(07-31-2012 03:32 PM)TopayVT Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 03:04 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 02:44 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  IIRC, Clemson and South Carolina have a similar scheduling requirement in that they have to host one of the in-state FCS schools each season.

I have no problem with VT hosting Liberty...

We don't have to host an in state FCS.

We usually try to get one that is somewhat local. We had northeastern a few yrs ago though.

At VT, the deciding factor is money. We are notoriously cheap. So we get the cheapest opponent we can.

As a Hokie, I like the thought of hosting an in-state FCS team. Of course, I can understand JMU and Richmond not being on our schedule. But if we're gonna throw $400k to a school, why not a VA one, like Liberty /William & Mary / Norfolk State - as long as it counts toward bowl eligibility?

Welcome to the board Topay VT

Thank you! And thanks for the opinions about our playing VA-based FCS teams (it didn't dawn on me that other schools were paying them more than we would like to pay).

With ODU set to start Conference USA play in a few years, I wonder if we can get some games going with them before too long.

(07-31-2012 09:33 PM)TopayVT Wrote:  Thank you! And thanks for the opinions about our playing VA-based FCS teams (it didn't dawn on me that other schools were paying them more than we would like to pay).

With ODU set to start Conference USA play in a few years, I wonder if we can get some games going with them before too long.

1) Welcome again.
2) w/o getting into VA politics, I know that living here in SC the two FBS schools both have a policy to play one in-state FCS annually as a means of subsidizing the smaller schools (thus saving the state some tax $$$, in theory).

(07-31-2012 07:21 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 07:09 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 04:46 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 04:30 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 03:41 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  Schools like W&M, Richmond, JMU etc can usually make more money playing another FBS team.

It isn't that we wouldn't schedule the in state schools. We just won't pay the going rate for them.

There has been some pushback from the VTech LGBT community about how VTech isn't properly shunning Liberty like it should.

Really?

I doubt that. So far I haven't even heard that they are protesting the Chic fil a on campus.

http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2012/0...liberty-u/

I'm not sure I really agree with this. I know several gays that go to or have gone to Liberty.

It is just a football game.

Are we prepared to turn down invites to the Chick fil a bowl and cancel the game with Alabama as well?

Whether or not it's a legitimate concern is a different story. It seems that anytime a school willingly crosses paths with Liberty, controversy follows. Maybe it's just not worth the hassle to deal with them when you have ODU, UR, W&M, JMU, etc that would LOVE to play the Hokies.

(07-31-2012 09:47 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 07:21 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 07:09 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 04:46 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 04:30 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  There has been some pushback from the VTech LGBT community about how VTech isn't properly shunning Liberty like it should.

Really?

I doubt that. So far I haven't even heard that they are protesting the Chic fil a on campus.

http://blogs.roanoke.com/dancasey/2012/0...liberty-u/

I'm not sure I really agree with this. I know several gays that go to or have gone to Liberty.

It is just a football game.

Are we prepared to turn down invites to the Chick fil a bowl and cancel the game with Alabama as well?

Whether or not it's a legitimate concern is a different story. It seems that anytime a school willingly crosses paths with Liberty, controversy follows. Maybe it's just not worth the hassle to deal with them when you have ODU, UR, W&M, JMU, etc that would LOVE to play the Hokies.

The thing about a lot of VA teams is that they are closer to NC schools than they are VT.

W&M, Richmond, etc are staples on UNC, Duke, NCSU, UVA, and Wake schedules. So we aren't the only option for them to play.

We have the most history with VMI but they aren't competitive anymore.

http://www.bangordailynews.com/2012/07/3...s-in-2013/

Article out of Maine today detailing that UMaine will get paid $350k to play at BC in 2012, $400k to play at Northwestern in 2013, and "less than" $200k to play UMass at Foxboro in 2013. Suggests VT's payouts are in line for their FCS foes.

Perhaps VA Politicians don't want to institute a policy like SC's because our two FBS teams have a higher tendancy to lose to the FCS teams.

