisdiction over. If you sued over that, you set yourself up to lose.

Here is a little more insight to our death penalty.

http://lightsoutinblackham.com/

(08-07-2012 03:28 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(08-07-2012 03:00 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(08-07-2012 01:44 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(08-07-2012 01:35 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(08-07-2012 01:34 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  I hope they get what is coming for them, those same board members are lucky that they are clear from criminal prosecution. The NCAA should turn around and give them a 4 year death penalty for all sports for the audacity to appeal the penalties.

...and then PSU would sue them....and win.

Just like UL did when we recieved the death penalty. We had the nerve to challenge the NCAA for severe punishment and it resulted in the death penalty.

?

You received the death penalty for extreme violations of NCAA recruiting guidelines - some the NCAA has clear jurisdiction over. If you sued over that, you set yourself up to lose.

Here is a little more insight to our death penalty.

http://lightsoutinblackham.com/

I'm sorry, was I supposed to sort through that site and find something relevant? I really don't care about the specifics other than to know that it was recruiting/eligibility based sanctions. That is not the case here, which is why PSU would win any lawsuit.

Why do you think the NCAA went to the trouble to get the PSU president to sign a "consent decree"? Why would they care if he consented or not? Do they ever care if a school being sanctioned "consents"?

The answer is because the problems here do not fall under NCAA jurisdiction, and they were trying to avoid a lawsuit.

(08-07-2012 04:02 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(08-07-2012 03:28 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(08-07-2012 03:00 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(08-07-2012 01:44 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(08-07-2012 01:35 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  ...and then PSU would sue them....and win.

Just like UL did when we recieved the death penalty. We had the nerve to challenge the NCAA for severe punishment and it resulted in the death penalty.

?

You received the death penalty for extreme violations of NCAA recruiting guidelines - some the NCAA has clear jurisdiction over. If you sued over that, you set yourself up to lose.

Here is a little more insight to our death penalty.

http://lightsoutinblackham.com/

I'm sorry, was I supposed to sort through that site and find something relevant? I really don't care about the specifics other than to know that it was recruiting/eligibility based sanctions. That is not the case here, which is why PSU would win any lawsuit.

Why do you think the NCAA went to the trouble to get the PSU president to sign a "consent decree"? Why would they care if he consented or not? Do they ever care if a school being sanctioned "consents"?

The answer is because the problems here do not fall under NCAA jurisdiction, and they were trying to avoid a lawsuit.

So based on your comments, you think PSU will win and have reduced sanctions?

That school will be decimated by civil lawsuits and in all honesty will be very lucky to survive in the same fashion they exist in now. Yes, they fired "all" who were complicit in this crime, but IMO they should close the doors to that place.

Penn State hasnt even begun to have the screws applied. Not only would any victory in court over the NCAA be minor (if any) the penalties that they could be charged with would be maximized.

Second, but not least, the Big Ten could act. As severely as expelling Penn State. It's not out of the question and there's no court that can order them not to do so.
Penn State's revenue to the Big Ten can be replaced with Rutgers. I dont think it would get that far, but its possible.

Lastly, Penn State needs this to go away. And to be able to move on. I get the sinking suspicion that the longer this drags out, the more putrid the facts will be revealed to be. Yup, I suspect this gets worse.

Penn State hasnt even begun to have the screws applied. Not only would any victory in court over the NCAA be minor (if any) the penalties that they could be charged with would be maximized.

Second, but not least, the Big Ten could act. As severely as expelling Penn State. It's not out of the question and there's no court that can order them not to do so.
Penn State's revenue to the Big Ten can be replaced with Rutgers. I dont think it would get that far, but its possible.

Lastly, Penn State needs this to go away. And to be able to move on. I get the sinking suspicion that the longer this drags out, the more putrid the facts will be revealed to be. Yup, I suspect this gets worse.

(08-07-2012 01:44 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(08-07-2012 01:35 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(08-07-2012 01:34 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  I hope they get what is coming for them, those same board members are lucky that they are clear from criminal prosecution. The NCAA should turn around and give them a 4 year death penalty for all sports for the audacity to appeal the penalties.

...and then PSU would sue them....and win.

Just like UL did when we recieved the death penalty. We had the nerve to challenge the NCAA for severe punishment and it resulted in the death penalty. That university has a lot more to worry about than it's sports program. This wasn't just a Joe Pa coverup, it went all the way to the very same trustee members covering this disghusting crime up for over a decade. That school should burn to the ground IMO.

All cheaters should be severely punished by the NCAA, including ULL. You guys got the death penalty because the ULL coaches were caught CHEATING!!! As far as I'm concerned, Penn State should be banned from college athletics for at least a decade. What happened there is far, far, worse than what happened at ULL.