For UVA, losing to William & Mary was the beginning of the end for Al Groh. For us, losing to JMU was clearly a fluke set off by a combination of a tough emotional loss to Boise just 5 days before, poor game preparation, and overlooking an "inferior" opponent. We also lost to Richmond once in the '80s, but that was before Beamer arrived and made us the program we are today.

Even so, I can't blame UVA and VT for looking elsewhere for FCS games, though I admit UVA does a lot better in providing that "subsidy" to our fellow in-state schools (Charlottesville's geography also plays a role in that, I'm sure).

Didn't Virginia Tech lose to James Madison recently?

Liberty isn't a pushover, so watch out.

(08-01-2012 08:26 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Didn't Virginia Tech lose to James Madison recently?

Liberty isn't a pushover, so watch out.

Liberty also upgraded coaches, with Danny Rocco leaving for Richmond & Liberty picking up Turner Gill.

(08-01-2012 08:26 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Didn't Virginia Tech lose to James Madison recently?

Liberty isn't a pushover, so watch out.

Yes, VT lost to JMU in 2010, on 9/11 no less...

I think TopayVT is correct as far as the factors leading up to that loss, though I would add that since the Boise St game was played at night in Landover, the team really only had 4 days to prep for JMU.

Even so, if not for the offense settling for 3 field goals... and giving away 3 turnovers... or the defense LAYING a stinking EGG! ...we should have won that game.

(I'm ok now)

(08-01-2012 09:51 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-01-2012 08:26 AM)TampaKnight Wrote:  Didn't Virginia Tech lose to James Madison recently?

Liberty isn't a pushover, so watch out.

Yes, VT lost to JMU in 2010, on 9/11 no less...

I think TopayVT is correct as far as the factors leading up to that loss, though I would add that since the Boise St game was played at night in Landover, the team really only had 4 days to prep for JMU.

Even so, if not for the offense settling for 3 field goals... and giving away 3 turnovers... or the defense LAYING a stinking EGG! ...we should have won that game.

(I'm ok now)

Playing midnight in DC on Monday and losing a close one at the end was pretty emotional and physically draining. Then they didn't practice Tuesday or Friday. So they had two days of practice.

Then in addition to our disinterest and lack of preparation, it was raining.

The whole situation sucked. If we could have kept the Boise game as it was originally scheduled, I think we win both those games.

(07-31-2012 04:30 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 03:41 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 03:32 PM)TopayVT Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 03:04 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 02:44 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  IIRC, Clemson and South Carolina have a similar scheduling requirement in that they have to host one of the in-state FCS schools each season.

I have no problem with VT hosting Liberty...

We don't have to host an in state FCS.

We usually try to get one that is somewhat local. We had northeastern a few yrs ago though.

At VT, the deciding factor is money. We are notoriously cheap. So we get the cheapest opponent we can.

As a Hokie, I like the thought of hosting an in-state FCS team. Of course, I can understand JMU and Richmond not being on our schedule. But if we're gonna throw $400k to a school, why not a VA one, like Liberty /William & Mary / Norfolk State - as long as it counts toward bowl eligibility?

Schools like W&M, Richmond, JMU etc can usually make more money playing another FBS team.

It isn't that we wouldn't schedule the in state schools. We just won't pay the going rate for them.

There has been some pushback from the VTech LGBT community about how VTech isn't properly shunning Liberty like it should.

Just to clarify, does LGBT community mean Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transvestite community. I've never seen that abbreviation before.

Yep, with one difference for the "T", which stands for Transgender.

I remember the LGBT Association at VT was fairly vocal, but not necessarily forcing things on the community. I can imagine the group showing opposition to playing Liberty, but not necessarily going to extremes to get the game cancelled.

(08-01-2012 11:48 AM)TopayVT Wrote:  Yep, with one difference for the "T", which stands for Transgender.

I remember the LGBT Association at VT was fairly vocal, but not necessarily forcing things on the community. I can imagine the group showing opposition to playing Liberty, but not necessarily going to extremes to get the game cancelled.

Isn't the better solution to beat the crap out of Liberty on the football field?

(07-31-2012 04:30 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 03:41 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 03:32 PM)TopayVT Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 03:04 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 02:44 PM)ecuacc4ever Wrote:  IIRC, Clemson and South Carolina have a similar scheduling requirement in that they have to host one of the in-state FCS schools each season.

I have no problem with VT hosting Liberty...

We don't have to host an in state FCS.

We usually try to get one that is somewhat local. We had northeastern a few yrs ago though.

At VT, the deciding factor is money. We are notoriously cheap. So we get the cheapest opponent we can.

As a Hokie, I like the thought of hosting an in-state FCS team. Of course, I can understand JMU and Richmond not being on our schedule. But if we're gonna throw $400k to a school, why not a VA one, like Liberty /William & Mary / Norfolk State - as long as it counts toward bowl eligibility?

Schools like W&M, Richmond, JMU etc can usually make more money playing another FBS team.

It isn't that we wouldn't schedule the in state schools. We just won't pay the going rate for them.

There has been some pushback from the VTech LGBT community about how VTech isn't properly shunning Liberty like it should.

Why should they shun them?

(08-01-2012 12:23 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 04:30 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 03:41 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 03:32 PM)TopayVT Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 03:04 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  We don't have to host an in state FCS.

We usually try to get one that is somewhat local. We had northeastern a few yrs ago though.

At VT, the deciding factor is money. We are notoriously cheap. So we get the cheapest opponent we can.

As a Hokie, I like the thought of hosting an in-state FCS team. Of course, I can understand JMU and Richmond not being on our schedule. But if we're gonna throw $400k to a school, why not a VA one, like Liberty /William & Mary / Norfolk State - as long as it counts toward bowl eligibility?

Schools like W&M, Richmond, JMU etc can usually make more money playing another FBS team.

It isn't that we wouldn't schedule the in state schools. We just won't pay the going rate for them.

There has been some pushback from the VTech LGBT community about how VTech isn't properly shunning Liberty like it should.

Why should they shun them?

Liberty was founded by Jerry Falwell. He had some pretty harsh views on homosexuality. Liberty itself doesn't allow homosexuality among many many other things. You aren't allowed to see an R rated movie while at Liberty for instance. You aren't allowed to have the opposite sex over to your dorm.

(08-01-2012 01:16 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(08-01-2012 12:23 PM)samandrea Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 04:30 PM)AtlanticLeague Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 03:41 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(07-31-2012 03:32 PM)TopayVT Wrote:  As a Hokie, I like the thought of hosting an in-state FCS team. Of course, I can understand JMU and Richmond not being on our schedule. But if we're gonna throw $400k to a school, why not a VA one, like Liberty /William & Mary / Norfolk State - as long as it counts toward bowl eligibility?

Schools like W&M, Richmond, JMU etc can usually make more money playing another FBS team.

It isn't that we wouldn't schedule the in state schools. We just won't pay the going rate for them.

There has been some pushback from the VTech LGBT community about how VTech isn't properly shunning Liberty like it should.

Why should they shun them?

Liberty was founded by Jerry Falwell. He had some pretty harsh views on homosexuality. Liberty itself doesn't allow homosexuality among many many other things. You aren't allowed to see an R rated movie while at Liberty for instance. You aren't allowed to have the opposite sex over to your dorm.

Right, so they're closet gay. No homosexuality but no heterosexuality in the dorm rooms. That makes a hell of a lot of sense.

(08-01-2012 11:48 AM)TopayVT Wrote:  Yep, with one difference for the "T", which stands for Transgender.

I remember the LGBT Association at VT was fairly vocal, but not necessarily forcing things on the community. I can imagine the group showing opposition to playing Liberty, but not necessarily going to extremes to get the game cancelled.

Our country is so full of whiners who are hurt simply by the fact that people have different points of view. People need to grow the **** up.