(08-07-2012 05:07 PM)BRtransplant Wrote:  

(08-07-2012 01:44 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  

(08-07-2012 01:35 PM)Panthersville Wrote:  

(08-07-2012 01:34 PM)geauxcajuns Wrote:  I hope they get what is coming for them, those same board members are lucky that they are clear from criminal prosecution. The NCAA should turn around and give them a 4 year death penalty for all sports for the audacity to appeal the penalties.

...and then PSU would sue them....and win.

Just like UL did when we recieved the death penalty. We had the nerve to challenge the NCAA for severe punishment and it resulted in the death penalty. That university has a lot more to worry about than it's sports program. This wasn't just a Joe Pa coverup, it went all the way to the very same trustee members covering this disghusting crime up for over a decade. That school should burn to the ground IMO.

All cheaters should be severely punished by the NCAA, including ULL. You guys got the death penalty because the ULL coaches were caught CHEATING!!! As far as I'm concerned, Penn State should be banned from college athletics for at least a decade. What happened there is far, far, worse than what happened at ULL.

what's your take on blog pimping?

you seem like a law and order kinda guy.

1st. Very simply, these guys don't have standing to file any appeal. Unless they get a majority vote by the BOT, this is the same as a group of fans appealing on behalf of a university to the NCAA. That avenue has failed time and time again.

2nd. Stop with the "NCAA does not have jurisdiction" crap. They have jurisdiction to act on this. It falls under the blanket ethics clause that are in pretty much any association contract. They may have never used it before, but they technically do have the ability to do so. It might be unprecedented, but they did act within the letter of their bylaws and charter.

3rd. Don't try to use the lack of due process argument either. The NCAA is a private institution and does not have the follow due process. To go a step further, they did follow the requirements set forth in their bylaws, they just did not due this through the lower committee, the committee on infractions, and instead did it at a much higher level that involved more, not less people.

4th. Give up on argument by the Paterno's about the win record as well. The wins or losses are a part of the university, not the individual. The Paterno's lack standing because they did not have individual sanctions placed against them. The university did. Just because the Paterno's where profiting from the wins and losses over a period of time of the university, does not mean that they have grounds if those wins are taken away.

If people are looking at organizations to sue, PSU is the most easier, not more culpable target. Going after the NCAA without the support of the university as a whole is pointless.

(08-07-2012 05:04 PM)AlaIllTex Wrote:  Penn State hasnt even begun to have the screws applied. Not only would any victory in court over the NCAA be minor (if any) the penalties that they could be charged with would be maximized.

Second, but not least, the Big Ten could act. As severely as expelling Penn State. It's not out of the question and there's no court that can order them not to do so.
Penn State's revenue to the Big Ten can be replaced with Rutgers. I dont think it would get that far, but its possible.

Lastly, Penn State needs this to go away. And to be able to move on. I get the sinking suspicion that the longer this drags out, the more putrid the facts will be revealed to be. Yup, I suspect this gets worse.

I agree that the Big Ten could drop the hammer on them - and they would have been the appropriate party to do all of this.

As for the NCAA jurisdiction, look at the clauses that they pointed to as giving them jurisdiction - they twisting they had to do to squeeze authority out of those bylaws was some Bill Clinton himself would be proud of.

(08-08-2012 11:30 AM)laxtonto Wrote:  1st. Very simply, these guys don't have standing to file any appeal. Unless they get a majority vote by the BOT, this is the same as a group of fans appealing on behalf of a university to the NCAA. That avenue has failed time and time again.

2nd. Stop with the "NCAA does not have jurisdiction" crap. They have jurisdiction to act on this. It falls under the blanket ethics clause that are in pretty much any association contract. They may have never used it before, but they technically do have the ability to do so. It might be unprecedented, but they did act within the letter of their bylaws and charter.

3rd. Don't try to use the lack of due process argument either. The NCAA is a private institution and does not have the follow due process. To go a step further, they did follow the requirements set forth in their bylaws, they just did not due this through the lower committee, the committee on infractions, and instead did it at a much higher level that involved more, not less people.

4th. Give up on argument by the Paterno's about the win record as well. The wins or losses are a part of the university, not the individual. The Paterno's lack standing because they did not have individual sanctions placed against them. The university did. Just because the Paterno's where profiting from the wins and losses over a period of time of the university, does not mean that they have grounds if those wins are taken away.

If people are looking at organizations to sue, PSU is the most easier, not more culpable target. Going after the NCAA without the support of the university as a whole is pointless.

Saved me a reply. Good job!